I purchased an E block with C heads. Nearest I can tell is the heads are from a 1967 442 with a 400 4b. The head has a V223151G on it. Is there anything else this number tells us? I attached a picture of the number.

Last time i asked about a 1972 block and someone told me the number indicated it was from a B body and confirmed a story I was told that it came from a delta88.

Thanks for any info.

 

V223151G - is the 23,151st High-Compression 400 assembled

in a perfect world - It would be from the 23,151st 442 built mid-June '67 out of 24,829.

..... but since inventories weren't tightly managed 2 weeks (or more) either way would be possible.

 

It would be from the 23,151st 442 built mid-June '67 out of 24,829.

Oh thats cool period correct replacement.
My frame had a date on it 5/26/1967 but is there any way to tell when it would have been assembled? Does the number on the body "Inside the door jam" tell me anything?
I think it had a 338177Mxxxxx?
M built in Lansing
33817 Holiday Coupe
Thanks

 

The cowl tag will have an assembly date on it two #'s = month and one letter = week. Such as 06A = June 1st week '67 in this case

 

also - Lansing, MI June '67 VIN range is ~ 7M365xxx to 7M395xxx (give or take a few).

 

Doh.. I read that before someware, oops, thanks for reminding me.
Looks like I have second week of June.
Thanks again.

 

I will look at the tag when i get home, you guys are like awsome detectives.

 

How do you know that? 442s were assembled at multiple plants concurrently, and the engine unit numbers were not instantaneously assigned from a central computer (which didn't exist in 1967). More likely, a block of unit numbers was assigned to each assembly plant for the given model year, so a higher number could have been used at one plant before a lower number was used at another.

 

ok it is 33817M374101
But from what i see without any build sheet or protecto plate this ID does not tell me much correct??
What is the number near the distributor 114?
Does it mean the engin was built on the 114th day of the year?

 

A cast 114 would/could indicate the Julian casting date of the block, 114 is 4/24 (I think we can "assume" the year to be 1967).

 

True, 3 plants assembled 442s - how many assembled engines?

 

Technically, that is an Ordinal date code as opposed to a Julian date code, but no matter.
We don't have to assume here. What is the single digit cast number above the date code? That is the "mold number". Probably a 5 or maybe even a 6 which would be correct for a '67.

 

Do I understand correctly that the engine here did not come from this car?

Regardless, the body tag reveals interesting options. Power drivers bucket and a reclining passenger bucket seat without headrests. (Headrests were recommended but not required with the recliner).
A 442 for sure, tinted windows, AC, Auto Console, power antenna, rear speaker, rear defog, deluxe seat belts.

 

I'm guessing all of them. This is why you could only buy W-30s built in Lansing - only the Lansing engine line performed the select-fit assembly. If all engines came from Lansing, you would have been able to buy W-cars built in any 442 assembly plant.

 

All Olds V8 production engines were machined and assembled in the engine plant in the Lansing complex, including those that went to the BOP plants.
And thus the engine unit numbers were coming consecutively from one place.
But that does make a complexity of what engines (in the overall sequence) went to other plants. 10 at a time? 20 at a time? 100? It is still reasonable to loosely tie the unit numbers to a time-frame of the production year.

W-cars were made in Lansing as were all "specialty production" cars including police cars. The "select fit" of the engines were part of the reason, I'm sure. but not because engines were made elsewhere.

 

Kurt, do you have a technical bulletin from Olds documenting the usage of ordinal VS. Julian dates?

from Wikipedia:
I had intended my "in a perfect world" comment to cover any non-sequential use of engines due to shipping/parts counter/warranty or other mishaps such as the 9 High-Compression 400 4bbls installed in non-442 a-bodies.

Does anyone have an original engine car (or POP) from a June '67 Framingham or Fremont car that can share the "engine unit number"?

Has anyone seen a vintage UAW calendar or have knowledge of the number of days/dates union employees worked and or dates of strikes that occured during the muscle car years? I know Kurt made a post in another thread about the 67 day strike in late '70, anyone have the specific dates?

 

I would have expected one, but as WP says, the Julian term would only apply in the Gregorian Calendar. I think the later move to metrics did not include a shift to the Gregorian Calendar.
I should just leave well enough alone, as it seem almost everyone incorrectly refers to it a Julian date code, and we know what they mean. So when in Rome.....

Of course. And that is why I said "It is still reasonable to loosely tie the unit numbers to a time-frame of the production year." Its not as if this is an exact science here. We always need to keep in mind why they did what they did. And the answer *always* is that they *didn't* do it to document the cars as we are trying to do!

We would need a lot more data like this to establish a credible pattern. Anything we could gain here would help


I was able to determine that the UAW did indeed use a Gregorian calendar.......

 

Correct the engin did not come from this car
I got it for $500 because it was frozen up, not an origional carb and it seemed kind of correct for a replacement for the 455 that was in the car.
Oh yea Rallypack, UHV ignition,Tilt, and Cruse
Oh no, all that is now on the list of things to do!
I am a little over whelmed here.
I think this spring i might start on striping and priming whatever i can on the shell.
Thanks for all the input on this.