To the Guy Who Tried to Mug Me in Downtown Savannah night before last. Date: 2009-05-27, 1:43 A M EST. I was the guy wearing the black Burberry jacket that you demanded that I hand over, shortly after you pulled the knife on me and my girlfriend threatening our lifes. You also asked for my girlfriend's purse and earrings. I can only hope that you somehow come across this rather important message.

First, I'd like to apologize for your embarrassment, I didn't expect you to actually crap in your pants when I drew my pistol after you took my jacket. The evening was not that cold, and I was wearing the jacket for a reason. My girlfriend had just bought me that Kimber Model 1911 .45 A CP pistol for my birthday, and we had picked up a shoulder holster for it that very evening. Obviously you agree that it is a very intimidating weapon when pointed at your head ... isn't it! I know it probably wasn't fun walking back to wherever you'd come from with that brown sludge in your pants. I'm sure it was even worse walking bare footed since I made you leave your your shoes, cellphone, and wallet with me. [That prevented you from calling or running to your buddies to come help mug us again].

After I called your mother, or "Momma" as you had her listed in your cell, I explained the entire episode of what you'd done. Then I went and filled up my gas tank as well as four other people's in the gas station on your credit card. The guy with the big motor home took 150 gallons and was extremely grateful! I gave your shoes to a homeless guy outside Vinnie Van Go Go's, along with all the cash in your wallet. [That made his day!] I then threw your wallet into the big pink "pimp mobile" that was parked at the curb ... after I broke the windshield and side window and keyed the entire driver's side of the car.

Later, I called a bunch of phone sex numbers from your cell phone. Ma Bell just now shut down the line, although I only used the phone for a little over a day now, so what's going on with that? Earlier, I managed to get in two threatening phone calls to the DA's office and one to the FBI, while mentioning President Obama as my possible target. The FBI guy seemed really intense and we had a nice long chat (I guess while he traced your number etc.). In a way, perhaps I should apologize for not killing you ... but I feel this type of retribution is a far more appropriate punishment for your threatened crime. I wish you well as you try to sort through some of these rather immediate pressing issues, and can only hope that you have the opportunity to reflect upon, and perhaps reconsider the career path you've chosen to pursue in life.
Remember, next time you might not be so lucky. Have a good day!

Thoughtfully yours,
Alex
P.S. Remember this motto...An armed society makes for a more civil society!

 

That ad has been on the best of craigslist for some time now it great if that really happend but i think someone just has to much time on there hands!!

 

 

Two wrongs don't make a right. When he refuses the charges on the phone and the cards peoples rates go up. If this had happen the victim would have broken the law more than the assailant.

 

I would have just shot him in the leg and called 911.That is assuming I had a carry permit and the gun was legal.

 

i will never pull a gun on any body if i don't intend to kill them. so if someone sees me pull a gun, hope for the other person i don't pull the trigger.

 

So if someone tried to mug you and you had a gun then that person would die? What if it was a 15 year old kid? what if it was a female? I don't think that having a gun to protect yourself also should give anyone the right to be judge , jury and excecution squad.

 

Reads like every "Letters from our Readers" in Guns and Ammo. Kimbers are nice guns, though. I like their CDP Compact.

 

I would grab his knife and then give it back ...

Point first ...

 

I take her statement like this. IF she needs to pull a gun then she feels her life is in danger.
To me it wouldn't matter if the assailant was 15, 50, white, black or green. If you are going to threaten my life then guess what.....I'm going to take yours.
If whomever they are want to take the risk, and that's what it is, of mugging, robbing, attempted rape, whatever..........then they should be prepared for the consequences if the person is armed and knows how to defend themselves.

 

hummm..... some ting wong... I can't see how that would be real. I mean that is movie fodder for sure. its almost like someone took a scene out of a B movie that they were watching at 3 am after suffering from a bout of insomnia and posted it for fun to get a rise out of people.

i wonder if this is on Snopes.com...

John

 

I agree with your assessment John. I don't believe it actually happened.
I was just saying that if for some reason someone threatened me and I felt my life was in danger and I was armed...look out.

 

Honestly I wouldn't put it past someone either way real or not. However nearly every gun owner and concealed permit holder I know (I can count 4 permit holders and SEVERAL gun owners) quotes the same thing every time. "If I have to pull the gun out of the holster, I AM going to pull the trigger. Because by then I have determined my life is in danger and well... "

Then again these guys are military and a couple are trained and qualified. But ALL of them go to the range a couple times a month.

