Renewal notice for my state-issued concealed carry permit came in today's mail. So that means a trip to the county courthouse, which is in the throes of a remodel so that should be an adventure.🙄

Wondering how many here have a CC permit? Had anyone suggested ten years ago that I would routinely go armed I'd have laughed. But times being what they are and with lunatics everywhere, I now believe one must have a means of self-defense on his/her person. I don't intend to be a victim.

I also don't understand the mindset to wait for the law to arrive and handle the problem. That might work in an urban area but I live in a large (~1000 square miles) mostly rural county. I figure there are at most four deputies on duty overnight, and if some lowlife tries to come in on me in the middle of the night and the closest LEO is on the other side of the county, it will take LE 45 minutes to get here. Again, I don't intend to be a victim.

 

In Az it is easy to renew.just send in form and money order.

 

If the majority of the country would carry we would have far less crime

 

i carry routinely myself for the same reasons as stated above. NY has some of the most assinine gun laws out there! I try to follow all the rules and regs but honestly its hard to keep up.sooner or later all of us gun owners will be lawbreakers wether we know it or not.

 

I recently renewed mine for another 5 years. It requires class time and time on the range. The State charges $62.50 for seniors. Then there is the cost of the instructor and the range. LA has full reciprocity with 24 states, reciprocity with some restrictions with 13 states, and no reciprocity with 12 states. I don't normally carry as I live in a low crime area, but I want to be legal if I "must" go somewhere where the lowlife is running wild. A nationwide carry permit would be nice, but unlikely due to different attitudes in the different states.

 

I'm sorry about the previous attachment. Here is the reciprocity map.

 

Oklahoma is a constitutional carry state, can be concealed or open. I don't understand why anyone would want to open carry, it just makes you a priority target.

 

It is Better to be Safe than Sorry. Renewal in my County is easy, also. Even more so this past year due to COVID - mail in a check. Normally the local Sherriff/Deputy wants to see you to accept your payment.

"Colorado," per-se, is Open Carry. But certain jurisdictions forbid it. I regularly see open carriers in my town, though the Karen's freak out.

 

I just renewed mine in Texas. Just send in the money. You used to have to qualify on the range but no more I guess. I have had my permit several years so maybe that is why I didn't have to qualify. I don't always have a weapon on my person but I have a 45 caliber Glock in the console and Kimber Micro 9 I can put in my pocket if I feel the need.

 

Indiana has lifetime permits. Woo hah.

I want open carry legal so I don't get arrested for printing or accidentally revealing, or "brandishing." Also, I've carried loaded, but not chambered, long guns in cases to places before, and that's illegal in a non-open carry state as a case is not concealment. Granted, throwing a rifle over your shoulder and walking down a hotel hallway is a little gauche, and the only place I knew where it was encouraged is the dearly departed Rock Castle Shooting Center (hotel included).

 

I have trouble understanding that too. A firearm is a tool like any other. Handle it properly and it will function properly. Use it properly and it will ward off trouble.

I'm not what the Karens call a gun freak. I have a pistol, varmint rifle, and my dad's and grandpa's shotguns. 3 of which don't fit the definition of concealed carry!😄

I think the biggest thing with firearms is people fear what they don't understand or more to point what they're TAUGHT to fear.

I have a neighbor in her early 70s who took a CC class for defense and then found she enjoyed target shooting. Then after spending the money for the class and a pretty little .32 revolver, she went back into "guns bad" mode and never applied for her CC. I hope for her safety she never finds herself in a situation.

 

I'll bet there wasn't any of the victims that had any kind of firearm on their person besides the unfortunate policeman. And he should have known better than to go into a hot area without backup. I have had a carry permit ever since Texas made it legal, and I am usually armed 24/7.

 

X2 Texas is easily. CC a snub nose Chiappa Rhino .357 mag. Interesting way it shoots from bottom of revolver cylinder. Fully controllable, even my daughter shoots it like Anne Oatley. 3,000 rounds, never any problems.

 

I often have a firearm in what ever car I'm in, always when I'm on a trip or out of town. Being from California I don't have a CC and I have been searched and not found, you gotta be creative or just lucky. My rule of thumb is don't do stupid or suspicious acts and it only comes out when it is needs to be fired. oh ya check it every so often and make sure the damn thing will still go off.... Tedd

 

The Supreme Court is considering hearing 2 cases concerning the 2nd Amendment. One case is from NY regarding the ultra strict conceal/carry license requirements for handguns. The other case is also firearm related. The Justices will possibly make their decision on Friday. If they agree - these cases will be placed on their calendar and heard possibly at the end of the year - but probably not until next year.

