cutlass ciera swap
#1
cutlass ciera swap
ok, i have a 89 cutlass ciera with a 2.8. i am thinking about geting the 3.8 supercharge III engine, now i am not sure if i would have to change my tranny. and if i did i am worried about my half shafts. not sure if i could get half shafts the right size to fit to my car. if anyone has some advice on this and help me out that would be great. thanks.
#2
ok, i have a 89 cutlass ciera with a 2.8. i am thinking about geting the 3.8 supercharge III engine, now i am not sure if i would have to change my tranny. and if i did i am worried about my half shafts. not sure if i could get half shafts the right size to fit to my car. if anyone has some advice on this and help me out that would be great. thanks.
#3
ok, i have a 89 cutlass ciera with a 2.8. i am thinking about geting the 3.8 supercharge III engine, now i am not sure if i would have to change my tranny. and if i did i am worried about my half shafts. not sure if i could get half shafts the right size to fit to my car. if anyone has some advice on this and help me out that would be great. thanks.
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Fred
#4
You are def going to need the tranny. The motor you're looking at will require the 4t65 transmission. Not only is it strong enough to hold up, but I know the 4t40/4t45 trannies won't bolt right up, so I doubt the tranny to have will. Plus the axles are thicker and you'll need bigger hubs to mount the front spindles on.
Don't forget the PCM and the BCM. You cannot run this motor without that.
You may be better off swapping in a 3400 motor instead. The 3400 motor is a great motor to modify and if modded enough it will be a faster motor than the 3800 s/c, at least the gen I motor which only has 225 hp. My Alero with the3400 has that, if not more. It takes more than 225 hp to run a 3300 lb car down the 1/4 mile in 14.5 seconds
The 3400 motor should bolt right in place. I'm not to sure if it will bolt in place of an 89, 2.8 motor, but the 2.8 is also a 60* V6 motor. I don't know how much has changed from 89 to 2000+
I know the Fireo guys don't have much problem putting a 3400 in place of the 2.8.
I've seen 3400 Aleros in person, and on Aleromod, running 12.80's in the 1/4 mile with a s/c and all stock internals. There are also a few Grand Am guys running in the low 13's with just bolt ons, ported heads and a cam.
I plan on doing a cam swap in my Alero in a few years. However that will happen when I get a new (or remanfactured) long block direct from GM with a wanranty. The 3400's are used in many different cars and minivans so they are out there. You can even pick one up on eBay for about $500, complete.
Don't be down, wheater you go 3400, or 3800 s/c, it can be done, but I think you'll be happier with the 3400. Modding a 3400 and swapping it, will probably cost the same as a stock 3800 s/c, but IMHO the 3400 is a better choice
Guys on here can help you out more www.60degreev6.com
Don't forget the PCM and the BCM. You cannot run this motor without that.
You may be better off swapping in a 3400 motor instead. The 3400 motor is a great motor to modify and if modded enough it will be a faster motor than the 3800 s/c, at least the gen I motor which only has 225 hp. My Alero with the3400 has that, if not more. It takes more than 225 hp to run a 3300 lb car down the 1/4 mile in 14.5 seconds
The 3400 motor should bolt right in place. I'm not to sure if it will bolt in place of an 89, 2.8 motor, but the 2.8 is also a 60* V6 motor. I don't know how much has changed from 89 to 2000+
I know the Fireo guys don't have much problem putting a 3400 in place of the 2.8.
I've seen 3400 Aleros in person, and on Aleromod, running 12.80's in the 1/4 mile with a s/c and all stock internals. There are also a few Grand Am guys running in the low 13's with just bolt ons, ported heads and a cam.
I plan on doing a cam swap in my Alero in a few years. However that will happen when I get a new (or remanfactured) long block direct from GM with a wanranty. The 3400's are used in many different cars and minivans so they are out there. You can even pick one up on eBay for about $500, complete.
Don't be down, wheater you go 3400, or 3800 s/c, it can be done, but I think you'll be happier with the 3400. Modding a 3400 and swapping it, will probably cost the same as a stock 3800 s/c, but IMHO the 3400 is a better choice
Guys on here can help you out more www.60degreev6.com
#5
Don't be down, wheater you go 3400, or 3800 s/c, it can be done, but I think you'll be happier with the 3400. Modding a 3400 and swapping it, will probably cost the same as a stock 3800 s/c, but IMHO the 3400 is a better choice
Guys on here can help you out more www.60degreev6.com
Guys on here can help you out more www.60degreev6.com
#6
Actually I wasnng about the 3.4 twin cam motor, but that would be a good choice too.
I was talking about the 3400 SFI motor that's in the 99 to 04 Alero, as well as many other cars and Minivans
This is an old pic of my motor. All the red wire loom is gone and the valve cover is power coated black wrinkle
I was talking about the 3400 SFI motor that's in the 99 to 04 Alero, as well as many other cars and Minivans
This is an old pic of my motor. All the red wire loom is gone and the valve cover is power coated black wrinkle
#8
The series 3 uses drive by wire. There is stuff available to make it work with a cable throttle, but it might be cheaper going with a series 2. I would definately not go with the 3.4(dohc or pushrod). The 3.8 sc makes alot more power than both of them without any mods. Plus the 3.8 is one of gm's most reliable engines they have. I used to have a 95 Monte with the dohc 3.4 and I hated it. It extremely hard and expensive to work on and it had problems that no mechanic could figure out. Im glad it was totalled!! One good thing abou was it had good power. Even the 3.4 push rod engines are not as easy to work on as the 3.8. The good thing about running the supercharged 3.8 is that you can change the supercharger pulley and gain a good amount of power, there is also alot of perf. parts available for that engine for a decent price, even turbos. You will definately want the trans that came with the engine because it is an hd trans with a stronger diff and half shafts.
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