John

 

Who is the her you are refering to here? jensenracing77 might object.
If a couple of thugs walked up to you and asked you to part with your wallet and you had a gun then they would be dead. if a 12 year old pulled a knife on you you would put him in the morgue before he could drop the knife and run. The point is there are endless possabilities where you may feel threatened , I guess that's why there have to be some laws. if you had a gun then you should know how to use it and you should only have to kill someone only as a last or only resort.otherwise it would be like the old wild west when there was very little law except at the end of a barrel.

 

I guess I should know better but then again I keep forgetting you all wish it probably still like the old west , it would be safer than inner city these days. I still would not go for the kill shot unless somebody pulled a gun on me first. bringing a knife to a gun fight is pretty stupid and most muggers don't expect anybody to be carrying so if they turned and ran i would not try to kill them. Some would I guess

 

Going to betray my conservative to the core roots again... and weigh in here. If a person, regardless of color, age or sex has determined to do bodily harm to another...They had better be ready to face the consequences. Freedom comes at a price...accountability. True or not the guy got what he deserved. 12 or not, you don't pull a stunt like that and expect to get off lightly. Period.

 

If they have determined to do bodily harm then i would agree , but most muggers just want your wallet and if you threw it to them they would probably leave.

 

They threaten bodily harm, and are willing to commit it when they confront you. You are talking to a former steel hauler. I have spent more than my fair share of time in places like Chicago, Gary, Detroit, Youngstown, The Bronx and the like. I have seen what "children" are capable of and will not...ever take the chance that merely tossing my wallet to them will make it all go away. What about the young coed tomorrow who might be wearing a little something for her boyfriend? (being a conservative Christian I would prefer husband, but we are not talking about such stuff here) Did she really "Ask for it"? As stated before Accountability is the cost of freedom. If you aren't willing to face the consequences...don't do the crime...Period. There are NO excuses for such behavior, ever.

 

I lived in Detroit for 45 years,also known as the murder city, and 90% of the muggers are not going to just take your wallet and leave, and the 12 year old mugger with a knife is more dangerous than a 20 year, as the 12 year old is tring to impress the other gangbangers, and killing someone is nothing to them, plus with the legal system he is free in 6 yrs at the worst. And they know it. The 20 yr old you have a 50/50 chance that he just wants your money to get more crack.

 

I think the point here is that you don't know the muggers intent. If he or she says "give me your money or I'll (kill or stab) you", it is reasonable and justified for someone to defend themself. I understand it is better to be tried by 13 than carried by 8.

 

John I am ex-military and well trained on how to handle a weapon.


OK so "her" was the incorrect pronoun.

What I'm getting at is if I feel that my life is in danger I have the RIGHT to defend myself with all of my ability.

I have a short TRUE story for you involving a good friend of mine.
He was out with friends one night about 8 or 9 years ago in Chicago. He lived in a suburb in an apartment complex. Not a bad area (usually). He always took his pistol with him when he went into the city and thus had it on him when he got home.
He got out of his car right near the tennis court. There were 3 teenage kids inside just hanging around. This was at about 1:30 or 2:00 AM. After he locked his car they got in his way and demanded his wallet figuring he would be an easy target 3 on 1. He said OK and instead of his wallet his pulled out the pistol. They ran for their lives. No shots were fired and all was well.
Now had one of them had a knife I'm not so sure it would have ended up any different. It would have depended on how they reacted. He was prepared to shoot them if the need arose, but it didn't ad he just went in the house.

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Originally Posted by wolfman98

I guess I should know better but then again I keep forgetting you all wish it probably still like the old west , it would be safer than inner city these days. I still would not go for the kill shot unless somebody pulled a gun on me first. bringing a knife to a gun fight is pretty stupid and most muggers don't expect anybody to be carrying so if they turned and ran i would not try to kill them. Some would I guess

This is the truth. I wouldn't either. Shoot to disable first and foremost. If that fails then it's all over. You CAN NOT take age or gender into a situation where your life is in jeopardy. If you do then you're dead. Period.

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Originally Posted by csstrux

They threaten bodily harm, and are willing to commit it when they confront you. You are talking to a former steel hauler. I have spent more than my fair share of time in places like Chicago, Gary, Detroit, Youngstown, The Bronx and the like. I have seen what "children" are capable of and will not...ever take the chance that merely tossing my wallet to them will make it all go away. What about the young coed tomorrow who might be wearing a little something for her boyfriend? (being a conservative Christian I would prefer husband, but we are not talking about such stuff here) Did she really "Ask for it"? As stated before Accountability is the cost of freedom. If you aren't willing to face the consequences...don't do the crime...Period. There are NO excuses for such behavior, ever.

