fast.

There is a picture of the lady who owns the car here so you guys (and gals) know that there really is a lady who is selling it. :-) Anyway, I sure wish I had the money because I would buy this car if I could. One owner, original paint and everything is there. Nice car, even nicer after resto!

 

What a great story! And what a doubter I was. Best of luck to whomever winds up with it!!!!!!!

 

Do not feel bad, I tought the same thing you did and that is why we had to take the ride down to see it but It is still true that there are a lot of cars still out there with original owners that are getting older and having to sell them.
But in the same token there is a lot of scammers out there so you have to watch out.
This is the real deal.

 

Has she decided how/where she is going to try to sell it? With that kind of documentation, the next owner/restorer will have a great car.

 

god bless her for holding to it this long and to the service her husband gave to us ,so we can enjoy our freedom.it is good to hear a postive story .thanks dave

 

I love it when a story has a happy ending

Just out of curiosity, did anyone look inside the door jams for gold over spray from the striping?

 

I hope whoever buys that car does NOT restore it! Remarkable story, remarkable car.

 

Willidog, I disagree with you 100% when you say it will be "even nicer after resto". What's the point of having an "unmolested original" car if all you're going to do is restore it? And thus make it just like every other restored car? Jamesbo is right; "you are only an"origional survivor" once. You can be frame off restored as many times as affordable"
I'll take less than perfect original over perfect restored any day of the week. I don't why "we" continue to destroy originality in favor of restorations. Almost all other antiques are *not* valued more when they are restored.

 

What I meant was that I would fix the fenders that are being eaten by rust and I would redplace the suspension including frame mount bushings (which are tired after 40 years.) I sure wouldn't let it continue to deteriorate.

 

When she had her baby, did she have a code 930 [black] car seat and if so did it have a gold stripe on the head rest.

 

Dont you think if someone places a car on the "cars for sale" section that it would be for sale? I sent a friend from Cleveland to look at the car & as he drove up he saw 20 other people standing there. He was not very happy since he spoke with the guy and set up a time and place to look at the car himself & didn't expect all those guys to be there. So he just kept driving. He went out there with the intention to make a purchase, not just to tire kick. The guy told him that the lady just wanted to see what the car was worth and is not selling it right now. I have a wanted ad on this site and was very serious. I respect the cars originality but this car deserves a full frame off, nut & bolt restoration. That was my intention anyway. Oh well...

 

I dont know who your friend saw. The only people who showed up were the 2 guys who posted in this forum that they were coming down to see the car. Neither of them were there to buy the car but to help me find out what it might be worth so my friend gets a fair price. Thats it. 2 people came and took pics and posted what they saw on this forum.
While we were waiting for your friend to come see the car there was a guy dropping off mail who parked his very nice restored chevy next to us and he looked at the car. There was also an older Asian man going to the post office who stopped to see the car and to talk about his first American car. Thats it. Everywhere she takes this car people stop to look at it. We were suprised that your friend never showed, but assumed that driving to Bonita was to far out of his way. The appointment was to see him. We waited an hour after the appointment time then left.
Again, thank you all for your help and if anyone has helpfull advice for us we would appreciate it.

 

Personally I would have it appraised. There are plenty of classic auto appraisers out there that would give a good value on an unmolested car like this. You might want to tell your friend to get some type of insurance on this thing before anything happens to it, out driving around your simple full coverage is not enough you need collectors insurance, full coverage won't give you a good price for this thing if anything were to happen. I think this is a great story and a beautiful car but your friend needs to get figures in writing from an official appraiser to get a good value. My guess would be at least 60k if not more with documented paper work which it looks like she has. Ebay would not do this thing justice, I would think Barret Jackson or a professional classic car auction service if that was the way she wants to go. Again beautiful car and good luck getting a good price.

 

I must have been at a different place cause I didn't see twenty guys, just two.

 

IMHO Seems like there was some mis communication, but selling442 made it very clear to me that the lady was "thinking" about selling the 69 H/O.

I would think it would be fairly obvious that after holding on to her [and her late husband's] car for almost 40 years that she has an attachment to the car [as well she should]

If I had gone from Cleveland to San Diego, I would have looked at the car if there had been 1000 people in the parking lot.

 

gmans442, nothing personal, but I disagree totally with you here, and I'm glad you're not getting the car. Like anyone, if you do buy the car, you have the right to do anything you want with it, including drive it off a cliff. I don't see how you can say you respect the originality of the car when you would destroy it (the originality) if you had your way.
I think the car *and* the true Oldsmobile enthusiasts that care about true *preservation* deserve to have the car protected *against* a nut & bolt restoration.

