Not mine, but not far from me....very intriguing. What do the Toro experts think? Does it look legit enough? I've always longed for one of these, and it is a great color combo....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Oldsm...3560e8&vxp=mtr

 

Well I always liked the 70 GT but this one... no. Looks rusty under the hood and you have the rust bubbling under the paint here and there. Not original paint or color. It is missing wheelwell chrome and possibly the optional GT paint stripe around the wheel wells. Look at he broken Toronado emblem on the hood and see all the pitting... I have a feeling this salt belt car has some rust issues. It would be better with the optional buckets and console. I can only imagine what it would cost to restore this beast.

 

True Joe. Wasn't sure about the color being correct. It does have stripes(black) around the wheel wells, but they don't look right. Looking at this car under the hood, I can't help but think SANDY....

 

Erik, I see those stripes now and they do look pretty correct but I am almost positive the color is wrong and the paint looks like candy apple, newer than 1970. Its missing a piece of trunk molding... and note how seller says little about running driving, stopping and the important things like that. He does tell all about the toro and the GT....fluff...

 

It is close to being a faded out burgundy mist color. It looks like a decent ride for the price

 

I have owned three '70 Toronado's in the past including 1 GT. It was white with blue top and interior. From my experience this one is probably legit but I agree from what I can see that it probably has major rust issues about to appear


Randy

 

At least you know a good body man, Erik. They are cool, I always liked the funky speedometer.

 

No pic of the rear bumper, should be notched for tail pipes? Rust wise doesn't ;ook bad for a NewYork car.

Henry

 

Henry, there is a pic of the rear with the rough, but correct rear bumper. It has a dealer sticker on it from Iowa.

 

On second look now I see it, it also has one of the heavy duty trunk locks in it, I went to Chicago in 1983 and seems like every other car up there had them.

Henry

 

"This baby has coldair induction"

Not on the photo I saw

So, what else is Mr. Broken English not quite correct on?
The all important OM trans?

 

I think the color may be correct, thus possibly original paint. Check out Toronado only Grenadier Red.
*If* it is original paint, that could be a good car, condition-wise.
But I'm guessing he thinks the car is more valuable than it really is, so it may not be able to be had at a reasonable price.
He is a little off the mark in some of his descriptions, but nothing too offensive.
Obviously there is no "cold air induction". The term Olds was using is Outside Air Induction. All of the '68-'70 W34s were described by Olds as "OAI", but only the '68s actually had the actual OAI components.
He's off a little on the production numbers, but no that bad. It can be a little quicker than the 15.7 quarter too, as I dipped below 15.3 a couple times with the one I had. And it is not really a "true dual" exhaust, but 2 in and 2 out of a single muffler.

Interesting note, the ww stripes were added on the assembly line (after the ww stainless trim was added). So there often is a little of the stripe paint on the stainless where it was not accurately masked off.


The one I had is on this page:
http://wmachines.shubes.net/OldsWMachinesPast.html

 

Paint is too glossy and orange-peeled for 44 year old original paint but I agree, code 74 Grenadier Red. Olds/Buick E-body and Cadillac only 1970 and then lived on as Cranberry (Olds) and Dark Autumn Maple in the other carlines for many years. Even my late unlamented 97 Bravada was Dark Autumn Maple, same as my Cranberry 73 Royale ragtop.

Interesting that it has NightWatch, yet is a Deluxe interior with windup windows. I've seen very few made that way- most all Deluxe were power window cars.

I don't see wheel arch mouldings, which all Toronados had and leads me to believe repaint. Wheelcovers are later, looks like 75-78 timeframe.

Kut, that's a neat sidebar on the ww stripes. You'd have thought a Toronado wouldn't have left Lansing without cleaning paint off the wheelwell mouldings.

 

How can he possibly say ....NO Rust!!!......rust everywhere!

 

Interesting indeed! Kurt, did they all have the WW stainless or was that an option and some came without?

 

Setting the Pace on page 343 there's a picture that shows an assembly line worker 67 Toro adding the pin stripes to the right front fender.

Henry

 

Yup, they are all missing. I think I have pics of the paint on the trim, I'll have to go digging. It was not *that* noticeable, and certainly within the quality standards of the day.


As Glenn said, they all had them.


Good eye, Henry. Just more evidence of striping done on the assembly line.
Further note, I'm sure of the main reason for the stripes being done on the assembly line (as opposed to Fisher Body) is because so many of the stripes involve the front clip that was finished and added on the assembly line.

 

So, OAI or CAI if you prefer is bullshed for this model, whether the factory or a seller claims it?

Sorry, but a regular air cleaner drawing in air from the general underhood engine area after the radiator is in no way OAI or CAI. Aw, haaaaale no. That's just plain old AI.

 

As I said, only the '68 (shown here) had the OAI even though Olds still called the '69 and '70 W34s "OAI".
The aircleaner setup on the Ebay car is correct for '70.

 

Car looks legit but its a 3-4K car all day, at most. Between rust repair, possibly to the point of a new trunk lid, front seat replacement which begets rear seat replacement, trashed engine bay, missing/broken trim, easily 20K to restore.

 

"As I said, only the '68 (shown here) had the OAI even though Olds still called the '69 and '70 W34s "OAI".
The aircleaner setup on the Ebay car is correct for '70."

I would not dare challenge your expertise in the matter, of course.
However, I find it ***-tarnishing that the factory called that OAI or CAI.
It is so NOT inducting any "outside" or "cold" air.
Unless you consider "outside of the engine" !

It is absolutely no different from all the other plain Jane engines of the era. Snorting in hot air from aft of the radiator.

Now, the '68, getting air from the grille/ battery area- THAT's CAI.
#$%#%- even the FACTORY spews bullshed on occasion.

 

No, it isn't that Olds considered the '69 and '70 setup to be OIA, it was that Olds *continued* to call it OAI even after the actual air induction pieces were dropped. It was just what is now an obvious mistake on Olds part. It appears it was Olds intention to continue the the actual OAI into '69 and '70, but obviously they didn't for whatever reason. They just neglected to remove some subsequent references to OAI with the W34 package. Which cost a cool $47.39 for 1970.

 

Another thing to mention: Even the "true" OAI on the '68 W34 was obviously not high profile feature like the other OAI systems. And this very type of OAI was commonly used as a matter of course (without OAI identification) on later Oldsmobiles (on the entire lineup) in the late '70s and into the '80.
Here is a stock '77 Toronado engine bay.

 

My '70 Toro GT has the standard single snorkel air filter without any hose or attachment to it...pretty sure that was the stock configuration.

 

Not commenting on the car here, but I had a '70 GT back in '82. It was a trade-in at the dealership and I got it for $500.00. Beige with dk Brown top and seats and 54k miles. That car would burn the front tires off the rims and cruise on the highway at relatively any speed. I needed money to redo the basement in what was then my first house; sold it for $600.00.

 

I guess your ROI wasn't that bad............all things considered...