Front brake upgrade
Front brake upgrade
Contemplating updaing my front brakes from the basic standard rotor and single piston caliper. As winter was progressing i was browsing rock auto for brake kits, one of which for 76 cutlass is premium stopping ability of a slotted/drilled rotors with new pads.
Then got to thinking about a double piston caliper. Though 5 years ago I replaced both calipers when I put ss brake lines from inline tube on. Summit's pricing is quite high for a kit for rotor, caliper, pads. Anyone do this upgrade and like it?
Other than upgrading to a warmer built 455 and lower rear gear w/ locking diff, the slotted/drilled rotors and new pad may be best bank for the buck.
Then got to thinking about a double piston caliper. Though 5 years ago I replaced both calipers when I put ss brake lines from inline tube on. Summit's pricing is quite high for a kit for rotor, caliper, pads. Anyone do this upgrade and like it?
Other than upgrading to a warmer built 455 and lower rear gear w/ locking diff, the slotted/drilled rotors and new pad may be best bank for the buck.
Drilled/slotted rotors are worthless on a street car. The extra machining simply adds potential crack initiation points. There will be zero difference in braking ability. The only benefit is that the car will weigh less because your wallet will be thinner.
As for dual piston calipers, be careful to compare total piston area. The original D52 calipers have a 2.94" diameter piston, for a piston area of 6.79 sq in. Most dual piston calipers have less total area than that, which is NOT an upgrade. As an example, the Wilwood D52 calipers have 2.00" pistons for a total area of 6.28 sq in. Aluminum calipers do reduce weight and improve brake cooling, however. There is also a small advantage of spreading that piston force more evenly across the brake pad, which improves brake pad effectiveness. Again, you are unlikely to ever feel the difference on the street. A real upgrade requires larger diameter rotors, which requires either different spindles or machining of your current spindles to mill off the caliper bracket. You might be able to swap in the 1977-90 spindles with the 12" rotors, for example. Of course, once you start messing with front/rear brake balance, you had better understand what you need to do to accommodate that. "Upgrading" the front brakes isn't an improvement if you just lock them up prematurely.
As for dual piston calipers, be careful to compare total piston area. The original D52 calipers have a 2.94" diameter piston, for a piston area of 6.79 sq in. Most dual piston calipers have less total area than that, which is NOT an upgrade. As an example, the Wilwood D52 calipers have 2.00" pistons for a total area of 6.28 sq in. Aluminum calipers do reduce weight and improve brake cooling, however. There is also a small advantage of spreading that piston force more evenly across the brake pad, which improves brake pad effectiveness. Again, you are unlikely to ever feel the difference on the street. A real upgrade requires larger diameter rotors, which requires either different spindles or machining of your current spindles to mill off the caliper bracket. You might be able to swap in the 1977-90 spindles with the 12" rotors, for example. Of course, once you start messing with front/rear brake balance, you had better understand what you need to do to accommodate that. "Upgrading" the front brakes isn't an improvement if you just lock them up prematurely.
Agreed on the drilled / slotted rotors. That’s been the consensus on a performance forum I frequent. I would install good pads / shoes and make sure everything works correctly and leave it at that.
Drilled/slotted rotors are worthless on a street car. The extra machining simply adds potential crack initiation points. There will be zero difference in braking ability. The only benefit is that the car will weigh less because your wallet will be thinner.
As for dual piston calipers, be careful to compare total piston area. The original D52 calipers have a 2.94" diameter piston, for a piston area of 6.79 sq in. Most dual piston calipers have less total area than that, which is NOT an upgrade. As an example, the Wilwood D52 calipers have 2.00" pistons for a total area of 6.28 sq in. Aluminum calipers do reduce weight and improve brake cooling, however. There is also a small advantage of spreading that piston force more evenly across the brake pad, which improves brake pad effectiveness. Again, you are unlikely to ever feel the difference on the street. A real upgrade requires larger diameter rotors, which requires either different spindles or machining of your current spindles to mill off the caliper bracket. You might be able to swap in the 1977-90 spindles with the 12" rotors, for example. Of course, once you start messing with front/rear brake balance, you had better understand what you need to do to accommodate that. "Upgrading" the front brakes isn't an improvement if you just lock them up prematurely.
As for dual piston calipers, be careful to compare total piston area. The original D52 calipers have a 2.94" diameter piston, for a piston area of 6.79 sq in. Most dual piston calipers have less total area than that, which is NOT an upgrade. As an example, the Wilwood D52 calipers have 2.00" pistons for a total area of 6.28 sq in. Aluminum calipers do reduce weight and improve brake cooling, however. There is also a small advantage of spreading that piston force more evenly across the brake pad, which improves brake pad effectiveness. Again, you are unlikely to ever feel the difference on the street. A real upgrade requires larger diameter rotors, which requires either different spindles or machining of your current spindles to mill off the caliper bracket. You might be able to swap in the 1977-90 spindles with the 12" rotors, for example. Of course, once you start messing with front/rear brake balance, you had better understand what you need to do to accommodate that. "Upgrading" the front brakes isn't an improvement if you just lock them up prematurely.
I figured if one went with dual piston and 4 wheel disc brakes would offer a lot more stopping force, however without ABS higher likelihood that I would lock up the brakes.
Car brakes fine, other than the pedal is alot stiffer after I had to replace the master cylinder and booster last spring.
The brake upgrade was just one of those things I was considering after watching a ton of "Detroit Muscle" episodes these last crappy weekends, and seeing them go on every project.
Thanks for the info Joe
I figured if one went with dual piston and 4 wheel disc brakes would offer a lot more stopping force, however without ABS higher likelihood that I would lock up the brakes.
Car brakes fine, other than the pedal is alot stiffer after I had to replace the master cylinder and booster last spring.
The brake upgrade was just one of those things I was considering after watching a ton of "Detroit Muscle" episodes these last crappy weekends, and seeing them go on every project.
Thanks for the info Joe
Car brakes fine, other than the pedal is alot stiffer after I had to replace the master cylinder and booster last spring.
The brake upgrade was just one of those things I was considering after watching a ton of "Detroit Muscle" episodes these last crappy weekends, and seeing them go on every project.
Thanks for the info Joe
Look, I'm in no way suggesting that drums are better than discs. What I'm saying is that properly maintained factory-engineered brakes are frequently better than incorrectly sized and installed "upgrades".
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