 

No comment one way or the other BUT. I viewed the pictures and the woman looks like my best buddies wife, my age, MY AGE.......OLD LADY?????

I must be getting old then.

 

I think this woman is very fortunate that a couple of knowledgeable Olds guys "scared off" your friend. I have no doubt that had he had a private audience with her, he would have given her "the treatment". You know..."the car has a lot of problems, isn't really worth all that much, isn't what I'm really looking for, is gonna cost me a lot of money to restore, but hey you look like a nice lady so let me do you a favor and take it off your hands" bit.

She is fortunate too, I think, that her friend was kind enough to make inquiries on the net on her behalf..."running interference" as it were, so as not to expose her to people ranging from those who would proclaim that the car doesn't really exist to those who would grouse about not having a private audience with it when promised no such thing. If she does actively market the car, I hope she continues to be protected from the worst "car guys" have to offer. And I hope she gets as much money as she can for that car. Hopefully from someone who isn't easily amused by shiney things will appreciate it for what it is.

 

Ya Dern Tooten!

 

Lots of response on this thread! Great!

 

To all,

1. Willidog and I went to see if the car really existed and that was proven to be so.

2. gmans442 We do not care if your friend did not stop to buy the car, if he was serious he would have stoped even if there were 1000 people like stated before, if he had intentions of being a SHARK and try to buy this ladies car for peanuts I am glad we were there to thwart both of yours plans, we gave her an OPINION of what the car was worth and told her to hold on to her guns and not give the car away, this is the real thing and should go to people who know what it's worth and do not go to a Flipper so you can get your retirement set. 1 of the reasons she is selling the car is because her daily driver (Ford Taurus) it's on it's last legs and she wants to buy what will possibly be her last car. So my friend I rather see her get the money for her retirement than YOU SIR!

3. I would like to see the car stay a survivor and just fix the rust and dents, bumpers, buff the paint and make it a really good roadworthy car, as for a full resto? it would be for those who like trailer queens or Garage museum cars. I like driving my cars the way they were meant to.

4. She will sell the car if the some1 gives her what she is confortable with.
If she was giving it away either Willidog or myself would have bought it,
Or Tim who is helping her sell it would have gotten the sole chance to buy it 1st , he said so himself.

Jamesbo look at the pics again the gold stripe is on the headrest, I did not check for over spray but the all the stripes seem to me to be legit since they were crudely done (at least it seem to me) like they were done at Hurst and not OLDS.

 

wow.. nice. And I'm also glad some scammer got scared away by the presence of some honest Olds lovers. Hell, he'd most likely try to deduct the shipping charges from the "more than fair price"..

God Bless America and our troops both past and present.

 

"Jamesbo look at the pics again the gold stripe is on the headrest, I did not check for over spray but the all the stripes seem to me to be legit since they were crudely done (at least it seem to me) like they were done at Hurst and not OLDS. "

This was spose to be a joke I was trying to ask if her child's car seat was black with a gold stripe.

Bye the bye, the striping wasn't done at Hurst, it was done at Demmer.

But I'm glad you got to see a really rare unmolested 69 H/O survivor.

 

The guy said that she was selling the car, I think everybody has been taken on a wild goose chase. If you're looking for advice just ask. Free appraisals are worth just about what you pay for them.

Allan

 

Not me I enjoyed seeing this unmolested survivor inside out, rarely you get to see them like this anylonger, original owner and all.

 

I would have loved to have seen it myself. Or any 69 H/O for that matter. 1969 was a great year for cars. (especially Oldsmobiles)

 

Just out of curiosity what is something like that actually worth?

 

It's worth what anybody will pay for it. Or CAN pay for it in these times. You watch Barrett-Jackson? 2 guys with big egos can force a price for a vehicle to ridiculous heights, inflating the price for anybody else who happens to own one.

A fully super-duper-don't-breathe-within-10-feet-of-it-restored '69 H/O sold at Barrett-Jackson this winter for I believe $125,000. Doubt it would have hit that mark at a Mecum or Kruse auction. An all-original one like this with a great back story...heck. I've watched the auction pages in Hemmings Muscle Machines and I would have to say $30 grand would not be out of line. This is a very rare and desirable car. Sounds like a solid #3 from the above descriptions.

