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Old Nov 26, 2016 | 06:35 AM
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Looking to clone the 1970 hurst olds

I"ve been toying with the ideal of cloning the 1970 cutlass sx hurst olds. Is there any good pictures or details out there to pull this off. I know of the one picture on the web but was hoping on more information.
Old Nov 26, 2016 | 06:52 AM
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Old Nov 26, 2016 | 08:12 AM
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I"ve been toying with the ideal of cloning the 1970 cutlass sx hurst olds. Is there any good pictures or details out there to pull this off. I know of the one picture on the web but was hoping on more information.
This is the only photo I know of but I have copies of the order sheets showing all the options that were on it. Good luck with the power sunroof! The original car still exists, albeit with a wrecked front end. Hope it finally sees daylight and restoration shop someday.



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Old Nov 26, 2016 | 08:26 AM
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X2 One of my favorite combo's, the Supreme roof-line w/ Black & Hurst Gold popped. The door decals though seemed proportionally too large. Still another 'what might have been...'


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Old Nov 26, 2016 | 09:13 AM
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I have access to a 72 hurst olds sunroof car body only complete sunroof
Old Nov 26, 2016 | 09:27 AM
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Terry,

What's the back story on the original car? Where is it today?
Old Nov 26, 2016 | 10:53 AM
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Terry,

What's the back story on the original car? Where is it today?
Pink order form shows a 10-15-69 order date for a black SX W32. Pink form shows "Magazine Test Car, Hurst Prototype". Order card is dated 11/25/69 to J. Wangers, Hurst Performance. "1970 Hurst Prototype Car per J. Beltz(?)". "Special Instructions: SX, W32, add W25."

The car was then sold on 3/12/70 to Key Olds. The Mattioli family, owners of Pocono Raceway, had it for a number of years then it was purchased by the current owner (as of about 5 years ago) at a NYC metro salvage auction in 1978. Got smashed head on and had damage back to the firewall. That's where the trail ends.

What a great looking car. The first SX I ever remember seeing in the late 90s was in an ad by a guy liquidating a huge junkyard-style collection in Alabama. The Hurst car reminded me of that one immediately. I hope it was rescued.





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Old Nov 26, 2016 | 12:41 PM
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Any idea where the picture was taken? I would guess in the south with the time frame the car was built and in Hurst possesion. The grass and crops are still green.

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Old Nov 26, 2016 | 12:55 PM
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june or july looking at how high the corn appears...
Old Nov 26, 2016 | 01:21 PM
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june or july looking at how high the corn appears...
Car was built in November 1969 and was off to Key Olds by March 1970. From the pic, I'd agree with you though. I just realized that the black Olds is barely in this pic too, presumably taken the same day and place. I just saw that exact Chrysler at MCACN last week - it was really cool.

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I also just found that I created a web page with all the documentation on the car several years ago. Forgot about that. Enjoy:

http://www.highoctaneauto.com/1970%2...ype%20Page.htm
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If anyone knows who ended up with the original documentation for the car, from the Ebay auction, please send me a pm. Thank you.
Old Nov 26, 2016 | 01:39 PM
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If anyone knows who ended up with the original documentation for the car, from the Ebay auction, please send me a pm. Thank you.
PM sent on what I have in my records....
Old Nov 26, 2016 | 03:41 PM
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That car is currently in the Chicago area.
Old Nov 26, 2016 | 04:02 PM
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Any ideal if the car is for sale. And who owns it.
Old Nov 26, 2016 | 04:31 PM
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Not for sale and don't want to give any names.... sorry
Old Nov 26, 2016 | 04:40 PM
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Unfortunately the car has been sitting outside for years, and currently is not a pretty site. The car has a 1 of 1 rear spoiler that never made it into production. I spoke with the current owner of the original car earlier this month and unless it has sold since then, the car is not in Illinois.
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Unfortunately the car has been sitting outside for years, and currently is not a pretty site. The car has a 1 of 1 rear spoiler that never made it into production. I spoke with the current owner of the original car earlier this month and unless it has sold since then, the car is not in Illinois.
I heard that from the owner as well - that it was outside for a long time. Bob G. (Last name withheld for his privacy) was the owner I was emailing with as recently as Feb. 2011. He was supposed to send me current pics but never did. Mark Fletcher, who was writing a major Hurst book, reached out to me and I tried to connect the two at the time. I don't think he and Bob spoke, unfortunately.
Old Nov 27, 2016 | 05:39 AM
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So the items special to the car are the sun roof,gold stripes,hurst badges and rear spoiler which doesn't show up in the picture.
Old Nov 27, 2016 | 05:45 AM
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And a pretty nice roof ornament as well
Old Nov 27, 2016 | 08:05 AM
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Unfortunately I imagine the roof ornament is showing some age by now.
Old Nov 27, 2016 | 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Paladin31
X2 One of my favorite combo's, the Supreme roof-line w/ Black & Hurst Gold popped. The door decals though seemed proportionally too large. Still another 'what might have been...'

Brett
I agree. The door decals take away from the car, but I'm sure they were oversized for their advertising effectiveness. I would leave them off the finished clone.
Old Nov 27, 2016 | 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by vette442
This is the only photo I know of but I have copies of the order sheets showing all the options that were on it. Good luck with the power sunroof! The original car still exists, albeit with a wrecked front end. Hope it finally sees daylight and restoration shop someday.



