Bryan Burch

I think I got a good deal. Working out the shipping/payment tomorrow.

Looks like a canuckistani build--is there a resource to find out more?
http://www.vinwiz.com/1965-1971gm.php?vin=3448791153328

http://r.ebay.com/ieV8qu

RROLDSX

I hope you realize you have insulted some of your northern neighbours.

Olds442redberet

It looks like you got a good price on it as well.

Looking forward to seeing pictures and hearing more about the car.

Bryan Burch

It was stated with love.

oldcutlass

Congrats

don71

Hea, way to go Bryan, looks like a nice one.

dgp1042

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dgp1042

I saw this car locally on Craigslist and thought it was a good buy.
http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/cto/5899499199.html

oldsmobiledave

Do any of those receipts show the car spending time in the Calgary Alberta area? That looks a lot like a car that a fellow named Paul used to own in Okotoks AB.

I think I have pictures of it and also recall the engine being rebuilt.

svnt442

Double check the VIN because what they have listed can't be correct.
34487910s560704

From what I can figure this should be correct...344879S560704

Not sure what plant the S is though.

Bryan Burch

Yeah the one listed there is not real. He sent me the CBP release with the VIN listed in the OP.

Bryan Burch

This is turning into a real chore. Got the car here, but he hasn't sent the Canadian registration, so I can't title it. I called the auction house owner he bought it from and the guy said he called a few days ago saying he had lost it.

The condition of the car is pretty shitty--nothing as described in the listing. Everything detailed/receipted on this car happened in 2009 or prior, except for the tires which have receipts from 2010. I believe the paint was applied with a broom. Now I know why the pictures were taken in the rain.

Yellowstatue

To check out documents on a Canadian car, go to george-gm@vintagevehicleservices.com / George Zapora in Oshawa Ontario. He works out of GM Canada HQ. Costs about $140 CDN. You get a package back showing all the options and the original owner and the original dealer the car was shipped to, plus the complete specs for the car.

oldsmobiledave

You never answered my question.

Bryan Burch

Sorry missed your post earlier. The receipts are all from Kelowna, BC.

oldsmobiledave

What is the oldest date on the receipt? I figure that is the car from Okotoks AB that I looked at 10 years ago & it sold & went to Kelowna BC or the owner (Paul) took it with him. I recall he was relocating for work but not sure where he went. If it is the same car there was a ton of $ put into the engine.

oldsmobiledave

Never mind. Found the pics of Paul's car on an old laptop. Same color combo but options are different.


Good luck with your car.

Bryan Burch

Thanks! Hopefully he's able to come up with the registration.

RetroRanger

The sellers feedback shows its not the first time he has sold w out the title and had issues producing paperwork

Mike77

Canada has registration only, no title documents. For $18.00 Canadian you can get a new registration document based on the VIN# from ICBC (Insurance Corporation of British Columbia) our Provincial insurance carrier. I do believe any ICBC Autoplan insurance broker can do that if it's within one year of previous insurance. If not within one year, you need to write to ICBC head office. However this will only get you the previous registered owner, a transfer of ownership document is then needed to make you the new owner in BC. How all that work out in your state is were things might get complicated.

PS. It looks like you did pretty good on the purchase price. Seems like a solid car that needs a little TLC to fix up. Do the little things and drive as you go. The only part of the paint you can see when driving is the hood!

Bryan Burch

I just noticed that. This was within the last month. His feedback was 100% clear when I bought the car. This has me worried.

Bryan Burch

At this point, any advice you can give me would be greatly appreciated. I have no faith that he'll be able to produce the registration, even though he at least had to have it to clear customs. So let's assume it's lost. He bought it from an auction house in BC in February of 2016. Whether or not it was insured is questionable. I have the bill of sale from his purchase at the auction house, the customs clearance form, and the bill of sale from my purchase from him. Do you think this is doable?

VI Cutty

All of his positive feedback are from him purchasing items. There are only two feedback items with him as a seller and both are negative.

Hope the OP is able to work out the registration problems...wonder if this is why the seller bought the car last year and never registered it himself.

Bryan Burch

Thanks, I'm crossing my fingers. He had to have had it to get it cleared customs. Last resort, I'll try a hail Mary and claim on ebay's protection plan if I can't get it titled.

Mike77

If you like I can inquire about getting you some registration documents. The registration will show the last registered owner in BC. If it's the same as whom you purchased it from it should be easy to get it "titled" in your state. A transfer of ownership document is only valid for 10 days in BC, it is then registered in the new owners name.

sammy

How can a car shipped across the border with no record of registration/ownership...did he self declare or use a broker/ trucking company?

