Here it is, our new H/O category
November 25th, 2008, 08:58 AM
#41
'69 H/O
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Upstate NY
Posts: 47
mtwalet,
Great story. Thanks for sharing that with us. I never new the "flapper" assembly was ever painted red on some of the early ones. We are custom building some wireless industrial pump systems at work for a customer. The first few were all slightly different as we "adjusted" in a minor sense the materials and the methods to increase quality, efficiency and/or save cost. Eventually we "settled" into a consistant design, so I can understand how that can happen.
Welcome to the site.
Terry
Great story. Thanks for sharing that with us. I never new the "flapper" assembly was ever painted red on some of the early ones. We are custom building some wireless industrial pump systems at work for a customer. The first few were all slightly different as we "adjusted" in a minor sense the materials and the methods to increase quality, efficiency and/or save cost. Eventually we "settled" into a consistant design, so I can understand how that can happen.
Welcome to the site.
Terry
November 25th, 2008, 10:08 AM
#42
Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Richmond, TX
Posts: 190
When I re-did mine in '84, it was also badly faded except on the underside. I got a rattle can of gold from the hardware store and it matched exactly, so on that went! Still looks fine at this point. Not a problem when the car doesn't see the sun much.
November 25th, 2008, 11:43 AM
#43
Old Time Old's Fan
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: South Central Pennsylvania
Posts: 5
I have never seen nor heard of the headrest stripes being fabric. ALL I have seen (including my former car) were painted. BTW, some of the headrests were painted gold against the black headrest while others had a thin white stripe separating the black and gold.
Last edited by mtwalet; November 25th, 2008 at 11:53 AM. Reason: additional info
November 25th, 2008, 12:44 PM
#45
Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Richmond, TX
Posts: 190
I've never actually seen non-painted stripes on the cars either, but with those extremely early cars, it appears as though there may have been some differences.
November 25th, 2008, 03:40 PM
#46
Old Time Old's Fan
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: South Central Pennsylvania
Posts: 5
The July 69 Motorcade article mentions the headrest stripes being sewn-on. It also mentions the dash plaque saying it was car number 3. If you look at the factory press-release interior photos, you would also see a white pinstripe on the outside of the gold headrest stripes. Of course, those are from the same photo set that show hood locks on the car...
I've never actually seen non-painted stripes on the cars either, but with those extremely early cars, it appears as though there may have been some differences.
I've never actually seen non-painted stripes on the cars either, but with those extremely early cars, it appears as though there may have been some differences.
Possibly prototype cars?? I've seen early pictures of the proposed 69 H/O...... Rather weird.
November 25th, 2008, 07:26 PM
#47
Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 644
Terry may be able to add to this. At the Oldsmobile Homecoming in Lansing this year, I remember one of the 69 H/O's in the line had fabric headrest stripes. It looked "different" as I peered into the window (driver's side) so I confirmed things by touching it. I don't know if was an add-on or what, because I never got to speak to the owner of that car.
Also, I was talking to someone there who told me that Doc Watson had told him years ago that the gold for the headrest stripe was a chevy engine paint color. Anyone else heard that one?
Also, I was talking to someone there who told me that Doc Watson had told him years ago that the gold for the headrest stripe was a chevy engine paint color. Anyone else heard that one?
November 26th, 2008, 07:57 AM
#48
'69 H/O
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Upstate NY
Posts: 47
Sorry, don't recall noticing that in Lansing. There were a couple of '69's that came and went that I missed.
However, I do recall seeing one with gold fabric inserts on the headrests that was for sale last year in Nebraska, but It had a custom interior or possibly a cutlass or F85 variant interior. The interior design was identical to an original '69 H/O with respect to stitching, pleating, seat cover panel shape and size but with cloth, almost velourlike pleats on the door panels and seat panel inserts. I don't have a real good pic of it, but here's one from the back seat. (attached)
Notice the gold cloth headrest trim and cloth insert in the driver seat and the late model steering wheel (which looks really good in a '69 I might add).
