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Am I the only one that doesn't like this foolish trend? If a car needs a paint job, it needs a paint job! I don't understand the trend of clearcoating over a faded, rusty paint job and calling it good. Anyone else feel this way, or am I the minority?
well..there a diff between patina and what you are describong
i love untouched patina cars...the stuff they do with CLR and clearing is something new..like rat rods...not my cup of tea...but at least theres a direction and a reason to save cars...and as bad and as fast as the old car hobby is going away...anything to help it is worth living with...even donks..although..i really aint a fan...
Last edited by marxjunk; Dec 13, 2015 at 06:38 PM.
I'm sorry, I just don't understand wanting to leave a car faded looking, cleared or not. If someone likes it like that it's their car to do what they want, it's just not for me. I happen to like a nicely painted car. No disrespect to anyone, just my opinion, and we all know what those are worth!
my 49 olds is all original,runs great and needs paint,so i should leave it in the garage?the original lacquer is thin,and has brown specs in it(it's seafoam green) if i paint it it, will ruin the originality. my .03
Faded paint is not original either, they didnt come from the factory that way. But each to his own. I also dont care for the patina look, some rat rods are pretty cool, but not for me. I want it to look like it came from the factory, although most of our cars were not clear coated from the factory, mine will be.
I like barn find style patina., as long as its not complete crap . I hate fake patina ., but to each their own. The front end of my olds is rocking black primer and i did flames into the door so it wouldnt look so hillbilly lol. I hate the way it looks but oddly enough alot of people like it. For me it was a means to an end. I have no time at the moment to do my body work and money to afford the material.
to put it inprespective here is my car back in 2009
here it is in current form . More people like it how it is now than how it was. I personally am not fond of it but it is what it is. To be honest it might not look as good as it used to but its actually much much better mechanically than it was when i first got it done . It was restored , wrecked , i put on fiberglass fenders and hood then went back to steel. which explains the need for primer lol
I think there is a place for patina. Jensenracing77 recently bought another Jetfire. I believe it's all original, paint, interior, engine, etc... The way it is shows how it came from the factory flaws & all. If he "restores" the car, sure it will probably be nicer than it ever was from the factory but it will lose some of the cool factor. Now if the car was badly rusted, repainted, missing parts, etc.. then patina is not quite as cool & a restoration would be a better option in my book.
Some cars really deserve a repaint. On the other hand, some cars have just the right amount of wear and tear to justify leaving them as is. I would call that wear and tear patina.
And as mentioned earlier, some of us don't have the funds to get our old cars repainted, even if we wanted to, we couldn't. So we do what we can.
I'll buy an original unmolested car with faded original paint before I'll buy a restored car. I have a better idea of what I am getting. Plus I like old cars. LOL
would ya paint a 10.000 mile W30 4 sped convert if the paint was checked..also called patina?..no way it takes the value away for what the car is...those old cars where lucky to have good paint at 10 years old let alone 40 or 50 years later...
ya want to paint it..do it..ya wanna leave it..leave it alone..i'm good with it...faux it all up to be cool andin the "in" crowd and it sucks...but if ya want that..i guess its ok too
It seems to be a sort of reverse snobbery, but to me it doesn't have lasting appeal. In a few years it will look way out of date. It is already becoming 'me too' common.
I bought this genuine desert rat car because it is a exceedingly rare body style for 1952 in Oldsmobile, and it was at a price I could afford. It came to me in Ohio from outside of Tucson, actually near the Mexican border, and was in California 35yrs before that. Maybe someone here recalls it for sale at the Arizona show a few years ago. I drove it to a local show with my family after repairs and was totally floored when it won the grand prize. I am tired of being asked to sell, and am shocked at the interest in the rat appeal.
I love older cars and everything they represent. For me, there is more to a car than its paint and shine. Hearing the stories people tell about their rides are always interesting.
Some stories are simple and others elaborate. Why do we have the one (or more) that we have? Maybe it is complete. Maybe it is a work in progress. A separate purpose may be given to each vehicle.
Seeing restored gems that are brought back from a literal discarded state are amazing. The amount of work shows the passion people they have for their ability and results.
The cars here are great. But the people on Classic Oldsmobile are what makes this venture most worthwhile.
