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For that money they better be prepared for purist to nit pick. I have a few questions myself. Would need to see documentation and really like to see the build date on the cowl tag. That said, it is for sure a beautiful car.
You just gotta love dealer cars. Nice fake window sticker. Nice font. Looks like a nice car but where is the real documentation? I don't mind green cars but it would take the right person to want a green exterior. Green interior car. 93 grand? Looks like a car that has traded many a dealers hands.
Yes, they were built all year. One thing though. 06C would likely have had the second style trunk lid but this has the third style. The second style was VERY short lived so this would be very interesting to me if there was a way to prove if the trunk lid was original. Would like to see the build week of the trunk lid. These little details I really like to learn more about.
They put the cars on the Auctions to jack up the values for the guy that says "hold my beer while I bid" Also, keeps poboys like me out of the market. The prices are out of control. $30+K for just a regular Cutlass S with missing parts and misinformed owners. Your Killing Me Small's. Prime example, Junk on EBAY!! Fake 442's for $60+K. Oh, did I say fake? I meant Tribute cars. Basil and Gateway. Documentation doesn't mean anything any more along with original parts. It's a restomod now. Ohhh I see, is that what they call it today. Yes Sir, 70 W-30 all original including the 430 hp. LS Chevy installed. What?? An LS? Where is the 455? A Whaaat, a 455? Some get an attitude when you ask about documentation and data plate information and date codes why's and how's. I have experienced this before. Lets see, I looked at a 442 last year, supposed to have been a W-30. Missing all W parts. The car was three toned between colors and body parts. Not to mention the rust. And you want how much? He says $30K What proves its a W-30? "My friend says it is" Oh Do you have documents or papers in black and white? Pictures before? He says no. No? Ha, $30K for a car that is undocumentable no paperwork to support the claim nothing except the transmission. Yes it was a 442 Vin. Yes it had the hood pin brackets on the core support. Yes it had red wells but the washers did not line up with the marks which indicated the red wells were removed at some point. Yes it had a cobbled together 455. Yes it was also the incorrect rear axle housing, wait a 10 bolt in a 70? Hmmm... Yes the back seat was incorrect. Yes it was drivable but the condition was not the most economical for such a large price tag. Guy says but its a W-30 that's why its worth $30K. I told him that I could justify $7,500. He was angry with me when I started pointing out all the red flags and the work required not to mention no documentation in black and white to support the W-30. Ok, See ya. I'm sure it maybe possible to do a history research on the car to find documentation but at this point is it worth it? Who knows. I could not justify the $30K asking price for such a limited option car that needed so much work.
The real value is in the documentation. The more paper work on a car that supports its birth of options and correct original parts are installed or at least comes with the vehicle. This is what makes a car worth money.
Not the LS or the wires hanging down from behind the dash or the inoperable fuel gauge on a restored car. Its the paper work!!!
THIS ^^^^ It's shown up all over the past 6 months at least. Nice looking car though.
Exactly. There are reasons why. You got proof show it. If you had it you would gladly show it.
Originally Posted by w30hurstolds
Yes I know the car well. It was restored using all nos parts. The car is amazing worth every penny spent.
What makes you say that? How many cars are full of "nos" this and that? Um 99 percent. That car is worth 93 grand? As always I ask. Are there before pictures and proof anywhere? Show me proof that car came as it is persented. I bet you my barn that can Never happen.
Beautiful car. Just another dealer car to me.
The title of this thread. Best W-30 out there? Not even close.
Last edited by no1oldsfan; Mar 30, 2023 at 07:21 PM.
Yes, they were built all year. One thing though. 06C would likely have had the second style trunk lid but this has the third style. The second style was VERY short lived so this would be very interesting to me if there was a way to prove if the trunk lid was original. Would like to see the build week of the trunk lid. These little details I really like to learn more about.
Just read your thread about the different trunk lids. Very informative.