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Originally Posted by bcracing

I lived in Detroit for 45 years,also known as the murder city, and 90% of the muggers are not going to just take your wallet and leave, and the 12 year old mugger with a knife is more dangerous than a 20 year, as the 12 year old is tring to impress the other gangbangers, and killing someone is nothing to them, plus with the legal system he is free in 6 yrs at the worst. And they know it. The 20 yr old you have a 50/50 chance that he just wants your money to get more crack.

You two hit it on the head. Not only is that 12 year old trying to impress the gang bangers, but he is POSITIVE that he won't be tried as an adult because of his age. And in the majority of the cases this is true.

 

I have a concealed weapon permit. When I took the class several years ago, they taught you should first make an attempt to talk to the person, that you are probably going to get sued if you shoot them and that if you do have to shoot, shoot right for their midsection below their chest. Do not try to shoot them in the knee because you will probably miss and and also miss you opportunity to stop them. I carry a 9mm in one vehicle and a 40 cal in the other. I hope I never have to use them because it would be life altering experience. But if anybody ever trys to harm me or my family, they are going to lose. There have been several cases of carjackings in the Dallas/Fort Worth area where the victim would be alive today if they had been armed. I have my guns loaded with hollowpoint swat ammo. It will penetrate and engine block. What kind of chance do I have if I am approached by some stoned crackhead. If anybody thinks they can through their wallet down and the criminal will take it and leave you are wrong. First off if it doesn't have enough money in it they will just be PO'd and shoot you. Second, they don't want any witnesses. They have no value for human life. Most figure they only have a few years to live since anyway. If anybody thinks people with concealed weapon permits commit felonies, think again. Less than 2% of licensed carriers commit felonies.

 

I guess in part it is sometimes our perception of crime that guides our thinking. Rarely do we hear about the typical mugging just the ones that may involve violence. most people who get mugged do not carry a gun and in such cases the best thing to do is hand over your wallet or purse because if the offender is armed with a knife or gun the money is not worth your life. The person that was approached by the 3 teens and scared them with his gun did do the appropriate thing by just scaring them and not shooting when he had the chance. A gun is carried for one reason only and that is self protection and there are guidelines as far as defending yourself. It is too bad that crime has become so prevalent but I think it is driven a lot by the use of drugs. The one thing I don't agree with is the assessment that if you pull a gun only to shoot. The police pull their weapon all the time when going into a possible hostile situation only to be ready or show the person they are approaching that they are armed and ready. Lots of drugs and crime in the major cities and even up here I stay away from the city. i only go when I have to like tomorrow , but I do what I need to then I leave. When I was younger I used to spend time there going to the bars and clubs and stay with friends but today there is too much crime and violence for me.
Have any of you guys heard of a town in Texas I think where they have a bylaw that everyone has to own a gun?

 

let me rephrase. i will never pull the gun unless i am willing to kill someone. i will never pull the trigger unless i intend to kill someone. i don't shoot to wound, only to kill. if someone mugs me i may pull the gun but that is most of the time enough to do the job. if it is not then yes they will be dead, even if it is a girl or kid. i worded that incorrect on my last post.

 

So if your first shot doesn't kill them you would shoot again , since it is your intention to kill them if you pull the trigger?

 

Wolfman98, I think that is a rumor about the town in Texas. I have lived here 30 years and have never heard of it. I don't think that would pass muster with the constitution. Every town has some felons living in it and they would not be able to get a permit.

 

that is why it is best to shoot 3 times with no pause. after the pause it is a different ball game. if they are still alive and they are no threat then no, i would not shoot again. unfortunately if they live there are two stories. a girl was on trial some time ago for shooting the subject 12 times. when the judge ask her why she shot that many times she said because there were no more rounds left. the judge let her go.

God forbid i ever find myself in the situation but if i do i will protect myself and my family, and hopefully there will only be one story in the end.

 

Actually the town is Kennesaw Ga and they have only had one murder in about 20 years I think and that was transients at a pay weekly hotel. and yes it is a law.

 

let me rephrase this also, my intent is to kill if i pull the trigger. if i am unsuccessful, it don't change the fact that i intended to kill them. if they are still alive and are no threat then at that point, it would be murder to shoot again. at that point i would call 911 to get the guy help.

