spb350

I thought I would post some info here about a car I just picked up. Here is the Trim Tag. I have read here there were only 312 4 speed Jetstars built in 1964, anybody ever see a convert or know how many were made? Thanks

65B01Delta

Post some more pictures....

ent72olds

Kurt answered your question in the 4 spd B-body thread. I think he said 64 , but I will double check. 51....but I see you already saw that.....

Oldsmaniac

Some years ago there was a white conv 4spd J88 for sale on ROP site if I remember correctly...

spb350

OK so 51 made, anybody on here have one? I have a lot of questions.

Here is a few more pics.

I'm guessing the shifter is not correct because they enlarged the hole, which shifters will interchange with this? Pontiac Chevy? what years? Thanks

Oldsmaniac

It appears your 330 engine has been replaced for a 350, the shifter should be a Muncie shifter. The 64 thru 66 all used the same shifter (B Body). The style used is an Olds only piece, finding one will not be easy.

wmachine

I'll answer your question from the other thread "Any idea how many of those are accounted for?"
I keep a registry of sorts for B-body Oldsmobiles with 4-speeds. They could only be had in '64, '65, and '66. The list is pretty small. The white one that Joe mentions in the post above is the only other '64 convert that I know of. I guarantee you will look far and wide before you find another one.

Your shifter is not the OEM piece, I believe it is a aftermarket Hurst. Which actually makes sense from a functional standpoint because the original Muncie shifters that came with them (all years in the B-bodies) were crap. So it made sense to do the Hurst conversion. The original shifter did interchange with the other GM divisions, B and A bodies. I'd only go back to a Muncie shifter to maintain originality. For functional purposes, I'd keep a Hurst in there. Though the Muncie shifter is common enough, the shifter handle is an entirely different story. Extremely hard to find.

Oldsmaniac

Thanks for clearing that up Kurt. Its the shifter handle that is an Olds only piece. I did not make it clear in my post.

spb350

Does anybody have a pic of the original Muncie shifter/handle. Are there any numbers to help identify one?

spb350

Hmmmmm I was told it was the original engine. Here are the numbers off the pass side head W544088L . What do these indicate?

spb350

So what happened to the white 64 convert? Was it a restored car? Anybody have info or pics on it?

Oldsmaniac

Lots of pictures in the B body 4spd thread....

Oldsmaniac

Why do people believe everything the are told..... especially when it comes to cars. Get the head letter it makes it easier if the heads are original to block. Look to the left of #1 spark plug on head.

66400

Call Kim at 618-282-6560, he has one of the shifter handles from a 66 88 4spd car.

Henry

2blu442

Well, we need the casting numbers off your engine to help identify it. But there are a few things in the picture that aren't right if it were all original.

For starters the oil fill tube should have a push on cap not the quarter turn cap. Here's the oil fill tube on a 1965 330. These can be removed and may have been swapped with one from a newer engine.

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Your valve covers have the Oldsmobile stamped in them. Those were only used in 1973-74. These too can be easily changed.

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The keys will be the casting numbers. Here's the 1965 330 engine again. This number is between the water pump and intake manifold.

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And the head number that Oldsmaniac asked about should be a large number, 1 through 8 depending on what year the castings are from.

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If you would check these casting numbers and let us know what you find we can help you identify what is original and what has been changed. John

spb350

2blu442 thanks for the great info and pics. I still need to get the car home so I don't have access to all the info but I did take a few more pics of the motor. The front casting pic is a little blurry but it looks like it has a 9441? in it. Here is also a pic of the rear number by the dist. I did a little searching on the net and it looks like it could be a 66-67 330? There is a Carter 4 barrel carb in the trunk that has a copper tag on it, would that be a correct 64 carb?

joe_padavano

Yeah, that looks like a 66-67 block casting number. The oil fill tube is 1968-up. The t-stat housing is also a 1970-up unit. The original carb would have been a Rochester 4GC if the car was a 4bbl. Olds never used the Carter 4bbl from the factory.

spb350

I guess the motor is a Frankenstein. It has a fresh rebuild and does purr like a kitten though. The tranny is a 325 case so I know that is a 64-65, does anybody have info for that long tailshaft, the number is 334802.

Oldsmaniac

Power steering pump is not 64 vintage or thermostat housing. I also see a heater control valve and the car does not appear to have AC

spb350

I know the paint is Jade Mist and the interior is Jade vinyl but what color was the top? It seems like there should be another number or letter by the paint code. Could they be ordered with a Jade top? Anybody have some good pics of a 64 Jade Mist Jetstar?

spb350

I got the car home yesterday and did some clean up today. Here are some pics of the car and the parts that came with it.

3 perfect extra fenders and a front rechromed bumper

spb350

After I got the trunk cleaned out and rear floors

spb350

Wonderbar radio I'm not sure if its original or not can anybody tell by the sticker?

spb350

The driver side head has a 4 on it so are these 66-67 heads? I cannot find the dipstick or even the hole where it goes.

Yellowstatue

982250...'64 Olds

spb350

Cool. I think I will clean it up and see if i works.

spb350

This shifter popped up on Craigslist today and it looked really close to some pics I got of an original so I bought it. I'm hoping it's the right one, the guy said it was for a 65 Impala with a bench seat.There is some numbers on the body they are 41476A ? Does this look like a correct 64 shifter? Which linkage will work for this? Thanks

Oldsmaniac

The shifter body is correct but I think you will find the chrome handle is somewhat shorter than the correct one. Remember that the Olds handle is an Olds only piece so a Buick or Chevy or Pontiac one will not be the same. To use that shifter you need corresponding 4spd shifter arms for the Muncie trans and Muncie shifter. It prob would have been better to find one complete.

