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Old Feb 9, 2017 | 10:10 AM
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Hello.

I just purchased a 1964 F-85 Club Coupe 442. It had been parked since 1982 from an owner in her eighties who bought the car in the seventies. I feel pretty good about its authenticity having verified the basics:

Dual snorkel air cleaner with applique
Data plate: Built in May, 2L Code
Emblems in place
Manual on floor
Rear sway bar

All of these items appear to be untampered with and covered with 35 years of dirt.

I will work to verify the trunk lid emblem clearance holes on the back side as soon as I can get into the trunk.

Are there any resources for very basic F-85 club coupes for 1964? Interior photos? Suppliers? It is not a Cutlass. Direction is appreciated. Thank you!
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Old Feb 9, 2017 | 10:15 AM
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Welcome to the site. Congrats on the 64. Others will chime in to help you authenticate it.
Old Feb 9, 2017 | 10:31 AM
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Welcome to the site! There are some members here with 1964 442's that can help you verify if its a factory 442 or a clone. There's not any sheet metal being reproduced, so if you need to replace or repair any rusted/damage panels you'll likely need used parts or to fabricate patch panels. Actually, there's not a lot of reproduction parts period for the 1964-65 Cutlass/442. But as you go through your restoration keep us in the loop. If you have questions or need to locate parts post away!

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Old Feb 9, 2017 | 10:33 AM
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Here's a thread that can help you connect with some 1964 442 owners.

https://classicoldsmobile.com/forums...your-help.html
Old Feb 9, 2017 | 10:38 AM
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Thank you!
Old Feb 9, 2017 | 10:42 AM
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Awesome

Congrats on purchasing a rare 442. Welcome to the site.
Old Feb 9, 2017 | 11:03 AM
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I am convinced its legit, very cool, keep posting picts of the resto!
Old Feb 9, 2017 | 12:18 PM
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Great find,congrats. I would be interested in the engine code prefixes stamped on the right front cylinder head. It should be TxxxxxxG and maybe another letter after the G. If you decide to sell,let me know and I might be a player. Is this the car that was for sale in Oregon by any chance?

Thanks
Old Feb 9, 2017 | 12:23 PM
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Yes it was. Any insights are appreciated.


Old Feb 9, 2017 | 12:24 PM
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The Granddaddy of them all! Congrats
Old Feb 9, 2017 | 12:30 PM
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Yes it was. Any insights are appreciated.


Thanks for posting the engine #. I had looked @ buying the car but I couldn't get the guy to check the trunk pans for me. I don't think there's any doubt the car is the real deal either.
Old Feb 9, 2017 | 12:38 PM
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Congrats and welcome to CO. I will be following along as well.
How long has that puppy been sitting? What a sweet and rare ride, nice.
Old Feb 9, 2017 | 12:42 PM
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I spent a lot of time back and forth via email, phone and text with him. It was his aunts car and she lived 10 miles away from him so it took a while to find things out although he was very helpful in the process.

All the 442s I find are Cutlasses. If this is real - which I suspect - it is one of the 148 club coupes. I also haven't found a 442 in Bermuda Blue - paint code H.
Old Feb 9, 2017 | 12:59 PM
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Welcome. Other will surely chime in, but that kinda looks to me like an aftermarket swaybar, maybe an Addco, hanging below (above?) the pumpkin.


Regardless, cool car. Best of luck!
Old Feb 9, 2017 | 01:20 PM
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More pics, please. Oops, damn. Wait...I had to wipe some drool off of my keyboard.
OK, whew. Now where were we? Front, back, sides, more underhood, interior???

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Old Feb 9, 2017 | 01:58 PM
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Congrats! Very cool car!!
Old Feb 10, 2017 | 01:55 PM
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Welcome to CO and congrats on the find! You were not kidding about 35 years of dust!
Old Feb 10, 2017 | 02:25 PM
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WOW, another "post car" and a 442 indeed. Nice! as mentioned there are several of us that have 64-65 A-body's under construction. Lot of brain power on this site for you.
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Old Feb 10, 2017 | 05:16 PM
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Yep, missed out on this one. Spoke to the seller multiple times but couldn't find anyone willing to drag it from Oregon to Florida. Tried finding local 442 members that could take a firsthand look at it, but no luck so had to pass. Wasn't will to shell out cash with no way to get it to Florida or confirm condition.
Old Feb 10, 2017 | 07:04 PM
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Took delivery today. Confirmed boxed control arms, multiple mounting holes for trailing arms, and pleasurizer shocks.

It is surely a project, but I am super excited!

I saw that it has a block off plate where the ash tray is supposed to be on the dash..thought that was cool...

