http://www.ebay.com/itm/Oldsmobile-4...m=111778296001


This looks like a very solid project car. Original engine gone & now powered by a SBO but the OH trans is there & the car looks very solid.


I am surprised to see no bids on the car.

 

It's also missing the correct wheels, which will be expensive if you can find them.

 

For all the people on FB claiming you couldn't touch a project '69 H/O for less than $30k, guess this auction proves them wrong... I still think this is a good deal for the price, especially if it's solid with original sheet metal. The stripe placement is off a bit where it meets the quarter glass... if you went through and put in a 455 engine with clone intake and real D heads, you'd have $10-12k into it, could rechrome a set of wheels to fake the '69 wheels as best you can, say another $1-2k, you'd have one helluva car for $35k total.

I guess the car won't sell for $20k since reserve isn't met... so what I just said is a moot point. Wonder what he really wants for it.

 

True. But would the rims missing really prevent anyone from buying the car at a fair price? I know it would never stop me.


Buy the car & find the wheels later if that is something that you really care about. Not every car has to ride on its' OEM rims. Besides when it goes to the track with a stroker BBO to run as a stock appearing HO it will have will have light weight wheels & cheater slicks on it anyways.

 

One of the points to these cars is the originality and the uniqueness of them. You start altering them and they loose that.
It's kinda like throwing T-type aluminum wheels on a Grand National....you just don't do it.

 

The car is reserve not met at $20K, so you have no idea what the seller really wants for it. I'm guessing the reserve is somewhat north of the current price, and probably a lot closer to $30K.

A "correct" car requires the unobtanium intake, air cleaner, D-heads, and wheels, for starters. The replaced quarter panel could be an issue, depending on workmanship. If you don't want to pay for those correct parts, you might as well just build a clone. If you DO want to pay for those correct parts, you'll be into the car for over $40K before you do any work to it.

 

Not every car has to be original. Since the engine is already gone this is a perfect car to head to the track with. It's already altered so this is not an unsoiled canvas. It is ok to re-purpose one of these machines and go kick some Chevy *** with it.


I wonder how many of the Hurst Oldsmobiles kept their OEM rims anyways. Surely some of them were treated to day two mags. I like the OEM rims & if I had a 1969 HO I would certainly want those rims at my disposal but it would not be a deal breaker if they were missing.


And what is wrong with T type wheels on a Grand National? If the owner likes that look who are you to decide that it is wrong?

 

Maybe that's the trick...
Clone a Hurst drag car(stocker) out of a Hurst.
Might not get dinged for original rims, or even engine to a degree.

Were there any other notable Hurst stockers beside the Motion car?

 

Now THAT is what I am talking about!

 

The options are limited to return the car to stock. The hobby only has itself to blame. When someone wants 25% of the value of the car for one part, it makes a lot more financial sense just to buy a complete one at a higher price.

 

As others have touched on, maybe it depends on what you want to do with it... Enjoy it and drive around and/or make it into a track car as mentioned, put 3 feet of meat on the back and go for it...it may be sitting at a good price point for that...

Or if looking for proper restoration. Someone else mentioned Stripe placement by the quarter glass.. So, not only that, but the hood stripe is 'off', trunk stripe way too wide, lower stripes incorrect, upper stripe at the front incorrect, also the hood scoop is set back too far which causes a larger 'gap' where the scoop meets the hood because of it... Certainly nothing insurmountable to fix, but if that was all freshly done as part of an on-going restoration as mentioned, I would want to re-do that all from a restoration perspective, that and all the other vital pieces mentioned prior would be a pricing factor for me in this perspective.

 

I agree with you on this one. It's a sad state in our hobby when rare cars are almost throwaways because they don't have all of their #-matching, correct parts, and reproduction parts are unavailable or unacceptable to the snobs in the hobby that demand N.O.S. and look down on average Joe's driver.

I disagree with you on this one. I would MUCH rather have a real 1969 H/O or a real 442 W-30 with the wrong intake, heads, engine, etc. than a clone that started life as a Cutlass S. Big difference there.

 

I remember as a young kid growing up my dad had a '69 H/O for a demo for a few weeks. I didn't like them much then because there were no 4-speeds. I REALLY like them now, but still wish sticks would've been available. I think that a real car missing some "hard" parts is better than an out-n-out fake unless the imposter is labeled and presented as such. The thrill of the hunt is a big part of the game and could still apply here. I recently read about a Cobra that was rescued out of a river and restored over quite a long period of time.....some of this hobby is still for fun and the challenge of making something from nothing

 

The high dollar parts: D heads, Intake, Carb, Ram Air breather, Wheels


Right there you have $20k in parts that you need.


Add in the rest of the money required, and you could sink at least $60k into it.


And it still is a non numbers car.


You would be better off buying a complete one with paperwork in the long run.

 

Yes but only if your game plan is to return it to stock and original. Some of us see value in other options with cars like this.

 

If its missing so many key parts you might as well just pay for a 69 442 body, thats all it is now.

 

Some of us still dream of owning a real '69 H/O, but can't afford $100K+ for a "correct" one. I'd still rather drive around in a REAL '69 H/O that I can afford...and just keep the hood shut when the purists are around.

 

Well said. I too prefer a real one with some bumps and bruises and missing parts to a pristine clone or one with a bunch or restamped and/or repro parts.

It just makes me appreciate the ones which did survive as close to the way they left the plant.

 

Ding Ding Ding winner!

 

This car would make a great pure stock,or retro stock, supper stock.
This car is perfect for the guys that like to drive there muscle cars.
I like the idea of a stick H/O.