Nice car btw

Mike77

something is not sounding right on this ownership documentation. The process to transfer ownership in BC. requires 1-sellers original ICBC registration(proves he owns the car) 2-buyer fills in Ownership Transfer document. 3-Buyer/seller present transfer document to ICBC (with-in 10 days) pay applicable tax.4-recieve new registration with buyer as new owner. The ownership Transfer document is only a temporary proof of ownership. It expires after 10 days. If it expires the before a new owner is registered the legal ownership reverts back to the seller. I just went through the ICBC legal stuff when I sold my motorhome last year.
To bring car to USA to sell the car needs to be imported, prove ownership, pay
applicable taxes. The guy you bought it from has to have correct ownership documents in order to legally sell this to you. If a broker was used and he is telling you someone from Canada needs to send documents then something doesn't sound right. Contact E-bay for advise. Do it before the expiry time to make a claim . I think it's 30 days so you better hurry.
Mike

dualquadpete

In Ontario you have 6 days to transfer ownership [title] legally,but!!! these "flippers] don't want to pay the 13% sales tax & no trace of them owning the vehicle, so they try to sell it with ownership still in original owners name. I think if you sell a certain # of vehicles in a year, Province considers you a dealer, & you need a lic. Agree with Mike 77 get on E bay O boy A$$ & file a complaint ASAP Pete

Mike77

That's what happened with my motorhome. I drove it to the guys place and completed the paper work. He never completed the transfer of ownership and register the MH in his name. Didn't want to pay the Tax. Was still legally owned by me. I could have literally taken the MH and re-sold it. Nothing he could have done. On the flip side if he illegally drove it and had an accident I would have been libel as the registered owner. Of course law suit would have been filed. Who needs that hassle. After a year the guy needs to move the MH and he can't license it or register it in his name because the transfer document expired. I had changed my phone#. Guy remember were I lived,shows up at my door and we fixed his problem. If I had moved he would have been SOL. The MH $25K would have been a parts car.
Bryan do you still need any help? Time is not on your side.
Mike

Bryan Burch

The car cleared US Customs, and a valid Canadian registration is one of the required documents when doing so. I have the clearance form from customs. However, it appears he lost the registration in between the time he bought the car in Feb 2016 and subsequently sold it to me in Dec 2016. He did use a broker/trucking company, JR Hulls, I believe. He said he's calling them to see if they have it. No word back from them yet.

Bryan Burch

Yeah, I think I do need help. I have:

1. US Customs and Border Protection Clearance Form (EDIT: the registration had to be present to clear)
2. Bill of Sale between him and the Canadian Auction House
3. Bill of Sale for my purchase
4. Car in my garage

He bought the car from the auction house in February 2015. Ebay says I have 90 days on title issues to make a claim. I really should make a claim now anyway due to the condition of the vehicle being grossly misrepresented.

Mike77

I will look into obtaining a replacement reg. for you tomorrow. Send me your VIN #. Looks like it'd within the one year window so It should be doable.

Mike

Bryan Burch

vin 3448791153328

Mike77

I will look into the ICBC reg. requirements. Your Vin# indicated an original Canadian car made in Quebec. Did you know the VIN you gave me is different than the one listed on the ebay advert.

PS ICBC closed today

Bryan Burch

The ebay advert shows the cowl tag nubmers.

RROLDSX

Easy, just drive it across and don't declare it.

Good luck, hope you can work this out.

Bryan Burch

Thanks, me too!

Olds442redberet

IMO: You're going to have to play hardball and use the title/registration issue as a way out of the deal. No registration equals no deal. Get your money back and make the seller come and get his car.
I bought a car from a dealer here in the states and he failed to get the title to me. In the end he came through, but only because I new the system and started putting real, as well as legal pressure on him.
It's sad to say but so many people out there really don't care about doing the right thing. Once they got the cash in their hands they've already moved on. And they have no real intension of finding the title. They'll just pay lip service until you give up.
My most recent Ebay purchase was also the same. The title was promised but never delivered. But I don't really need the title here in Alabama and I bought the car for the sum of it's parts. No big deal. I just left negative feedback stating the title issue so the next guy dealing with him knows what a scumbag the seller is.

I am very sorry you're going through this. It can be very stressful.

Mike77

What's the name of the Canadian Auction House? Adesa? What's the name of the guy you bought it from?

Bryan Burch

The Canadian auction house is Mackee Auctions (mackeeauctions.com) I called John Mackee a while ago and he told me that the seller (Peter) called him because he can't find the registration. He was nice, but wasn't much help.

The guy I bought it fromon ebay is Peter Harrett of Top Secret Customs http://www.topsecretcustoms.com/