Thanks for the welcome! I look forward to picking your brains as this unfolds...
Old Feb 11, 2017 | 09:31 AM
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That's not a block off plate -- the panel swivels from the center. Try pressing gently on one side (can't remember which) to access the ashtray.

Congrats on your find!
Old Feb 11, 2017 | 11:38 AM
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Welcome. Other will surely chime in, but that kinda looks to me like an aftermarket swaybar, maybe an Addco, hanging below (above?) the pumpkin.


Regardless, cool car. Best of luck!
I think the picture is upside down and looks like an OEM bar to me. I think as long as the car has been sitting,I doubt there's any aftermarket parts on it. Just my guess.
Old Feb 11, 2017 | 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by 66-3X2 442
I think the picture is upside down and looks like an OEM bar to me. I think as long as the car has been sitting,I doubt there's any aftermarket parts on it. Just my guess.
I just mentioned that because the bar hangs low and doesn't look to be articulated to clear the center section like the factory ones were. You're right though, the picture being upside down may be messing with my perception. But remember, when that car was put away it was already 18 years old -- plenty of time for previous owners to monkey with it. Those Addco bars were very popular additions in the 60's and 70's.

However, Asusport states that the control arms are boxed, so this probably isn't even a consideration.
Old Feb 13, 2017 | 04:43 PM
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I uploaded pics in the gallery if anyone is interested.
Old Feb 14, 2017 | 08:08 AM
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Congrats again

Originally Posted by Asusport
I uploaded pics in the gallery if anyone is interested.

I had a look at your pictures. No doubt you have a major project on your hands but you have an ultra rare 1964 442. Congrats on the purchase. I look forward to following the restoration thread.
Old Feb 14, 2017 | 09:46 AM
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Would you please post a picture of the underside of the decklid where the holes are punched for the 442 emblem placement. Thanks much.
Old Feb 14, 2017 | 09:49 AM
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Old Feb 14, 2017 | 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Asusport
Thanks,those holes appear to be punched rather than drilled. One way to help tell if the deck lid was an OEM 442 unit. It doesn't mean that the car is legit but it's one indicator to help document a car. Are the holes smooth or ragged like a drilled hole?
Old Feb 14, 2017 | 10:44 AM
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One hole is smooth - the one on the right, the one on the left is rougher.

The attached pic is the emblem. This car has had a repaint way back when - the emblem looks like it was removed for the repaint - no paint ridge around the emblem. I hear the studs on the back are different between 1964 and 1965 emblems and that the 1965s are the only ones reproduced. Thoughts?

UPDATE: The repaint was on the hood, the top of the car, and a few spot areas mostly on the passenger side. The emblems are over the original paint.



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Old Feb 14, 2017 | 12:29 PM
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If I'm not wrong,the 64 emblem studs are even/straight across and the 65 units are staggered.
Old Feb 14, 2017 | 01:39 PM
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That's an original emblem
Old Feb 14, 2017 | 06:40 PM
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The trunk holes appear original, but agree that the left hole seems more jagged. The gap between the two holes should be close to 5/16 of an inch.

What are the two numbers on the back of the block next to the distributor hole? Should be either 1 or 2 and then a number below 100.
Old Feb 15, 2017 | 07:00 AM
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Although grimey, the block looks to have a "2" and a "114"

The gap between the holes is about 7/16".

The trunk lid is from an original Bermuda Blue car.
Old Feb 15, 2017 | 07:43 AM
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I thought your original paint code was Bermuda blue? The Julian date precedes the build date, so likely the original engine!
Old Feb 15, 2017 | 07:47 AM
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My statement was confusing. It is a Bermuda Blue car and most likely the original trunk lid.

I am trying to be objective and scrutinize this car as much as anyone else to verify authenticity - at least as much as I can without POP or build sheet.

I appreciate everyone's input very much!
Old Feb 15, 2017 | 08:20 AM
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The 442's came with a 3:36 rear axle. This was not standard on non-442 manual transmission cars. What is your axle ratio?
Old Feb 15, 2017 | 08:23 AM
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Can I determine this without pulling the rear cover?
Old Feb 15, 2017 | 08:47 AM
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To the right side of the cover. The ratio is embossed in the axle tube.
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Old Feb 15, 2017 | 09:15 AM
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It say P 3.08.

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Old Feb 15, 2017 | 12:37 PM
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That's not correct for the 442. However, maybe the original owner requested the 3.08. With that said, 3.08 was the standard axle for all manual trans cars with a 330 and 2barrel carb, while the 4barrel 330 manual trans cars had a 3.23 as standard equipment.



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