So, my 67 442 will remain in its survivor condition, chips, nicks, family inflicted dents and all. Like it or not, it works for me.
Coldwar your car is a fine example of real patina. Its a survivor. sure it needed some repairs but it wears its age well and personally i think your car is tasteful .
If I may comment, I think the sticking point is over "fake patina." Real wear is earned, and faking it is just as bad as cloning a car; you're trying to buy provenance. It's like fake wear on repopped porcelain signs; it's just gay.
Different strokes for different folks. I like painted shiny cars. I think there are cases where they should not be painted like when they are very low mileage. I don't like the trend to black wheels. I don't like the flat paint jobs. However those are my likes and opinions which I am entitled to. I am not entitled to force them on anybody else. If somebody wants a trailer queen, that is okay. If they want to keep it just like it came out of a barn, fine. I like them to look like they did when there were new. My 10 cents which is worth less than a nickel.
If I may comment, I think the sticking point is over "fake patina." Real wear is earned, and faking it is just as bad as cloning a car; you're trying to buy provenance. It's like fake wear on repopped porcelain signs; it's just gay.
Exactly! I guess I should have been more specific at what I was getting at. It is the trend of some high dollar builds that leave the body looking like a junkyard dog, then proudly proclaiming how great the "original" patina is. The rest of the car is typically anything but original. I can understand not being able to afford to completely restore, or restomod, a car and driving it around unfinished. That makes sense to me. It is the fascination with doing a great job on a rebuild then leaving it looking unfinished on purpose that I don't get. But like I said before, it's just my opinion. Obviously others disagree, and that's fine, but it ain't for me!
It seems to be a sort of reverse snobbery, but to me it doesn't have lasting appeal. In a few years it will look way out of date. It is already becoming 'me too' common.
I bought this genuine desert rat car because it is a exceedingly rare body style for 1952 in Oldsmobile, and it was at a price I could afford. It came to me in Ohio from outside of Tucson, actually near the Mexican border, and was in California 35yrs before that. Maybe someone here recalls it for sale at the Arizona show a few years ago. I drove it to a local show with my family after repairs and was totally floored when it won the grand prize. I am tired of being asked to sell, and am shocked at the interest in the rat appeal.
Thank you for posting pictures of your car! I would have voted your car a winner also.It took a long time to get that car to look that way!Congrats on your grand prize win and for finding your car.I would be proud to drive and own a car like that.
I'm one of the biggest offenders with my 62 wagon, and I'm definitely sick of the look, but to be honest, I probably get more looks and comments at cruise nights than if the car were fully restored. Also, there's something to be said for having an old car that you can just hose the dust off, jump in, and drive.
I'm not impressed by the clear-coat patina body on a late model chassis, like the Buick that was in Hot Rod a few months ago. Even worse is the fauxtina look. At the Syracuse Nationals a few years ago there was a fauxtina'd 1950s pickup with GLOSSY clear over the paint.
Original actual weathered earned 'patina' = meh, OK
Fake painted on patina paint scheme (as Joe_p says 'fauxtina') = Pointless desperate grasp at legitimacy.
i'm not into rat rods, flat black, primer, rust, wrap, satin finish..... I respect a glossy paint job because i know that effort it takes having done it and maintain it. i have a huge beef with rat rods. they are typically in violation of just about EVERY safety standard there is. they are like rolling tetnus! satin black/murdered out look is super lame and done to death.
im far from one of these "we are all car guys" people. thats like saying," we both breathe so lets be pals" I'm into the car stuff that i am into and thats it. That doesnt mean i will walk up to someone and hate on their car....but it also doenst mean i'mma kiss butts because they are "car guys too". I really just ignore stuff i'm not into. Its a shame people are scared to come out and say that for fear of ridicule.
I personally dont care if and when people ridicule my cars except for one comment. you wanna comment on body work, cleanliness, look, whatever.. i dont care but if you say "too bad its an automatic" i will probably start running my mouth.
i'm not into rat rods, flat black, primer, rust, wrap, satin finish..... I respect a glossy paint job because i know that effort it takes having done it and maintain it. i have a huge beef with rat rods. they are typically in violation of just about EVERY safety standard there is. they are like rolling tetnus! satin black/murdered out look is super lame and done to death.