Terry
However, I do recall seeing one with gold fabric inserts on the headrests that was for sale last year in Nebraska, but It had a custom interior or possibly a cutlass or F85 variant interior. The interior design was identical to an original '69 H/O with respect to stitching, pleating, seat cover panel shape and size but with cloth, almost velourlike pleats on the door panels and seat panel inserts. I don't have a real good pic of it, but here's one from the back seat. (attached)
Notice the gold cloth headrest trim and cloth insert in the driver seat and the late model steering wheel (which looks really good in a '69 I might add).
Terry
December 14th, 2008, 04:06 PM
#49
Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Philly
Posts: 99
....As far as i know the " FABRIC HEADREST " was only on the ..Proto-type...But my 69 H/O has the fabric..but that was done by the old owner...
December 14th, 2008, 04:07 PM
#50
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Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Philly
Posts: 99
Sorry, don't recall noticing that in Lansing. There were a couple of '69's that came and went that I missed.
However, I do recall seeing one with gold fabric inserts on the headrests that was for sale last year in Nebraska, but It had a custom interior or possibly a cutlass or F85 variant interior. The interior design was identical to an original '69 H/O with respect to stitching, pleating, seat cover panel shape and size but with cloth, almost velourlike pleats on the door panels and seat panel inserts. I don't have a real good pic of it, but here's one from the back seat. (attached)
Notice the gold cloth headrest trim and cloth insert in the driver seat and the late model steering wheel (which looks really good in a '69 I might add).
Terry
However, I do recall seeing one with gold fabric inserts on the headrests that was for sale last year in Nebraska, but It had a custom interior or possibly a cutlass or F85 variant interior. The interior design was identical to an original '69 H/O with respect to stitching, pleating, seat cover panel shape and size but with cloth, almost velourlike pleats on the door panels and seat panel inserts. I don't have a real good pic of it, but here's one from the back seat. (attached)
Notice the gold cloth headrest trim and cloth insert in the driver seat and the late model steering wheel (which looks really good in a '69 I might add).
Terry
December 15th, 2008, 12:08 PM
#51
'69 H/O
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Upstate NY
Posts: 47
Which car? The car in Lansing, or the car from Nebraska? Or are they one and the same?
If the Nebraska car, you got yourself one nice H/O at a very fair price. The seller seemed like a real nice guy too. You were one phone call ahead of me on it. Congratulations on your purchase.
If the Nebraska car, you got yourself one nice H/O at a very fair price. The seller seemed like a real nice guy too. You were one phone call ahead of me on it. Congratulations on your purchase.
December 15th, 2008, 01:19 PM
#52
Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Philly
Posts: 99
Which car? The car in Lansing, or the car from Nebraska? Or are they one and the same?
If the Nebraska car, you got yourself one nice H/O at a very fair price. The seller seemed like a real nice guy too. You were one phone call ahead of me on it. Congratulations on your purchase.
If the Nebraska car, you got yourself one nice H/O at a very fair price. The seller seemed like a real nice guy too. You were one phone call ahead of me on it. Congratulations on your purchase.
December 16th, 2008, 07:28 AM
#53
'69 H/O
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Upstate NY
Posts: 47
Well, you know how it is. Interests and priorities can change in life.
I did buy my first and only one last spring. Ironically, from right in your back yard....., across the river from you.
Again, you got a real nice car there. I love the look from the rear with the detailed gas tank and undercarriage ..... and the aluminum W27 diff cover....Cool
I did buy my first and only one last spring. Ironically, from right in your back yard....., across the river from you.
Again, you got a real nice car there. I love the look from the rear with the detailed gas tank and undercarriage ..... and the aluminum W27 diff cover....Cool
December 16th, 2008, 05:07 PM
#55
'69 H/O
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Upstate NY
Posts: 47
....spotted on a non-ebay fledging auction site in early summer '07, minimally motivated seller, followed up over a period of months finally went to look at end of November '07, made the deal this past spring. Took delivery at Thornton's after some minor detail work.