Green is not a favored color for me, but let's just assume it is a fake W30 for arguments sake and nothing more than a 70-442 hardtop. One thing is for certain, if there is a person that can build a 70-442 like this for under $100k, I would like to see him work that magic. That car would cost a pile of money to restore to that level. No idea why they would link an incorrect $20 window sticker as that is clearly an error more than trying to fool anyone.
If I had a couple of bucks to waste this would be a highly presentable car and willing to drive it around any day of the week. It's super-clean, well done and presents nicely. If I was going to tout it as a W-30 though, I'd want to try and verify it as well as I could. I personally wouldn't care. I'd still drive it. But since I don't have money to waste, I wouldn't want to pay that sort of cash for it without knowing it was an authentic W-30. I'd probably just buy a slightly use 2015 Z/28 or something for 93K and have money left over for gas for the next several years.
This car was the Nationals in MI (Dearborn?) in the late 2000's, and is stunning in person. Believe it won Best of Class. The owner was from southern Ohio. After restoration the car had an accident where it fell off a trailer and I think one of the fenders was repainted. The car has a binder full of pictures of the packaging from all the NOS parts used in the restoration. Car has traded more than once since that time at the Nationals.
Maybe but not sure. Nobody has ever documented a known original car with the third style trunk lid but I do think the third style did appear in 1970. The second style is late May early June confirmed but not sure how long into June or later the second style ran. The second style was very short lived.
Beautiful car, broadcast card matches body tag so it was born a w30, don’t know about all the options.. not a fan of green usually but this is stunning….
Hi All - My father and I are the original restorer of this car. I'm glad to see it get such good press via this website. The car is in fact a true 70 W-30 auto purchased by us in 1998, at which point it was completely original and unrestored. We then proceeded to rebuild the car to make it exactly as it was delivered new using all NOS components. It took us almost 10 years to locate all the components and rebuild it as you see it in the pictures. Pretty much everything is NOS, except for the drivetrain, which is original/rebuilt, numbers matching. All internal drivetrain engine components are NOS. All components you see in the engine photo are NOS: hoses, belts, W25 air cleaner assembly, spark plug wires, water pump, fuel lines, etc. I actually assembled and painted this engine. I built the W-27 as well. The numbers matching trans was built by a master mechanic named Steve Meinhard at Classic Oldsmobile in Merrillville. He had been employed there since 1967 and worked on these cars new. I watched him assemble it to learn.
I personally hand-stamped all the rubber fuel lines using "SWAN GAS" and the "two square/two triangle" image stamps. The entire exhaust system is NOS, with correct numbered mufflers. All braking components, all exterior badging, front/rear bumpers - not rechromed. Truly, I could continue the list, but it wouldn't do it justice. It's best to see the vehicle in person. If there's any specific questions about the cars history, please feel free to ask and I'll respond as I can.
One comment: I have no vested interest in selling of the vehicle, but I hope it ends up at a good home with someone who appreciates what it is and the level of restoration we applied to it. It was an amazing experience to build this car, and I've met many fantastic people in the Oldsmobile hobby who are good friends to this day.
Thanks everyone and glad to see the hobby is still very strong.
Last edited by w30olds69; May 1, 2023 at 01:34 PM.
Thanks for the historical summary. As I stated above, gorgeous car and I found the comments regarding it not being worth above $90k comical. Performing a restoration to this level today for a shop would be well into the 6 figure range. While green is not my personal favorite, the condition of this car is amazing. Congrats on the outcome.
Thanks for the historical summary. As I stated above, gorgeous car and I found the comments regarding it not being worth above $90k comical. Performing a restoration to this level today for a shop would be well into the 6 figure range. While green is not my personal favorite, the condition of this car is amazing. Congrats on the outcome.
Thanks capstoneclub. We believe it would be very difficult to duplicate this car again due to the limited availability of NOS Parts. We started collecting these items in the mid-1990's when they were still somewhat easy to find. It's got to be much more difficult (and expense) today. Actually, we picked the car because we also liked Sherwood Green, and at the time, I had a 69 442 W-30 4-speed in Glade Green with a black vinyl top. We wanted to have matching cars from 69 and 70.