I dislike most rat rods too. I build vehicles to perform certain functions. How they look is a byproduct of that. I don't like vehicles in which function follows form, particularly when they are carefully built to look like crap. My vehicles often look worse than a rat rod, but I like to think they are well engineered. My '63 Jeep J300:
That said, some rat rods are very well put together and deserve my admiration.
When we were kids we thought having a car all 1 color was great. We also thought that grey primer was a color. I can take or leave the new patina style, as with others each to their own.
My wife and I enjoy looking at all the older cars, no mater what paint job,engine or interior has been done to them. To us they all look great. The best part of it all is meeting car guys/gals with different ideas and interests. This is what keeps this hobby going. If everything looked the same it would get boring fast.
As others have said, There are places for it. For me, I love the story that comes with a car. A car with zero history of former owners are nothing to me unless there is enough for me to attempt to track it's former owners. Our original paint 62 Jetfire will never be painted as long as I own it and as long as it is never wrecked. It has bumps and bruises but the history of the car and the fact that it is original paint makes me love it all the more. I don't only want to preserve the car as it is, I want to preserve the knowledge of the cars past. The original owner to the car put forth extra effort to preserve the car in great condition with service contracts and a Wolfs Head lube contract. I have all the paper work of all the services to the car. For the memory of the original owner that I never knew I want to continue what she started.
Now for the 4 speed Jetfire I just got. It was already painted in its past. I also have limited history information other than the original 1962 title. The car was parked in 1974 and never seen the light of day till this year. Most of the history vanished over the 41 years of it sitting. This car will someday be completely restored. The "patina" on it means nothing to me because it is a repaint with little history. If I had to sell one, the 4 speed car would be the first to go because of the lack of history alone.
Each person loves cars in there own way. Some things I am not into but at least they are having fun with there version of the hobby.
The old faded paint may be the original paint, but the lack of complete coverage, faded, the chips, scratches, primer showing, rusty areas showing, is what i meant when i said it didnt come from the factory. I think my meaning was obvious. I love that 52, very cool car, but if it were mine id paint it. Again each to his or her own.
I like patina, real ones. Nothing wrong with preserving a car as is. Born with comes to mind, and I like that too.
On the other hand I like resto mods and chopped tops. To each their own. Stock modified,whatever.
I'm glad my car is not fresh anymore, that was 15 yrs. ago. I'm referring to the restoration. Man, I worried about the finish too much. Now I feel a lot different, just get in and enjoy.
Those scratches are not as important now. No different that owning a new car.
My good friend said to me years ago, "Don, your just saving time".
The old guy in me, now says "yea, for someone else"
We all like and dislike some things because we are all different. That's why they make chocolate milkshakes, not everyone wants vanilla or strawberry.
The thing I hate is painted bumpers/trim. Factory built painted bumpers are fine but doing the work to fix an old car, body and paint, driveline, interior, then painting the bumpers and trim instead of restoring it to it's shiny chrome or original finish is a terrible thing. IMO.
All of this reminds me of what I think of ratrods also. A ratrod years ago was a nice car with patina that someone was fixing up and just did not have the funds to have it all done. So, the blanket seat cover instead of new upholstery was used, creative painting of stock wheels and maybe some baby moons or trim rings on stock wheels with very clean white walls, and maybe some chrome here and there. Not a cobbled up questionably safe piece of junk that somebody welded together with poor safety practices used.
I find no joy in looking at those vehicles.
My 56 has/had both rust and patina. I got rid of the rust and kept the patina.
As has been said, patina is real wear and tear and is earned. Here is a picture of the passenger door. I hope you can make out the wear of 59 years of numerous arms hanging out the window. That's patina. Both front doors have this and it adds to the story of the car. I'm never going to paint over that.
I like earned patina not faked. I also like true rat rods, done like a poor mans hot rod with the money in the right places. Not all of us have the funding to make it pretty and perfect, but have the desire to have a piece of history and enjoy it.
That said, I hate trailer queens just modified for show.
I a'm kinda starting to like good rat rods(safe and put together with imagination) but when I see one that is pretty much body straight and rusty my thoughts are for a few thousand more you could have a nice paint job and a real hot rod. That's just me, I like shiny. Who knows someday I may put together a nostalgia type rod and depending on the funds on hand it may look a little ragged for a while..... Tedd
