Rusty but Real Rallye 350 NOT MINE
April 16th, 2015, 07:08 AM
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Rusty but Real Rallye 350 NOT MINE
NOT MINE, E TX
336870M290765
http://easttexas.craigslist.org/cto/4974888769.html
This is a real Cutlass Ralley 350. This Oldsmobile was a true muscle, classic car and it's day. It is in terrible condition now. What is good: Car frame, 12 bolt rear end(do not know the ratio) boxed trailing arms, suspension, all glass is good except windshield,Cowl tag, VIN tag, clear TX title,car does role. The rest of the car is very rusty. I will assist in loading if needed. $2000. No e-mails, call mark (903)738-1580
336870M290765
http://easttexas.craigslist.org/cto/4974888769.html
This is a real Cutlass Ralley 350. This Oldsmobile was a true muscle, classic car and it's day. It is in terrible condition now. What is good: Car frame, 12 bolt rear end(do not know the ratio) boxed trailing arms, suspension, all glass is good except windshield,Cowl tag, VIN tag, clear TX title,car does role. The rest of the car is very rusty. I will assist in loading if needed. $2000. No e-mails, call mark (903)738-1580
April 16th, 2015, 12:01 PM
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April 16th, 2015, 12:15 PM
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Ditto Diego ! I did let a guy buy the plate off the one I parted out but not the same guy that got the VIN , body shell and title. The plate was for what was supposed to be a real Rallye an old man in California was trying to put back together that had been parted out already. I reported the VIN of the parted junk on the registry too to record that this car was junked and scattered and that VIN should not ever come back on a nice car
April 16th, 2015, 12:23 PM
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April 16th, 2015, 01:00 PM
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Interesting thought. So in other words, once a car is either totaled or rotted to the point of not being able to be rebuilt, due to either cost or other reasons, without replacing every piece of sheet metal, including the frame and firewall which contain the plates, then it must be junked and scrapped. I was not suggesting that the plates be sold, but for the same owner to use them on a donor car so they can keep that special car alive. Seems that must be the reason why some are against Dynacorn for making Mustang, Camaro, Chevelle, GM A-body, etc., shells for an owner to transfer their plates to if their car is too far gone for a rebuild. I guess everyone has a different outlook on this subject.....
April 16th, 2015, 02:15 PM
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No, it's not an interesting thought - it's a cliche one because it's been rehashed many times.
Build the car the way you want, but don't transfer the plates unless you want to go to jail.
The car is dead. Keeping a car alive is restoring it properly.
Like everything in life, there are plenty of outlooks, but there pretty much is only one that's ethical - care to guess which one is that?
So in other words, once a car is either totaled or rotted to the point of not being able to be rebuilt, due to either cost or other reasons, without replacing every piece of sheet metal, including the frame and firewall which contain the plates, then it must be junked and scrapped.
I was not suggesting that the plates be sold, but for the same owner to use them on a donor car so they can keep that special car alive.
Seems that must be the reason why some are against Dynacorn for making Mustang, Camaro, Chevelle, GM A-body, etc., shells for an owner to transfer their plates to if their car is too far gone for a rebuild. I guess everyone has a different outlook on this subject.....
April 16th, 2015, 05:58 PM
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Don't get me wrong, I usually agree with the general consensus. But what about that original owner car where the car is completely rotted and every panel needs to be replaced, including the frame and firewall, requiring the plates to be removed and remounted on the new firewall, as well as loosing the security VIN stamp. Since this is also technically "illegal", even though he is restoring/rebuilding the car as noted in other posts, should the owner - who bought the car brand new and has no intentions of selling the car - had scrapped the car?
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April 16th, 2015, 06:18 PM
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How many inches of metal must be left around the VIN tag then, exactly?
Is replacing a 3" rusted away spot in the lower rear quarter also not acceptable? If so, then, what if the rust extends al the way to 1" from the VIN? Is it at 50%? By weight or by area? Can you replace 40% and then during the next restoration another 40% then later another 40%?
This is not unlike rebuilding your house leaving one wall standing, to satisfy the Historical Commision, then next year adding on to that and removing that wall in the process.
Or, in simpler terms, can we show the new refurbished George Washington's Axe? We replaced the head with a replica, and the handle was missing so that was reproduced... but hey it occupies the same space!
The factory made Rallyes out of Cutlass bodies and parts from the parts bin. It was not ordained by the deities as a special chunk of metal.
Well, some of them were. :-)
Is replacing a 3" rusted away spot in the lower rear quarter also not acceptable? If so, then, what if the rust extends al the way to 1" from the VIN? Is it at 50%? By weight or by area? Can you replace 40% and then during the next restoration another 40% then later another 40%?
This is not unlike rebuilding your house leaving one wall standing, to satisfy the Historical Commision, then next year adding on to that and removing that wall in the process.
Or, in simpler terms, can we show the new refurbished George Washington's Axe? We replaced the head with a replica, and the handle was missing so that was reproduced... but hey it occupies the same space!
The factory made Rallyes out of Cutlass bodies and parts from the parts bin. It was not ordained by the deities as a special chunk of metal.