Terry
Is the stainless trim gold anodized on this Hurst, or is it just the way the sun is hitting on it? Too bad no one knows what the rear spoiler looks like - I would guess it was a low duck tail type spoiler blended into the quarter panel end caps.

Was it sold to Key Oldsmobile in Michigan or another state?

I wonder if the Hurst Corporation has any additional photos, or maybe the Pocono Raceway/Dr. Mattioli's Family might have additional photos.

Rats...to now know that the Hurst was only a few miles away and never knew it.

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Old Nov 27, 2016 | 02:55 PM
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From the picture looks like the front grills are blacked out the rims looked to be painted gold no side chrome and it looks like the side stripe is gold.
Old Nov 27, 2016 | 03:20 PM
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W-25 and SX

It has long been established that no SX ever left the factory with a W-25 hood.

So...... what about this car? Do the documents show a W-25 equipped SX?
Old Nov 27, 2016 | 04:48 PM
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It has long been established that no SX ever left the factory with a W-25 hood.

So...... what about this car? Do the documents show a W-25 equipped SX?
I do not see the W-25 option penciled onto the Cutlass Supreme Wholesale order form like the W-32 option, or listed on the bill of sale, but they are a bit blurry on my computer and I might be overlooking it. It may had been shipped later to Hurst for the prototypes conversion if it was erroneously not included on the order form or Hurst decided later to add the W-25 package.
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Originally Posted by anthonyP
I do not see the W-25 option penciled onto the Cutlass Supreme Wholesale order form like the W-32 option, or listed on the bill of sale, but they are a bit blurry on my computer and I might be overlooking it. It may had been shipped later to Hurst for the prototypes conversion if it was erroneously not included on the order form or Hurst decided later to add the W-25 package.
Read the "Special Instructions" line in the middle.

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Originally Posted by vette442
Read the "Special Instructions" line in the middle.

Oops....did not notice that instruction. What is this form used for? It looks like a sign out and usage log for a particular vehicle. Just curious Terry, do you know why the W-25 was noted on this form and not the Wholesale Order form?
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1970 hurst

revisiting this tread. I've been contacted by a magazine editor and a restoration shop who would love to restore this car. Reaching out to get someone who can get me in touch with the owner. A cash reward
thanks
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The car is very rough. The owner does not want to be bothered by people inquiring about the car. Have pictures of the car from approximately two years ago...not pretty.

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sounds like another "i"ll get around to it someday"cars.sadly that day never comes.
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Great discussion! I never knew about this 1970 Hurst / Olds prototype before I read this thread. Since it sounds like the original car is "gone" it would be neat to build a clone for it. As far as the roof, a section from a 1972 Cutlass or Skylark could be used.

For what it is worth, I am aware of 2 businesses that went by the name "Key Oldsmobile":
  1. Key Oldsmobile (later Key Motor Mall once they started selling Nissan and Isuzu alongside Oldsmobile) was an Oldsmobile dealership at 2446 E 12 Mile Road (near Dequindre) in Warren, Michigan, exactly two miles east of GM's Warren Technical Center. Key Motor Mall closed in the late 2000s. It has an unusual showroom which can be seen here. This site is now home to 3 businesses: Madani Muslim Community Service (in the old new car showroom), M53 Auto Sales (at the former used car lot) and Tech2Auto Collision (in the former body shop).
  2. Key Oldsmobile was a stand-alone Oldsmobile dealership located at 5711 Scarborough Boulevard in Columbus, Ohio. This became a used car dealership in 2005. This address is now Germain Toyota
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It appears someone else had a similar idea as Vanguard Motors in Plymouth, Michigan had a similar "clone" for sale back in 2015:



Vanguard owns their inventory and buys vehicles from both classic car auctions and local sales.

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Still exists

Update on original car. It does in fact still exist. It has been rescued from the elements and is now being stored under roof.
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Please Do Not put a spoiler on a Supreme or ragtop. It's blasphemy. See how that factory car doesn't have one?

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Skylark roof?? Yeah no Skylark ever had that roofline. Cutlass Supreme roof was only Cutlass Supreme.

PS: To the original poster. Did you ever build one?
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I recall from somewhere ..... ?

the original '70 Hurst/Olds project "CONCEPT/IDEAS" became the RALLYE 350 after management (& vision) at Hurst and/or Oldsmobile changed

& the above '70 Supreme would've been a one off HURST promotion car (and eventually the basis for the returning '72 H/O)

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Old Nov 21, 2021 | 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr Shifty Sidney
Any idea where the picture was taken? I would guess in the south with the time frame the car was built and in Hurst possesion. The grass and crops are still green.

Don W
Numerous people have confirmed that location is York, PA. Evidently there was a drag strip there back in the day.
Old Mar 4, 2023 | 12:44 PM
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Resurrection!

The car has been purchased and will be at the H/OCA Nationals in Gettysburg this summer.

The owner has sent me materials for an article in the next Thunder & Lightning.
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This car came out of Perkasie, PA. The previous owner (Aaron) lost the car due to the aftermath of foreclosure. Sad story actually as Aaron died shortly after losing the car. Aaron's Mom thinks the stress of losing the car contributed to his death. Front clip was missing after taking a hard hit, think back in the '70s, may have had frame damage as well, not sure. Not much left and/or salvageable of the original car after sitting outside and unprotected for many decades. Cool, "one of" rear spoiler. If farmed out, this car will take a LOT of money and hours to restore.

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