Charlie_brown

Whats too much compression for a stock starter?:coo l:

Oldsmaniac

There were "stock starters" and then there were stock starters. For the high compression, 10.5 to 1 BB Olds, the starter used was a high torque unit identified by a longer copper tube used to connect the solenoid to the starter coils. These field coils were larger on the high torque stock starters. A starter and generator rebuilder can upgrade the solenoid and possibly the field coils for better operation on a higher than stock compression engine. I would think a stock HT starter in good condition should be able to handle 12 to 1 CR. The trouble is a lot of starters found these days are low torque units and not up to snuff and if headers are used the heat from them acts negatively on the solenoid.

Charlie_brown

Ok so 10.5cr isn't even anything to be concerned about? I'm only asking because i'm heading to autozone here in a minute and am suposed to be picking up one of the stock rebuilds.

compedgemarine

10.5 is nothing to a stock starter. the problem is that many of the rebuilders do not replace the bushings on the nosecone and the rear plate. if they are loose it lets the armature get off center and the starter drags. not a problem on the quality rebuilds or new but it has been a big issue on the cheap rebuilds.

citcapp

I won't buy anything but Napa rebuilds or new. The cheap stores just sell cheap rebuilds, new brush, solenoids, mayge bushings. Running a stock on my 10.4 in my 57 no problem, spins like crazy

Texas Jim

I agree 100%. NAPA is the best f/ parts. Alittle higher dollar, but worth every dime. I once bought a clutch from Chief Auto f/ my '62 pick-up, long story short, 5 clutches in 11 months, life-time warranty ofcourse, parts only and not labor. I'd down shift and hear springs and rivits flying out into the dust cover. Moral; like citcapp said, cheap **** from **** place f/ little money. If you want a good starter, find a good rebuild place and get the job done just the way you want it, or do it yourself, it's not that difficult. When I first went from generator to alternator in my '62 pick-up, I bought a rebuilt alternator from an old auto electrical guy who was known f/ his good work. It's still in my truck and charging perfectly, since June, 1990.

70 cutlass s

I guess it's x3 on Napa they are a little higher, but the parts are better. Nothing makes me madder than having to change out a part because it failed.

MN71W30

For a few years there I would bring jumper cables with me to the auto parts store and test them it the lot because a few of the rebuilt starters wouldn't work fresh out of the box.
X4 It's best to get a good one!

KQQLCAT

What's wrong with your starter? I have all my stuff rebuilt by Generator Specialty in St. Paul. 651-222-7692 ask for Dick That way I know what I have.

Pat

citcapp

Good point Koolcat if you have a local auto electric shop nearby. The problem they are becoming a rare bread in most areas. Only one or two good shops left aroud here. I have original stuff rebuilt and the local guy did my motorhome alternater for half the price of a new one with a one year warranty.

J-(Chicago)

The Napa replacement water pumps are junk in my opinion. Pressed on wimpy impellers that loosen on themselves after enough heat cycles.

Texas Jim

A dying breed f/ sure. Used to be many and now few. The machine/computer age ran off alot of the old "GOOD" tradesmen, especially in the "spoken of" field. The guy who did that alternator I have in the pick-up took the business over from his father, the son is about 67 now. Been there f/ years and known f/ their work. And doesn't mind helping someone, w/o charging them. Like the exhaust shop I spoke of, did my stainless exhaust on my 'Vette, beautiful job, knows exhaust systems inside and out, a specialist, but few around anymore.

The book, "Atlas Shrugged" says it all, when the best people in their fields just quit doing their thing, in short, basically due to the hackers, and the world came to a hault. A great thought!!!

70 cutlass s

Well put Jim. I would like to say too. That people now don't have an interest in working on there own cars like people did back in the 60's and 70's. That when most of the tradesmen started that are now retiring. People use to take pride in a job well done. So they would do a good job for you, because they did know the word would get out. That's how people would find out about where to buy and get work done word of mouth.
Know that where in the computer age. The world is just not the same. I miss hanging out at local mechanic shop and drinking a cold one and talking about cars.

Texas Jim

Sad to say, the only two guys who I know anymore who have any kind of automotive shop, have body shops, and only one of the two I'd have do any work f/ me. Thery're both into the money and not much quality of work, just enough to get it done and gone. I discussed this w/ a long time friend who I see every two years or so. He has a '60 VW bug, European model w/ the arms that pop up on the side instead of blinkers, w/ a 2800cc motor. The guy who built that engine f/ him had a foreign car shop and was more into quality and being different w/ his rides than he was money. He was always doing work late at night f/ people f/ free just to experiment w/ new ideas. A very smart and excentric guy w/ a bunch of neat rides. Those guys just aren't around anymore. When I was a kid, anyone who had a hot car of any kind turned wrenches on it exclusively. Now when you see a guy w/ a neat car, the guy may not know what a rocker arm is. There's a different mind set now, and it's usually quantity f/ the dollar value instead of quality to be proud of. I'm basically a loner f/ that reason, and since the old guy who did any machine work I had to do since '82 died last year, I'm searching f/ a machinist who's worth a flip. I've found that the person who most easily changes w/ the times will live longer, and stress free. I hope I can change and live awhile longer.

70 cutlass s

Yeah I was related to half of the mechanics and body men in my city at one time. Most them have died. Seems like I'm the only one left that has any interest in cars.

We have two local machine shops one is a Fishers the guys have been working there for years.They only care about money and numbers. No one I know goes to them. They only turn out junk. Then we have a young man that has a shop. He seems to be pretty good. He built a car that won on Speeds tv show "Pinks". He's a big Mustang guy. When I talk to him about the Olds. I was not pleased with lack of interest in it.

I drove to Louisville KY to place I know. It's gone. A Buick friend of mine told me of a place on 3rd street in Louisville that has done good work for him. I will look him up soon.

When I was a kid my dad had a body shop. So I grew up in a shop. I guess it's his fault that I'm a gear head. My grandfather had his own shop too. Worked for him for a few years.

Jamesbo

X 2 my friend. Luckily I've got one just up the road. Great folks

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