oldsmobiledave

In Vancouver BC CA. I did not know that option P81 (red line tires) was mandatory with the W-32 option but according to the info on the GM of Canada docs it was.


EDIT WE NOW KNOW THAT THIS IS NOT A NUMBERS MATCHING CAR


http://www.kijiji.ca/v-classic-cars/...ationFlag=true


Date Listed20-Nov-14Price$14,000.00
Address28684 98 Avenue, Maple Ridge, BC V2W 1K9

For Sale By Owner Trim W32 Body Type Coupe (2 door) Transmission Automatic Year 1969 ColourGreen Kilometers 196000 Drivetrain Rear-wheel drive (RWD) Fuel Type Gasoline 442 W32 400 CU. IN HIGH PERFORMANCE PACKAGE G80 POSITRACK 3.42 RATIO HEAVY DUTY DISC BRAKES M40 TRANS PS SS 2 WHEELS NEEDS RESTO send your # I will call back. 604-462-0628

junior supercar

one of the 25 post coupes. nice.

oldsmobiledave

I am not a player on this car at this time. However, this car needs to be restored & I am trying to help the seller find the car a home with a buyer who can give the car the restoration it deserves.


Here is what I know about the car from the buyer


YES THE DRIVE TRAIN IS ORIGINAL NEVER BEEN OUT OF CAR ALL # S MATCH I BOUGHT THE IN 1983 FROM 1ST OWNER HE PURCHASED CAR FROM DICK IRWINS IN VANCOVER CAR HAD FULL TANK OF GAS HE LEFT THE LOT AND DROVE FRIST DRIVE TO PENTICTON FOR THE DAY CAN YOU IMAGINE I BOUGHT THE WITH 96000 AND NOW HAS 98000


Here is the GM of Canada documentation on this car.


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Hey Sam this car would look marvelous parked next to your green & gold 1969 W-30!


Or maybe Bernhard (Keeper of the underdog 400) should buy it & make this his 442 for the vintage stock races. He lives nearby & he is close to Mission Raceway to boot! That silver 4 speed post coupe you have can wait!


Stefano how about you? You are always on the hunt for rare original Oldsmobiles... does not get much rarer than this! 1 of 25 built & possibly the only post coupe W-32 to come to Canada.


We have numerous members in the Greater Vancouver area who can check this car out in person. I will be in the area after Xmas and if the car is still for sale I will check it out for someone who is a serious buyer.


Crystal59 lives in Vancouver & has a 1969 W-32 convertible. We have not heard from this member for over a year but maybe he could use one of the 1 of 25 post coupes to go with his 1 of 25 convertibles.


let's find this car a new home guys!

Stefano

Its a Kool car no doubt, but going to be a "labor of love" for someone.

Koda

He's about 33%-50% high on his price. It takes a certain guy to choose the underpowered,
uglier 68-69 442s over the 66-67s, or the 70-72s. The w-32 option certainly helps, but it's
not a w-30 and is pretty much unknown. If he added more pictures showing the missing OAI
parts and that the car is rough, but complete, itwould help. I think, if someone offers 10,
he should take it.

dnmfranco

lol , wow so eloquently spoken . So the Ram Rods and Hurst Olds were also underpowered in 68 as well as 69? Your statement is a little broad and generic regarding those years and their performance.


Actually hate to break it to you the 69's are a lot more popular than the 67's , for sake of argument I'll give you the 66.




The fact the its not a W-30 is irrelevant as clearly the W-32's are significantly rarer. Granted that doesn't always translate to sale dollars.


With the Canadian docs not sure how that makes it unknown.


You think if someone offered him 10,000 he should take wow really thank God that's your opinion and we know how that goes like .... everyone has one.

oldsmobiledave

A serious player is pursuing the car. Stay tuned. They will chime in when the time is right. Let's hope it all works out.