If they agree to hear the 2 cases it will be significant for gun owners - and future gun owners. And the right to carry a firearm. The Court will likely give further clarification on The Right to Bear Arms. Considering the shift in the Courts recent appointments it’s possible that a landmark decision will be made.

 

That's another thing. Gun club dues or range time can be a "luxury" for a retiree! One of my cousins has a small range set up behind his place so at least I can go down there to practice. Closest indoor range is over an hour away. The "guns bad" crowd thwarted a special use permit for one to be built in a nearby town, screeching it would attract gang members and hoodlums. Like a gangbanger thug is going to do things on the up-and-up in the first place.

 

While we're on it, what's yer preference? I like revolvers and pretty much stick with those even though they're tougher to conceal. Currently have a Rossi .38 Special.

When I shoot a semi I always end up with my hand tore up from the slide, and the last S&W I owned had the longest pull I ever experienced. Buddy called it a spray gun because between time you aimed and time it fired, you were often no longer accurately aimed and the shot went everywhere.

 

Criminals need to start obeying the law!

 

The only reason a thig would go to a range is to steal a gun

 

For magnum cartridges, I prefer revolvers, and generally trend to Colt, S&W and Ruger.

For centerfire non magnum cartridges, I don't really care for any American autoloading pistol other than the 1911. I do like my foreign guns, H&K, FNH, CZ, Walther.

For 22 rimfire, I like Ruger's products, and High Standard.

 

lol dont get to excited I used to have the lifetime permit in mass, i guess the lifetime is about when mass feels they should be generating a little more revenue....

 

You don't need a CC permit if someone breaks in.
"Open carry" is for idiots. It makes you the immediate target of a"bad guy", because he has looked over the place and people before you knew he was there.
I DO believe that people should qualify with the firearm they will be carrying. The reason is: I saw a couple that was going to buy a 9MM at the range trying to qualify with a .22 semi-automatic. They were shooting when I walked in and they were still trying when I left. I DON'T want someone that can't shoot accurately to be carrying a firearm. They pose a greater danger to everyone.
I have qualified with S&W model 29 (.44 Magnum) and model 27 (.357 Magnum). Recently, I have also qualified in recent years with S&W model 22-1 semi-automatic (.22 LR) and Sig-Sauer P220 (.45 ACP) semi-automatic.
Revolvers don't jam and are not fussy about bullet nose shape. Semi-automatics have more rounds and reload faster with extra clips. Its more a matter of placing a round, not about how much lead you can throw.
I have lived in the "Saturday Night Special" era and the previous firearms ban.

 

I’m not a gun enthusiast, but I do own a couple. I have enough expensive hobbies as is!!!

I personally don’t believe gun laws make a damn bit of sense. The people who have guns illegally don’t care about the laws, the responsible ones you don’t know about until the gun is needed. The only “law” that is realistic is not to point the gun at anything you don’t intend to destroy. That’s just common sense, unfortunately something severely lacking in today’s society.

Gun ownership is a “right”, but not a requirement. If you feel your not able to use it responsibly, you shouldn’t have one. If your not mentally (or physically) capable of handling one, then absolutely no way should someone be allowed to own one! Someone else’s rights end where mine begin. While I respect someone’s right to own a gun, if their mental or physical capacity infringes on my right to continue breathing, (without just cause) their rights stop there!!

I suppose the type of gun ownership allowed is a gray area. Who am I to say what kind of gun anyone should be allowed to own? The same people who enjoy the kinds of weapons that freak out the general public might wonder why I need a car that will go faster than any speed limit? Or a truck and the aforementioned car? Or a hot rod, truck, and daily driver? More than one TV? Or religiously watch more than one “reality” tv show? (Ok, that one makes perfect sense! &#128526

Im not saying anything that anybody hasn’t heard countless times before. Mass shooting have been going on for decades, unfortunately this is nothing new. I can’t help but wonder the if media has made it seem much worse than it really is. Every statistic I have seen says violent crime is at a lower level than at any other time in history. (Depressing thought!)

Until society can figure out how to deal with disagreements or the kinds of everyday misfortune that 99.99% of the world deal with WITHOUT needing a gun to resolve, these shootings aren’t going to stop. Just a unpleasant fact of life.

 

I am a DEM who owns several military rifle and handguns. I love my county, many in my family went to war for this nation, I believe in God! I be leave in law and order. I believe all Americans have a rights and should have justice.

But maybe stop the crazy, mentality insane people from being able to buy guns??

 

The problem is society has changed so much. Firearm training used to be a part of our culture. Parents taught, kids learned. Now there aren't any parents to teach

 

There aren't fathers to teach

 

As population numbers increase, we have more potential for a single mentally unstable individual to be born each day. Laws and moral fiber only work on sane, stable law abiding citizens. My biggest fear is a criminal breaking in and stealing firearms.

