SOLD!!!!!!


Olds 442 Cutlass Convertible. HIGH OPTION CAR! 400 Big Block 350hp, Turbo 400 Transmission, Tilt, Rally Tic Toc Dash, Power Windows, Black Bucket Seats, Console, 12bolt 3:23, Dual Exhaust, Louvered 442 Hood, Power Steering, White Power Top, Rally Wheels, Rare Disc Brakes. All original, 86K miles, numbers matching survivor including factory Midnight Blue paint, interior & drivetrain. Drove into storage in 1984 & have not attempted to start. Motor still turns over. One family owned. Very solid body including fenders, doors, floors & trunk. Needs quarters & full restoration. Keywords: 1967 OLDSMOBILE CUTLASS 442 CONVERTIBLE City: Maquoketa State: Iowa Displayed Email: rpb396@sbcglobal.net Phone: 847 970 9751

 

OK something just doesn't jive here.....

 

Yet another "matching numbers" car that was built before VIN derivative stamps were used. No mention of the Protect-O-Plate, either.

 

On the older cars,'numbers matching' means if you are willing to part with the same amount of dollars they want,then it is a match! ---bil

 

Car was listed on chevelles.com in the classifieds under other cars.

 

it was sold first day listed

 

ON this site or the other site?

 

other site I believe

 

Anyone know how much that car sold for?

NS

 

That car was on craigslist for a long time last spring/summer, guy was asking around 6k for it.

 

Although the term is over/mis-used, I do recall Curt Anderson once defined it to mean in these years "correct casting numbers and date code matching components". Good 'nuff for me, anyway!

 

Nope, sorry, but I must disagree. The only value of "numbers matching" is to prove that the car has the original engine and trans. There were thousands (if not tens of thousands) of engine castings made with the correct casting numbers and date codes for a given car. Simply having the right casting numbers is meaningless, since there's no proof that these parts have not been installed after the car was built. Keep in mind that date codes on castings can be 30-90 days before the build date of the car.

 

First of all,no disrespect intended, but I get sick and tired of someone asking me every time I drive my car "is it numbers matching" My car is a 1969 olds 442 holiday coupe. When I bought it it had a saginaw 4 speed and olds 403 in it. I got lucky and found a correct date code Muncie M-20 and could have searched (and probably paid way too much)for a 1969 Olds 400 which would have been correct for my car. However an Olds friend of mine had been sitting on a 1968 Olds 455 from a toronado. This motor and it's big valve "C" heads was factory rated with more horsepower than the stock 69 400. After taking the block and heads for machining, installing a larger cam and some WZ exhaust manifolds (have 2 sets of headers that dont fit because of 4 speed linkage clearance) I now have the car the way I like it with more torque and horsepower than the original motor. So for me, numbers matching is all relative, personally I would rather have my set-up the way it is. Thanks for the opportunity to rant, I feel better now.

 

I don't disagree with you.

MY rant is about sellers who claim a car is "numbers matching" and price accordingly when, in fact, they have no proof of that claim. The car that originally started this thread actually does appear to have the original engine, but in 1967 the only numbers that "matched" were unit numbers on the engine and trans, and those numbers were only tied to the VIN on the Protect-O-Plate. Since the seller made no mention of the P-O-P, we don't know if his "numbers matching" claim is true or not. A more correctly phrased ad would be to claim "original engine", or even "numbers-correct" engine.

Frankly, 75% of the people I run into who are talking about "numbers matching" have no clue.

 

Considering what lengths the fraudsters and launderers will go to fake things (bogus documentation, forged cowl tags, re-stamps, etc. etc.) I'd say even "official" numbah's matching status is pretty meaningless as well.

 

I agree with both of you. I have seen far too many sellers making numbers matching claims that simple cannot be. There was a claimed '72 442 W-30 convertible on E-bay a couple of weeks back. Trouble was, it had black inner fender wells and the X was missing from the VIN. When I inquired about the discrepency, the seller got all pissy stating that if I didn't like the car, don't buy it, and that they were open about it being a clone. But of course there was no mention of clone in the cars ad. I too have been asked more times than I can count about my Cutlass' numbers matching. After putting an Olds engine back in to replace the engine that was in the car when I bought it 17+ years ago, I keep getting asked why I did not rebuild my "original" engine. But as we know, I had a warranty replacement engine and those were not VIN stamped. So my "Original" 350 was not an actual numbers matching engine. I guess I could stamp my engines myself, like so many do, but to me that is a fraud. My new engine, while a correct casting for 70, has 72 heads that have been ported and the valves have been changed to 70 W-31 specs. So even my castings are off a bit. But I remain all Olds and my baby is rolling still.........which to me is the most important thing, keep those pieces of automotive art rolling!

 

Obviously, the lack of an "X" makes it a clone, but the black inners are correct for 1972. Only a handful of 72s got red inners before the stock was used up.

 

There were onlt a handful built in 72, around 800 total right?? We have three in the town where I am at. All have the red inner fender wells, I thought they all did, but I guess you learn something everday! Love to get my hands on one of those 120 or so convertibles. A friend of mine has one hard top and one convertible 72 and a 70 hardtop W-30 but will part with none. Thanks for the heads up.........