Koda

No need to be disrespectful or sarcastic. I did not insult you personally, nor anyone else. It's common knowledge that the 400G block underperformed, hence my comments on the 68 and 69 442s being underpowered. I did not say anything about the Ram Rod, nor the Hurst Olds, which were, as I assume you know, powered by other engines. As for popularity figures, I'm confident 67 442s command higher dollar than the 69s; you're welcome to present data to the contrary.

I believe you validated my point about the w-32 already. Rare does not always mean desirable. I'm sure there's a 3 speed manual, 2 barreled 350 72 442 that's yellow with a red stripe out there, but it doesn't make it valuable. By unknown, I meant that not many people outside of the community know what a w-32 code is, as opposed to w-30, or even w-31. I did not say it was undocumented; I said unknown.

I don't know why you're being rude. I made a legit call on what I think the car is worth based on my knowledge of the hobby. You are welcome to disagree. I apologize for offending you, but I think you owe me one as well.

dnmfranco

Your initial comment stated 68's and 69's as a whole w no specific reference to the G block cars.


Once again are you talking about just generic 442's among the two years or the whole gambit.
Your initial comment just listed years and that 68's and 69's bottom of barrel . So w that generalization is why I chimed in.
Perhaps 67 442's get more than your generic 69 442 , I honestly don't know.


Okay unknown - apologies


Just taken back a little by your thread initially. No harm no foul and if I came across as rude sorry. I just have an innate quality to defend these years to be quite honest.

Koda

Sorry I wasn't clear, but when I said "It takes a certain guy to choose the underpowered, uglier 68-69 442s over the 66-67s, or the 70-72s" I meant the G block 400 442s over the E block 66-67s, or whatever the 455 block (F?) 70-72 442s.

I just meant the standard 442s. For what it's worth, if that car were a 67 442 nothing special, I'd say it'd be worth 7 or so, same with a 69 442 nothing special. I bought my 67 442 in similar shape ten years ago for 4. I said ten with respect to the w-32; I MAY be undervaluing it.

And, I'm sorry, I just now noticed your sig. It's all right to defend em, I'm partial to the 67s myself. We're good.

So, since you got all those, is the w-31 faster than the 442 and the w-30 the fastest?

dnmfranco

well to be honest 31 takes them all in the short run
the converts are heavy and one has 308's, so at 3800 lbs not going anywhere real fast but that has the best top end


those 350s are tough to beat, big bore short stroke .can bring them to 6000 rpm and not worry.
In 68 they tested the 31,30 and Hurst Olds . The 31 came in second and lost first by 2/10ths behind the Hurst.

Koda

Thanks, that's about what I had in my head of how they'd do. I have no idea
how hard you can wind a E block 400 in the earlier 442s. I don't think 6k.

I wouldn't mind a 69 W-31. If I get a Hurst to hang out with the HOCA, it'll be a 72,
much more affordable then the 68s and 69s.

oldsmobiledave

Get a 1973 HO. Even cheaper and you can be the only one at any show. Find a rare V code car and it will surprise most as to how it runs.


Anyways back to the car at hand......

dnmfranco

good motors the E blocks almost square 4 inch or so bore and on around the same stroke.
That was one of the problems w the G Block small bore and over 4 inch stroke. Two bolt mains just didn't do the trick. Also the factory tolerances were tight were oil would burn up between the crank and bearing thus spinning. Wasn't Old's best work.
The 350 complete opposite little over 4 bore and 3.8 or so stroke. Many say one of the best combos of American motors.

1969w3155

Appears to be an option per the docs, If in the assy. manual, that may show it.

1969w3155

In the tire usage chart, 34467/34477 and listed one slot below 34487, at the far right of the chart it shows "12" which is the redline tire as standard for the 442, this is domestic and export. I'll try to scan the page later to post here.

oldsmobiledave

We found out last night that this car does NOT have a #s matching block in the car. Only the seller knows for sure why he stated that the drivetrain was original but he REVEALED THIS IMPORTANT INFORMATION just before a deal to purchase the car was consummated. The engine in the car has an Oshawa Canada built 1968 vintage 400 block which is clearly not original to a Lansing built 1969 W-32.