December 17th, 2008, 01:17 PM
#57
'69 H/O
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Upstate NY
Posts: 47
December 18th, 2008, 01:24 PM
#58
Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Philly
Posts: 99
..Your Engine compartment looks real nice......I gotta get mine atleast painted ..RED...lol.......And I gotta get an air cleaner too......I hate poppin the hood and not seeing the stock aircleaner in there..!!....But..atleast i put the original door panels on..Now i just gotta take the seats out and get the upholstery shop to put my new skins on..and get a steering wheel too.....and then Ill be GOOD for awhile...But..I have a ..72 trans /AM thats gettin re-done as i speak...and my Motor will be done for my 67 camaro this week..So I can mess around with that for the winter...So...? whens the last time you had your..H/O out..?? I had mine out last Sunday..puttin around..
...# 57...I know the rims are a more SILVERY but....I wanted it to look lil different...
December 29th, 2008, 12:35 PM
#62
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Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Chicago
Posts: 1,394
December 29th, 2008, 03:52 PM
#63
Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Richmond, TX
Posts: 190
For 1968, besides the color (which as red, matches the 88/98, not the blue Toro color), I've got a 6-18-68 document that lists the part number differences between a W-45 engine and a '98' engine. There are 37 differences listed. It then goes on to say that the a/c W-46 engine is based on the 1968 455 Police engine and lists 23 changes. The trans was a 442 W30 code OW trans with 3 changes.
For 1969, the engine is listed as a basic 35L32 engine (optional Delta 88 390hp engine) with 18 differences listed on a 4-17-1969 Hurst document. The trans was a code OH, which was a fullsized OL transmission with 10 changes.
Bottom line for 68/9, while many of the parts are still the same (between all models), they didn't even start with a Toro engine...
For 1969, the engine is listed as a basic 35L32 engine (optional Delta 88 390hp engine) with 18 differences listed on a 4-17-1969 Hurst document. The trans was a code OH, which was a fullsized OL transmission with 10 changes.
Bottom line for 68/9, while many of the parts are still the same (between all models), they didn't even start with a Toro engine...
July 6th, 2009, 02:17 PM
#66
Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Philly
Posts: 99
July 23rd, 2009, 01:34 PM
#67
My 73HO
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Zooo Jersey
Posts: 276
I like this section! I am of course jealous of you guys with the 68's & 69's because the 70 models will never be worth what your cars are. We all love our cars for different reason and my 1st car was a frog (forest) green 73 Cutlass so it was natural for me to want that year again. I own 4 Hurst/Olds currently, 3 U code with A/C and a V code that I am very excited about restoring next as it was the car I originally sought to buy when I began my toy collection. One of the 3 A/C cars is only in title, the car was stolen & never recovered.......
July 23rd, 2009, 07:44 PM
#68
Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Philly
Posts: 99
I like this section! I am of course jealous of you guys with the 68's & 69's because the 70 models will never be worth what your cars are. We all love our cars for different reason and my 1st car was a frog (forest) green 73 Cutlass so it was natural for me to want that year again. I own 4 Hurst/Olds currently, 3 U code with A/C and a V code that I am very excited about restoring next as it was the car I originally sought to buy when I began my toy collection. One of the 3 A/C cars is only in title, the car was stolen & never recovered.......
Last edited by 666 the legend; July 23rd, 2009 at 07:47 PM.
July 24th, 2009, 06:10 PM
#69
My 73HO
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Zooo Jersey
Posts: 276
Yea the white ones carry that classic H/O look like yours. When this restoration of Rusty is complete I think I'm going to sell the nice one I drive now and look for a white V code next....But thats way way way in the future.
November 26th, 2009, 07:54 PM
#70
Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 6
I just picked up a 74 H/O W30 car. Unfortunately the motor is mia but it is otherwise complete. Very rusty but all the h/o specific parts are present and accounted for. White car, one of 380 W30 cars built from what I found. Also have a real clean 74 442 that may become a doner car to revive the H/O.
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