65B01Delta

X 2

spb350

Could someone with a correct shifter measure with a flexable tape and tell me what the length is from the top of the arm mount to the bottom of the ball ? Either inside the curve or outside. This one is 11 3/4 outside and 10 3/4 inside. Thanks

Oldsmaniac

Picts and I measure almost 18 inches outside from bottom of ball to bottom of mount.

spb350

Thanks Oldsmaniac.The one I bought was to short so the guy took it back. I'll keep looking, probably for the entire shifter with linkage.

Oldsmaniac

As a last resort a shifter handle could be fabricated as long as dimentions are known. I have done this before by bending some heavier steel tubing with a conduit bender and cutting a junk muncie shifter handle for the base and top, then brazing the parts together and having the thing chromed.

spb350

few more pics

Octania

a few thoughts:

It's quite the rare item, yessir

Couldn't you actually use "a" shifter handle even if it's not "the" shifter handle, and varies in length? Call it a "short throw" factory experimental performance piece. Good grief.

DANG CLEAN body, where are you, Texas or something? My parts car is fast becoming one with Mother Earth again. Might be able to supply interior pieces- dash, *****, switches.

My PN database says the radio is correct for '64 Olds

PS pump is 68+ style but with pre-68 flat pulley- would be surprised if that lines up correctly with the other pulleys. 3-groove pulleys from an AC car, presumably came with the engine or from a pile of parts, might be very mismatched.

Alternator top tensioner bracket is incorrect, easy fix. Looks like the tensioner arm from the AC system.

Block is a better place for the ground wire than the intake manifold.

#4 heads are 1967 issue. The W######L I believe indicates 330 "L"ow compression, as in 2-bbl motor originally. So, what intake casting ID do you have now? Large single number typically fwd of the carb, and/or 6-digit casting ID typically aft of the carb?

No Kickdown switch at the firewall makes that throttle linkage exceedingly rare.

I can't think of any model that used a head boltstud in the CENTER bottom location, so it looks like the heads have been off, maybe the engine rebuilt?

2-wire Temp Sensor means you probably have not only a HOT light but also a COLD light in the dash? I thought that was so clever the 1st time I saw it- "Easy on the engine, sir, it's not warmed up yet!"

Is that a sender for an oil pressure gage, not a light?

The plastic convoluted tubing is great wire protection but looks out of place on a '64. They sell wire wrap.

Am I the only one to notice that the driveshaft is barely in the trans?? I would not drive it like that.

I have the correct #1 headed 330 still in my parts car, but, it's Auto Trans of course. You can probably find a '64 330 near you though. 2-bbl 330's typically have a non-rubberized, no-outer-ring balancer on the crank, whereas the 4-bbl motors sport the more familiar Balancer with Harmonics Damper ring rubber-bonded to the balancer hub. Oh, and the '64 balancers have the timing mark on the RH side, and the timing tabs are made to suit- not at all like the 1965+ parts. Because of the OD diffs between 2-bbl and 4-bbl balancer/dampers, the timing tab also differs between '64 2-bbl and '64 4-bbl. With your setup, you may not be able to time the engine with the factory marks, because of your car's LH side lower radiator hose being where your engine's timing tab would want to be.

Dipstick [oil level indicator] should be on the LH side, near the fwd end of the starter. If you have no tube/ indicator, let's hope they at least plugged the hole. Might be able to see it from above. There should be a notch in the LH xst manifold in which the tube resides, more or less right above the corresponding entry hole in the block. Right about where your PS hoses enter the steering gear.

65B01Delta

Looks pretty clean. Not sure what you paid for it, but it's worth putting back original for sure.

2blu442

Nice project car! What's your plans for it? Do you want to clean it up for a nice driver, or do you want to try and make it as original as possible?


John

aliensatemybuick

An ergonomic, if not factory-appearing solution to your shifter problem (if you have one!) is a shift handle extension, see this auction for a Hurst shifter equipped with one:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hurst-Rebuil...8b13df&vxp=mtr

That combined with a shifter with the right bend would likely put the ****/handle exactly where is should be for comfort.

I had such an item on a 4 speed '65 Starfire that had a Hurst shifter; on that car, the **** ended up being in the PERFECT spot to bash my knuckles on the dash when shifting into 1st or 3rd. But on a '64, that might not be the case, esp. with a sharply curved shift handle.

Not sure if there were different lengths made; here's a vender selling something comparable:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/POLISHED-SHI...86c9e0&vxp=mtr

copper128

I see Chevy Astro van wheels on it. All early Astro's used the 5x5" bolt pattern. So, if this is actually a Jetstar 88 as it appears, it should have 5x4-3/4" hubs. Odd that someone would use an adapter to go to the big GM pattern, it's usually the other way around.

spb350

The car does have a great body. There is one dent in it and I can tell there was some work on the lower qtrs. I took a magnet when I went to buy it and I think its probably just a skim coat as it doesn't sound thick when I tap there. The car spent its entire life in CA and AZ according to the guy selling it for a deceased friend. I still have a copy of the Pink Slip and the black plates. I think all the sheet metal on the car is original, all the seams and gaps are perfect. The front lower rear fenders have a spot cut out on each but the rest of the fenders are excellent.

I had found out where the dipstick is supposed to be and its not there, no tube either. I can see the hole down thru the exahuast manifold.

The intake has a 2 up front and 380059 on the back.

I was wondering about the driveshaft too, I proabably need to drop it out to see how much is on the output shaft.