This is still a worthy project but it is NOT numbers matching. Buyer beware & pay accordingly. I still firmly believe that the car deserves a restoration but the selling price & finished value just changed considerably.

oldsmobiledave

At the bottom of the documents read where it states that several options must be ordered along with the W-32 option including the redline tires.

Bernhard

I love it when people parrot information about the G 400 a engine is only as good as the builder.

In 69 it held the NHRA D stock recorded 12.39 this was when stock was stock.

Back in the 68/69 track prep was not as it is today the 400 G spins up quick and produces a lot of TQ.
In the 80's I had a 442 powered by a 400G it would blow the tires away and spin the tire on the 1 to 2 shift.
Is it OLDS best engine no but it is not as bad as some make out the 12.39 would say other wise. Remember that's a 12.39 in 68/69.

Koda

http://realoldspower.prophpbb.com/topic632.html

Guess you forgot about this thread, eh?

Bernhard

I Guess you have not read this from Hemmings eh?
Direct from the dealer race team manager MR Berejik.



http://www.hemmings.com/mus/stories/...feature13.html


Just because some teams had trouble with the 400 G does not mean all teams were unable to make it run.

Koda

Dude, I don't care one way or the other. I mean, I really don't. A couple guys named
Dave in this hobby, both who worked there, then, commented on how the E block 400
and the Ram Rod and W-31 350s were better engines, and that's good enough for me.
Their reasoning and historical data agrees with my semi-professional engineering opinion
on the bore and stroke geometry, and.....that's it. We don't have to argue, you don't
have to dismiss me as "parroting" and we certainly don't have to have a pissing
contest. Christ, you'd think I called your wife ugly or something.

1969w3155

Hopefully you can enlarge enough without losing clarity. tried pdf, too large to upload file.

p518

This car, for what it is, is most likely worth the money, regardless.

dnmfranco

Bernhard interesting article thanks for the share

Bernhard

I have nothing against you or your comments but you have to be able to back up what you say.
The interview I posted was from THE Olds dealer in the day, backed up with a ET record.Look at the rear quarter of the 68 were it is on display.
12.39 is fast for 68/69 in a strict class.
Is it as good as a 455 or a 400 E No but it was good enough to still run a 12.39.

Eddie Hansen

Hmmm I have had my 69 olds longer than my wife.....and I am married 26 years , and you did say it takes a certain guy to choose the uglier, underpowered 68-69 " just saying lol
I personally think, they are the best looking, then the 66-67 then the 64-65 then the 70s

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, it, s all good Happy Thanksgiving everyone...

Diego

What is it?

Koda

Well, to be fair, the geometry change was for emissions and hurt the performance
some, which is documented. Sure, they're fine cars, I was speaking of Olds over Olds.

You 68-69 guys win, I'll not say more.

I think that's a scan showing the red line tires were part of w-32.

1969w3155

It shows that redlines were std. on all 3 body styles of the 442, and one might assume therefore, that it was true of the W32, and I would assume the W30. Perhaps the dealer ordering forms might say otherwise.

Stefano

How boring it would be if we all had the same exact tastes.

Daverd

Bernhard

https://www.mecum.com/lot-detail.cfm...=AU1214-198901



Here is a link to a W32 that sold for $30,000


Myself and two others spent a few ours going over the car in Delta BC
The car is cool from the fact that there are very few 1968-1969 W cars from BC.
The car is missing a lot of very important parts and would require a full frame of with metal work involved.

If a fully restored all original car sells for $30,000 what would be the true value of the car needing a frame off and not having its original engine,carb,alt,dist,horn cap,master,rad left front fender lower brace?
That is in need of metal work and a full restoration.
My thought would be the car would be worth less than the cost to restore it.

What would you pay for the car and why??
The reason we a interested is because it is local and like I said before very few 68/69's were imported into BC.

The 70 442 W30 and W31 were quite common even equipped with W27 diffs.
There were lots of rally 350's as well.