Naysayers notwithstanding, who seem to find imagined fault with everything, this car scored 998/1000 at the OCA Nats. I'd wager it is one of the best in existence!
I view this car in the 1% of top Oldsmobile W-car restorations. The acquisition of the NOS parts is super impressive but to be able to assemble the car in a correct manor leveraging those parts is even more impressive. With my detailed eye, I see very few items incorrect on this car and view this W-30 in the upper echelon of Oldsmobile muscle.
In contrast to the handful of '70 W-30's going across the block at Mecum Indy 2023 this weekend, this sherwood green example is a step above all those cars. Good luck to the seller on BaT.
I like the car and I'm super-impressed at the level of detail. The fact that this is one of a handful of cars on the planet that has had new emblems installed and they're correctly spaced and all level with each other.
It reminds me of a nugget gold 70 W-30 I almost bought many years ago, but passed. It had a green bench seat with auto on the column which is the same color as this car's interior, but it had all the supporting paperwork and original window sticker proving that green and gold were indeed factory offerings.
I noticed in the BaT ad that it appears it has had a new trunklid installed. Assuming the original rusted out or something? While an NOS trunklid is perfectly fine and doesn't detract from the car at all, I have to ask this pertinent quesiton about that. Was there a separate W-30 replacement trunklid for these cars or was there just one replacement part for all F-85 2-door cars? When closing the trunk on this green car, does it echo or simply thud shut? Reason I ask is that the nugget gold car I examined had no insulation in the trunklid and made a tin-can sound when closing the trunk lid. A few years later I found a 71 W-30 in the weeds in a junkyard and snagged the hood and trunklid off of it for a 72 442 I was fixing up. The trunklid had no insulation in it either. Everytime I closed that trunklid it would echo. Conversely, when I closed the trunklids on the other A-body 442s I've owned, they were solid sounding and didn't have a tinny ring to them.
I did notice the "3"s in the broadcast sheets look different on one card and different on the other in the pictures. Was that typical? You push on the price tags of these cars where they are, then the paperwork really needs to be impeccable. I don't care who is selling the car.
I did notice the "3"s in the broadcast sheets look different on one card and different on the other in the pictures. Was that typical? You push on the price tags of these cars where they are, then the paperwork really needs to be impeccable. I don't care who is selling the car.
Amen!! I agree with everything you said. This car is no doubt beautiful. When a car is called the best W-30 in existence?? You better have everything square. Can it be duplicated for 90 grand? Probably not. Good luck to seller and the potential buyer. I say towards every single high dollar car out there. Show me before pictures. How many high dollar cars can show that? I don't even care how bad it was before. Show me that it was in fact this same car before all the nos this and that was added. Why is that so difficult to show? Simple simple step to me.
Amen!! I agree with everything you said. This car is no doubt beautiful. When a car is called the best W-30 in existence?? You better have everything square. Can it be duplicated for 90 grand? Probably not. Good luck to seller and the potential buyer. I say towards every single high dollar car out there. Show me before pictures. How many high dollar cars can show that? I don't even care how bad it was before. Show me that it was in fact this same car before all the nos this and that was added. Why is that so difficult to show? Simple simple step to me.
All the pictures are on BaT.
Yes, the 3’s were printed differently on broadcast cards throughout the 1970 model year. No issues.
Everyone is allowed their opinion, but in my opinion this is an outstanding example of a restoration. As said above WAY better than many of the auction house w cars that I have seen lately. Not a lot to pick apart on this one guys.
Don't get me wrong. Absolutely stunning beautiful car.
Show me one single picture of how the car was before any restoration started. I know it's just me. People don't care. If a car was that unique and rare wouldn't you have hundreds of before pictures?
Don't get me wrong. Absolutely stunning beautiful car.
Show me one single picture of how the car was before any restoration started. I know it's just me. People don't care. If a car was that unique and rare wouldn't you have hundreds of before pictures?
Maybe, maybe not. I've had my 85 442 since new, and I've got maybe a handful of pictures. Same with all the rest of the cars I own. Why? I am not much of a picture taker. I know what they look like.
