oldcutlass

I originally posted this question in a wtb classified, but instead I moved it to it's own thread so not to muck up his classified. I want to apologize to those who also posted interest in this question as when I was copying the threads somehow they disappeared.


I received a pm from a member with a question of worth and rarity of a 67 Turnpike Cruiser. I told him IMHO they were quite rare and really did not know how many there were. Also stated I believe they would be worth more than a Supreme Convertible, may be comparably priced to a 442 convertible and suggested he might consider 1 of those also. So I pose this question to those who have more knowledge in this model than I do, how many and what are they worth.


I know there were 10897 Convertible Supremes and out of those there were 3080 442's. I believe they were all grouped together in the 442 group.

66luvr

Could you clarify this part of the post?
"I know there were 10897 Convertible Supremes and out of those there were 3080 were 442's. I believe they were all grouped together in the 442 group".
Sounds like you say the 442's were all grouped with 442's. But it could be you are saying the TP Cruisers were grouped with 442's.
Also, wasn't the original question "How many TP Cruiser convertibles were produced?" Your post doesn't stipulate that.
I am interested because I have a TPC convertible, and as my signature says it is the only one I have seen or heard of, which means just what it says, what "I" have seen. Small fish in a huge pond, uh make that ocean.

Oldsmaniac

I cant find the post but I believe there are numbers on how many TC cars were produced but I am not sure if it states breakdown. With that being said, how many vert TC's survived out of the VERY few produced. 66luvr has a rare car and I have not seen another. If I were to guess I would say if there were 10 67 TC verts left that would be a lot.

Allan R

I don't believe you'll ever get an answer to the question. There are no records that I'm aware of for the Turnpike cruiser production numbers. The TPC was only offered for the CS lineup in 67 as the L66 option, so it's going to be a lower number than the total of CS coupes and verts produced.

Just on a practical note, I don't think that TPC production would have been that significant in an era of muscle. Gas was cheap and power was the name of the game. Economy on the highway? Not the biggest draw for the buck being spent. And the TPC with it's tall gears (2.41:1) was a bit of a slug on acceleration too.

oldcutlass

66Luvr, I want to apologize for your post getting deleted when I was copying it here. Yes, what I meant was there were 10,897 Cutlass Supreme Convertibles produced, out of those there were 3080 442's. In my reading this morning if I understood correctly, the TC's were counted in the 3080 number but I had not been able to find any info for the total number of TC's in my search.


Is your VIN ID code 2nd thru 5th digit the same as a 442 (3867)? I did find 1 other on the internet before I lost all the info of my original post transfer. Just can't seem to find it now, it was blue. One other adv for a white convertible, (might be the one you bought) on the net said that there may have been anywhere from 100-1000 TC's total.

Oldsmaniac

I believe when production began the rear ratio was 2.56. There was a road test and actually back in the day they said acceleration was good with the TC. I think too the standing start 1/4 mile was in the 16 second range, which wasnt bad for that gear and the 2bbl carb.

Diego

2,063 were built through June, so a month is missing in the total production. Info comes from the GM Heritage Center. This is for all three Cutlass Supreme two-door models.

However, I wouldn't price them anywhere close to a 4-4-2. Which would you rather spend money on, all things being equal?

oldcutlass

All the GM Heritage Center figures I found did not break it down. Can you post a link Diego?

Diego

The documents aren't online.

oldcutlass

Would you mind scanning and posting the document? As far as owning I don't know, the rarity of a TC with some of the options has actually perked my interest in my curiosity towards the collectability.

Diego

I'm not at liberty to post it - sorry.

66luvr

No apology necessary, no harm no foul.
My VIN is 3867 in the position mentioned.
BTW, I have the build sheet for my car, it was sort of checked out on here when I first bought it, it is what it is represented to be.


Thanks,
Mike

Allan R

Does the GM Heritage Center actually have documents for American sold or produced for America TC's? I was under the impression they only had documents for Canadian (export or cars produced in Canada).

oldcutlass

So there were 3080 convertible TC's and 442 convertibles, and Diego states that there were 2063 total TC's in all body styles for 11 months. Now we need to know how many were actually convertibles?

hurst68olds

The Turnpike Cruiser was an OPTION on the Cutlass Supreme.
The 442 was an OPTION on the Cutlass Supreme.


442 & TPC are mutually exclusive 442 numbers have little to nothing to do with TPC numbers.

hurst68olds

some quick numbers based on the "best" available to me

24,826 = total 1967 Cutlass Supremes w/L78 "442 Performance Package" 400 4bbl (NONE of these are Turnpike Cruisers)
4,751 = 19.1% (338077) Sport Coupes
16,998 = 68.5% (338177) Holiday Coupes
3,080 = 12.4% (338677) Holiday Convertibles

now I know this is TOTAL BS, but using the same percentages as 442 - and applying them to Turnpike Cruiser - production would be in the neighborhood of:

2,063 = total 1967 Cutlass Supremes w/L66 "Turnpike Cruiser Package" 400 2bbl (11 months)
394 = 19.1% (338077) Sport Coupes TOTAL BS
1,413 = 68.5% (338177) Holiday Coupes TOTAL BS
256 = 12.4% (338677) Holiday Convertibles TOTAL BS

Diego

It's a document with each option and how many were installed per series based on a percentage. You may be confusing things with GM of Canada, which has records of cars sold in Canada.

Koda

It's pretty bad of them not to allow that information to be shared.

However, I'll address the original post and the values question. This is gut feeling based off of owning a 67 442
and naturally being more interested in that year for a number of years now.

A restored 2 door 67 Cutlass hardtop is worth, roughly, 12k.
Convertible, I'd add 50%, so 18k.
I have never seen a restored 4 door 67 Cutlass.

A restored 67 442 hardtop or post car is worth, roughly, 20k.
Convertible, again, I would add 50%, so 30k.
Stick shifts, maybe 33%, so 26k for a hardtop stick, and 36k or so for
a convertible stick.

A turnpike cruiser is rare, but not necessarily desirable. 442s have much better
desirability and availability, and a person is not going to cruise cross country daily
in one, so the original point of the TC is gone.

I would view a TC as most people would, just a big block car with a tall rear end and a 2barrel.
I then view it as an optioned Cutlass convertible, figure the 400 is worth a couple grand, and I would say a
TC convertible restored is worth 20k, about the price of a restored 442 hardtop automatic.

Oldsmaniac

There have been a few threads here recently on the 67 TC, among others is this one.

https://classicoldsmobile.com/forums...upreme-tc.html

It was posted that only 2300 were produced.

Diego

Kurt has the same documents I have. He took liberty to round up based on the missing month.

Oldsmaniac

I would agree and a 442 would be a much more desireable car. The days of Turnpike=ing in a 67 Cutlass on a daily basis is gone. It is nice though to experience the ride and do some 75 plus cruising in the thing. It would also be great for the longer distance shows and events keeping the rpms down over the distance.

duramaxcruzer

Being trying to purchase this car for over 35 years.67 442 convertible documented GM Canada it has the K50 Climate combustion control option funny looking breather , wonder how many came on the 442 car is black on black yellow interior loaded with options