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Old March 14th, 2019, 05:46 AM
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Edelbrock 2151 Performer Intake Coolant Line

Building-up my rebuilt 455 for my 442. Engine came with the EB Performer Intake with a stainless coolant cross-feed line going to the forward to aft LH side coolant passages.
See picture, is this necessary? It had iron heads now aluminum. I may call EB on this but I know there are folks here that are just as knowledgeable.

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Old March 14th, 2019, 07:17 AM
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Whoever put that bypass on is clueless. For some reason, people think this helps cooling. Unfortunately, these are people who have never actually opened a Chassis Service Manual and looked at the coolant flow diagram. Coolant flows into the water pump, rearward in the block, up into the heads, and forward in the heads before exiting at the T-stat housing. Installing a bypass like this actually REDUCES coolant flow to the heads, which are the hottest part of the engine. Lose it.
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Old March 14th, 2019, 07:26 AM
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Will do, thanks Joe. Car came that way and yeah it has had a lot of clueless done to it.
Based on your explanation the driver side heads would lose some coolant flow- glad I asked.
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By the way, this is the other reason why the nipple for the heater hose has a restrictor orifice.
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Old March 14th, 2019, 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by joe_padavano
By the way, this is the other reason why the nipple for the heater hose has a restrictor orifice.
Bingo! Had this problem on one of my builds years ago. Replaced the factory cast iron intake with an aluminum intake and moved the nipple (1966 so no valve), but didn't know about the restrictor. It was so many years ago I forgot, but I think the symptom was it was overheating. Anyway scratched our heads for a while, somehow we figured out to look at the old manifold and found the restrictor, moved it to the new intake and problem was solved. This is so easy to miss!

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Originally Posted by joe_padavano
Whoever put that bypass on is clueless. For some reason, people think this helps cooling. Unfortunately, these are people who have never actually opened a Chassis Service Manual and looked at the coolant flow diagram. Coolant flows into the water pump, rearward in the block, up into the heads, and forward in the heads before exiting at the T-stat housing. Installing a bypass like this actually REDUCES coolant flow to the heads, which are the hottest part of the engine. Lose it.
I've seen on other Olds sites talk about "4-corner cooling". I never lingered on the topic long enough to investigate, but what does that entail, and is it truly effective?
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Old March 14th, 2019, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyBs68S
I've seen on other Olds sites talk about "4-corner cooling". I never lingered on the topic long enough to investigate, but what does that entail, and is it truly effective?
Chevy people push this, and as I noted above, it makes ZERO sense. All you are doing is pulling coolant out of the head before it has a chance to cool the head. How does this help?
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Old March 16th, 2019, 11:11 PM
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A SMALL hose or tube (-4 or 1/4") on the rear of the intake can bleed steam from the engine part of the cooling system.

BIG hose or tube on the rear was all the rage...but I never understood it.
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That fuel filter is a fire waiting to happen, I would replace it with a 1 piece style.
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Old March 18th, 2019, 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by oldcutlass
That fuel filter is a fire waiting to happen, I would replace it with a 1 piece style.
Agreed, I will use the clear filter for initial run-in only- verify I am getting fuel to the carb.
Then install an metal filter.
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Old March 20th, 2019, 11:42 PM
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You wouldn't get any coolant flow through that line what so ever being where it is for 1, nor up that high. Once the system pressurises with coolant it would just remain in the line.
Someone thought it may have done some good when they installed it I suppose.

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Old March 25th, 2019, 02:22 PM
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Does anyone have a dimension for the restriction in the hose nipple?
I have an aftermarket one with no restriction. I would like to put something
in it to restrict flow.
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The vacuum operated valve on AC cars has a 1/4" hole, so I imagine the non-AC cars with just a hose nipple would have the same dimension.
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Makes sense.
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Old March 25th, 2019, 06:59 PM
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There was a plastic disk under the nipple in my non-AC car. 1/4" hole sounds right.
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Old March 26th, 2019, 03:46 AM
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Originally Posted by joe_padavano
Whoever put that bypass on is clueless. For some reason, people think this helps cooling. Unfortunately, these are people who have never actually opened a Chassis Service Manual and looked at the coolant flow diagram. Coolant flows into the water pump, rearward in the block, up into the heads, and forward in the heads before exiting at the T-stat housing. Installing a bypass like this actually REDUCES coolant flow to the heads, which are the hottest part of the engine. Lose it.
I would bet my last dollar that if the “4 corner cooling” had any benefit whatsoever, the Olds engineers would have designed the engines with a system like that.
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After reading this thread, I checked the original heater hose nipple for my non-A/C 69 442. There is, what looks like, a plastic disk sitting in a grove in the nipple. The inner diameter looks to be about the same size as the hose nipple. IIs this the restrictor or does something sit on top of that? It may be hard to see but I added a photo below.


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Old March 27th, 2019, 07:58 AM
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That's it. Easy to miss. When I transferred the nipple from the stock manifold to my new aluminum manifold. Mine was still sitting in the well in the old intake manifold. I don't remember the exact symptoms (35+ years ago) but the cooling system was not working right without that restrictor disk.
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