Great story. I've enjoyed everybody's input on this.

 

IMHO I would think that would be low.

 

I'm not claiming to be an expert here, but I do know 1 set of auction results fairly well. There was a true, well documented 69 H/O sold at Branson in their fall 2007 auction. Fewer than 10K miles. The proverbial little old widows car--part of a collection of 7 or 9 of varying years that she had and that were all sold at the same time. All matching numbers. It had a couple small body dents and a few dings. At least a portion of the passenger quarter had been resprayed at one point, with overspray visible on the trim around the rear glass. There was no rust visible. The underside looked great--may have been undercoated when new. The bumpers had a few dings. The interior was great for age. It sold for 73K or 74K, plus buyers premium...

That was a totally different market though.

 

Either way its WAY out of my range. Thanks for the info.

 

THE RUST WAS NOT ORIGINAL WHAT GORDO MEANT ABOUT ORIGINALITY WAS THAT EVERYTHING IS THERE TO DO A PROPER RESTORATION.. AND TO THE GUY WITH THE COMMENT ABOUT RETIREMENT GORDON HAD AN H/O THAT HE SOLD BECAUSE HIS FAMILY WAS IN A TOUGH SPOT AND HE WAS AND IS STILL TAKING CARE OF HIS PARENTS AND REGRETTABLY HAD TO LET IT GO. HE NOW IS IN A POSITION TO BUY ANOTHER SO YOUR BS ABOUT HIM FLIPPING IT IS EXACTLY THAT B.S.!! WHY DON'T YOU GUY'S LOOK AT WHAT THE RESTORED H/O WENT FOR AT BJ IN VEGAS THIS YEAR.. WHAT ONE WENT FOR A COULPE YEARS AGO IS IRRELEVANT IN TODAY'S MARKET!! I THINK YOUR GOING TO BE DISSAPOINTED WITH WHAT THIS CAR IS REALLY WORTH IN THE REAL WORLD. I WOULDA STAYED AND LOOKED AT THE CAR TOO UNTIL THE GUY TOLD ME IT WAS'NT REALLY FOR SALE THEN I WOULD GLANCED IT OVER AND HIT THE ROAD TOO

 

Maybe you should let Gordo (who I have to presume is gmans442) speak for himself. He said "nut & bolt restoration" and that is what I objected to. And if that is what *you* think is a "proper restoration", then I obviously object to that too!
I really don't care what the car is worth. I care about preserving Oldsmobiles that should be preserved. And that is *not* done with a nut and bolt restoration.

 

DUDE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO YELL!!!!!!

 

 

Everyone might want to take a deep breath, sit back and let the lady do whatever it is she wants to do with the car. Keep it, sell it, put it in a museum, rent it out, use it as a front lawn ornament... whatever.

IMHO it may be best if this thread fades off into cyber oblivion.

 

Totally Agree!

 

Not me, I can read this stuff forever! It was interesting to see the story of the car undfold, as well as the different views expressed over the car (including those that differ from mine). Its fascinating to see how different people's minds work (the gears in mine turn counter-clockwise, by the way).

 

RUST NEVER SLEEPS... WMACHINE PRESERVATION THROUGH RESTORATION.. FROM WHAT I'VE READ THIS THING HAS ALREADY BEEN TOUCHED UP. SO WHY JUST STOP THERE ??? THIS LADY WILL MAKE SOME MONEY ON THE CAR IF SHE DECIDES TO SELL. AND WE ALL KNOW WHAT OPINIONS ARE LIKE RIGHT. I BELEIVE G HAS SPOKEN HIS PIECE I'M JUST GIVING YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND BEFORE YOU START CALLING SOMEONE A FLIPPER WHO YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT.. THIS REMINDS ME OF A BLACK W CAR THAT WENT TO THE NATS TRIED TO GET IN THE UNRESTORED CLASS BUT DUE TO TOO MANY REPAIRS AND REPLACEMENTS WAS UNABLE TO BE JUDGED DO YOU CONTINUE TO LET THE CAR RUST TO PIECES OR DO YOU START A RESTORATION? PERSONALLY IMHO HE SHOULD START RESTORING IT BUT IN THE END ITS HIS CAR AND HE CAN DO WHAT HE WANTS.. SORRY ABOUT ALL THE YELLING JOKER JUST TOO GD LAZY TO TAKE THE CAPS OFF

 

Dude. Why do you keep YELLING?