 

This is exactly what we shouldn't discuss here, but, you make a statement without data to back it up! Have you done this research? Who interviews these muggers? "Probably leave" is not the kind of odds I feel comfortable with! What if you had your wife and little children with you? Do you take a chance and gamble with odds then? A female mugger shouldn't make a difference, a 15 year old mugger shouldn't make a difference! If they pull a knife, they are inferring, "don't resist or I will hurt or kill you!" Even if they don't physically say it!

 

In my opinion the so called hero here is as much a criminal as the crook with the knife. Not for pulling the gun, but for using the credit card and taking the wallet.

 

I agree with this statement. Maybe taking it to the police and turning the guy in would have been a better route.

But Now that I realise that Wolf is on Canada I can see where his ideas are coming from. Gun ownership up there is not what it is in the states and they have a different philosophy about them.
I obviously don't agree with that view. Personal protection is a must in this world we live in. There are bad people out there that are hell bent on hurting other people and we (all the other people in the world) have to be prepared for them, whatever we have to do.
Such a large majority of LEGAL gun owners do not use them for illegal acts that it is ridiculous to think that they need to be taken out of their hands.
It's those that have them and should not that are the problem. Those are the ones that we need to protect ourselves from.
And using a gun as a show of force is the primary intent, not to kill or maim. If I can protect myself without firing a shot then great. That is the desired outcome. But if the perpetrator keeps coming....that's a whole nother story.

 

Yes we do have much stricter gun laws but it mostly is for hand guns and not so much hunting rifles.You can still buy a hand gun but there is a waiting period while they check out your background and it is almost impossible to get a carry permit. they don't really feel that average people need to have concealed weapons. myself i own 4 guns , 2 rifles and 2 hand guns but I keep the guns and ammo in different places and locked up . Two guns i got from my dad when he passed away , one I have had since I was 13 and the other I got a few years ago from a buddy. I have not hunted for many years now so I have been thinking of selling one of the rifles and one of the hand guns. I have not even fired any of them for at least 5 years but I clean them and keep them oiled so they will work as they should. The government here has a gun registration law but it is something they can't force you to do although you need your orange card to buy ammo . ( firearm safety card ) A course you have to take from Dept. of natural resources. You are right in that it is not usually the hunters or resposible gun owners that are the problem but the criminal who seems able to buy guns on the street or even at a few bad gun shops who only care about how many they sell and not who they sell to. I doubt if that law in the town in GA would work in a large metro area as there will always be crime , would be interesting to see a comparison before and after.

 

I carry a pump shot gun in my motor home when I travel. Its legal in all states. I feel that racking a round would scare most people away. If needed I don't have to worry about aiming so much. I have several rifles, shotguns, and pistols. Maybe I'll have my wife bury me in my 57 with my guns in the trunk so when I reach hell I can fight back

 

 

I still remember THAT sound...Scary as hell and I was one of the ones on the administrative end of it. Hope I never end up on the business end of one. I used to seriously consider getting one and carrying it when I was on the road as truck drivers tend to be targets for violence, but never did. weapons are illegal in commercial vehicles, though a friend of mine carried a guage in the bunk and a 45 next to him at all times. Only got "jacked" once and not for much. But the thought of what may have been lingers.

 

That reminds me of when I moved from Saskatchewan to here. I rented a ryder truck with a car trailer , packed the truck so that my couch was at the very front as there was a little door from the cab back into the box. I figured I could save on renting rooms by sleeping on the couch in the box.I also planned on taking the shortest route which meant going through the U.S. so I put a .22 rifle under the couch. my first stop was at one of those roadside pull offs that have bathroom and picnic tables etc. it was late so I just crawled into the back and went to sleep. I was awoken at 6 am to the truck rocking back and forth and could hear someone walking around the truck. Not knowing what to expect I reached under the couch and grabbed the rifle then opened the little door into the cab and jumped out into the driver's seat with the rifle up in front of me where it could easily be seen. just then the guy walked past the cab and looked over to see me there. never seen eyes so big he walked really quickly over to his car where his wife or girlfriend was and hustled her into the car then sped out of there. Of course he didn't know the gun was not loaded but he did get the point. he must of thought the truck was abandoned since he could not see anyone in the cab. It was locked and there was a padlock on the back door of the box. the car on the trailer was also locked but he was checking to see if he could get the padlock undone and that's what woke me up. I can only imagine his suprise when he saw me in the cab