Well, some of them were. :-)
April 17th, 2015, 09:05 AM
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Don't get me wrong, I usually agree with the general consensus. But what about that original owner car where the car is completely rotted and every panel needs to be replaced, including the frame and firewall, requiring the plates to be removed and remounted on the new firewall, as well as loosing the security VIN stamp. Since this is also technically "illegal", even though he is restoring/rebuilding the car as noted in other posts, should the owner - who bought the car brand new and has no intentions of selling the car - had scrapped the car?
Buy a good body, transfer the engine and other key parts, but leave the VIN and data plate on the parts car and allow it to die. But transfer the items that determine identity? Illegal and unethical.
April 17th, 2015, 12:34 PM
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Since it is illegal to remove the plates, in particular the rivets/screws, or any other part having a stamped security VIN - for any reason - anyone needing to replace the firewall or remove their plate(s) to repair their firewall are out of luck - just scrap the car. Even if they are the owner of the car and have no intentions of selling it or committing fraud. Would be interesting to know if anyone who has owned their "keeper" Oldsmobile for years would truly scrap it if it was damaged beyond ethical repairs or became rotted after being unintentionally neglected for many years. I would guess not many, no matter what the brand or model, and I'm not talking about those whom buy the car to flip it or plan on upgrading in few years, but those who "inherited" their father's or another family members car that has been in the family for years, sometimes since it was bought new. In most cases these family "heirloom" cars are not high end or special models, just special to their owners. I can respect and agree with those whom believe that the original car is the original car, and nothing is to be done that involves removing the original firewall, frame or either plate's rivets/screws, but I can also see where variances could also be ethical.
What about those States that legally allow a pre-1950's metal kit car or remanufactured car to be titled and registered in the year the car represents, not manufactured? This is done with SEMA's blessing and encouragement for other States to follow suit. I do not believe this is ethical. To the unknowing, these cars have passed hands with the new owner believing it is an original, not a kit or remanufactured car, with the titling State's blessing.
What about those States that legally allow a pre-1950's metal kit car or remanufactured car to be titled and registered in the year the car represents, not manufactured? This is done with SEMA's blessing and encouragement for other States to follow suit. I do not believe this is ethical. To the unknowing, these cars have passed hands with the new owner believing it is an original, not a kit or remanufactured car, with the titling State's blessing.
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April 20th, 2015, 10:17 AM
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I'm not wishing to continue this ad nauseam, but I wanted to at least respond out of respect to the effort you put in your posting(s).
I think we know that owners always end up selling eventually - things happen, including death.
Admittedly, state laws are not on the up-and-up when it comes to the gray area of rebodies, etc. But the example you provided tend to be cars with clear lineage, and I find it hard to believe a prospective owner of a Cobra would not know it's a remanufactured tribute put out by a descendant of the original company. However, getting a 1967 W-30 data plate and putting it on a regular 4-4-2 is basically increasing the value of a car based on a pedigree that it wasn't born with - not kosher at all.
What about those States that legally allow a pre-1950's metal kit car or remanufactured car to be titled and registered in the year the car represents, not manufactured? This is done with SEMA's blessing and encouragement for other States to follow suit. I do not believe this is ethical. To the unknowing, these cars have passed hands with the new owner believing it is an original, not a kit or remanufactured car, with the titling State's blessing.
April 20th, 2015, 10:49 AM
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I would not say that owners always end-up selling eventually, even after death, as many cars are still kept in the family to be treasured - especially since most "keepers" are not the high-end big money cars, but just the standard cars that have been in families for years or were bought by someone back in the day.
The State titling of remanufactured and kit usually do not have a clear lineage, as it applies to all makes and models, from the coveted special models to all of the "plain jane" model A's to British six cylinder AC cars.
We are not speaking of Cobras, W-cars, Hemi's, Six-Pack, Shelby's, Boss, Stage-1's, Ram Air IV, and other high end cars that are usually the type used in fraudulent transactions for money that most of us could never afford - but the lowly musclecar owner who just wants to keep their "personal" treasure instead of giving it to the scrap yard to be made into a Kia or Hyundai.
The State titling of remanufactured and kit usually do not have a clear lineage, as it applies to all makes and models, from the coveted special models to all of the "plain jane" model A's to British six cylinder AC cars.
We are not speaking of Cobras, W-cars, Hemi's, Six-Pack, Shelby's, Boss, Stage-1's, Ram Air IV, and other high end cars that are usually the type used in fraudulent transactions for money that most of us could never afford - but the lowly musclecar owner who just wants to keep their "personal" treasure instead of giving it to the scrap yard to be made into a Kia or Hyundai.
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April 23rd, 2015, 06:59 AM
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LOL, I would have liked to just cause it would look cool with a CLR & Scotchbrite wash and leave it in the yard.. I doubt my wife would feel the same though.. The one I part outed was so much worse, this one had a lot of good stuff still.
April 23rd, 2015, 12:13 PM
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cant find the add for the car now, but this is the guys add for some of the parts http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/pts/4972624659.html
April 23rd, 2015, 12:22 PM
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April 23rd, 2015, 07:27 PM
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Ronnie, the car in Milford is my parts car I sold. He cross posted it on Houston CL as Corsicana . No Cowl Tag BTW , I didn't let it go with title and VIN for two reasons .
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April 23rd, 2015, 07:37 PM
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The next time you run across one with vin and a cowl tag good enough to make a race car let me know. The one you posted for two grand would have been perfect for my needs. But it is sold. Dang it!!
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