 

Mass Concealed Carry Requires No Felony, local chief of police to approve (with one time training) then the State Police Approve, then give your finger prints and pay $100 for a 6 year card that requires you to re-apply after 6 years. Mass has ONLY Concealed Carry BUT Next door NH requires OPEN carry with NO Permit unless you apply for a concealed carry every 6 years for $100 ...

Read This - just crazy - sorry I can't fix the format thing ...

Where in God's name do idiots like this come from? They come from California plus they lack a common sense gone ?In Texas, State Representative Terry Meza (D-Irving) has introduced HB196. Her bill would repeal the state's "castle doctrine." This doctrine allows a homeowner to use deadly force against an armed intruder who breaks into his home.



Now listen to what she has to say...


"I'm not saying that stealing is okay," Meza explained. "All I'm saying is that it doesn't warrant a death penalty. Thieves only carry weapons for self-protection and to provide the householder an incentive to cooperate. They just want to get their loot and get away. When the resident tries to resist is when people get hurt. If only one side is armed fewer people will be killed."


Meza was quick to reassure that her bill "would not totally prevent homeowners from defending themselves.


Under the new law the homeowner's obligation is to flee the home at the first sign of intrusion. If fleeing is not possible he must cooperate with the intruder. But if violence breaks out it is the homeowner's responsibility to make sure no one gets hurt. The best way to achieve this is to use the minimum non-lethal force possible because intruders will be able to sue for any injuries they receive at the hands of the homeowner."


"In most instances the thief needs the money more than the homeowner does," Meza reasoned. "The homeowner's insurance will reimburse his losses. On balance, the transfer of property is likely to lead to a more equitable distribution of wealth. If my bill can help make this transfer a peaceful one so much the better."
https://www.weapon-blog.com/2020/12/texas-hb196

 

Same here in AZ, no CCW required for either type of carry.

 

Agreed 100%. But the first thing you have to do is convince powers that be and advocates for the mentally ill that such steps are necessary. Mental healthcare budgets are often on the chopping block and advocates don't want anything that might stigmatize mental illness. In the meantime innocents have to deal with the fallout when a mentally ill individual snaps, which forces sane and stable people to pack heat.

I hope I never have to use a firearm in defense, but after living in a city that consistently had either the highest or second highest murder rate in the state because its police chief was in denial about the gang presence in the city, if I'm threatened, I was taught to stop the threat.

 

Pretty obvious that Texas SR has never found herself in a threatening situation. Screw equitable distribution. I worked too hard and put up with too much **** for what little I have, to let some lowlife take it from me.

 

Matt pretty much made the point that I am here to make -- gun laws are pretty much worthless as written / enforced. The current laws, specifically regarding background checks, just need to be tougher. The Boulder shooter had all the warning signs, yet was able to legally purchase a gun. His family and people he went to high school with all said that they were concerned about his behavior.

I will give a small portion of the open carry folks a pass. There are certain times or conditions that lead to open carry. Maybe the person can't afford the money and time to get their concealed permit, or maybe they were out and about doing something somewhere that concealed carry was inconvenient (say, out in the back country riding horses or atvs). Open carrying a long gun, though, is almost always a bad look.

 

My only issue with CC is the people who think they are supposed pull and fire their gun in non-lethal situations. We get quite a few carriers who fire the weapon over mistaken road incidents or petty theft from stores. Then they go to jail for 4 years for putting a couple rounds into the wrong persons vehicle.

 

My CC permit instructor In South Padre Island, TX was very good and thorough! Spent a lot of time on do and do nots. Including handling of different situations.

 

More guns, less crime. An analogy would be if you knew that most everyone at a particular place were trained in various martial arts. Even if you yourself have fight training, are you more or less likely to mess with anyone?

 

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"In most instances the thief needs the money more than the homeowner does," /QUOTE]

Did she say for what? Drugs?

In my life I've heard/read a good deal of stupid $hit politicians have said, But this moron has finally beat Guan tipping over

 

When i was in high school we had a rifle club.
We would carry our cased 22's to the bus stop and on to school into our lockers.
No more

Who voted for all these **** heads??

 

I went to summer camp a couple in my youth, my favorite activities were riflery and archery!

 

My local school district still offers rifle and archery classes, Im glad they do. These kids have a good understanding of firearms safety. We dont get any accidental shoots around here.

Im a firm believer that a shotgun is good home defense

 

"Quite a few?" This is plain scary, and unheard of in my state. I know of, and have heard of, exactly ZERO CHP holders who behave in the manner you describe. Please cite cases of actual CCW/CHP holders who have behaved in this manner. I need to be enlightened as to what states to stay out of.