7028253 Quadrajet for sale
October 18th, 2011, 05:31 PM
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7028253 Quadrajet for sale
Numbers are 7028253 UC 0527
Just bought an olds 455 to build up and replace a tired 307. This qjet was on there. I was going to order a carb kit for this and run it in this car, but my google search led me here and it seems that this is a rare # for these carbs. The numbers don't matter much to me as this motor doesn't even belong in the car...
I'll let this go for the best offer (cash or trade) or go through it and use it if there is no interest...
Let me know if anyone has any questions about it...
I am near san francisco CA.
Just bought an olds 455 to build up and replace a tired 307. This qjet was on there. I was going to order a carb kit for this and run it in this car, but my google search led me here and it seems that this is a rare # for these carbs. The numbers don't matter much to me as this motor doesn't even belong in the car...
I'll let this go for the best offer (cash or trade) or go through it and use it if there is no interest...
Let me know if anyone has any questions about it...
I am near san francisco CA.
October 21st, 2013, 09:40 AM
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Picture, schmicture
From 2 yrs ago?
Stranger things have happened. Have you not heard how I got my 7028254 carb?
About 2 yrs after the purchase agreement, the man's brother called to offer me the carb. Right after we made the deal, the seller quit responding.... In going over the estate items, the family found my contact info and the carb related to it, and 3 days before Christmas I get a call, am I still interested in that carb?
From 2 yrs ago?
Stranger things have happened. Have you not heard how I got my 7028254 carb?
About 2 yrs after the purchase agreement, the man's brother called to offer me the carb. Right after we made the deal, the seller quit responding.... In going over the estate items, the family found my contact info and the carb related to it, and 3 days before Christmas I get a call, am I still interested in that carb?
October 21st, 2013, 09:52 AM
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This thread came up with I looked the other day too:
https://classicoldsmobile.com/forums...7028253-a.html
It's 68tom, the same guy that was selling it on e-bay that Octania posted the ebay link in the other thread.
It's interesting because first he posted a "wanted" ad for it here:
https://classicoldsmobile.com/forums...7028253-a.html
And who responded:....... notlarry.....
So I'm assuming notlarry sold it to 68tom who posted it here and on ebay. Read the questions and answers in the ebay ad. There were definitely a lot of questions about whether it was real. Perhaps 68tom can supply the pic so we all can see if it was a restamp or not. (Unfortunately he sold his car and hasn't posted since last December)
https://classicoldsmobile.com/forums...7028253-a.html
It's 68tom, the same guy that was selling it on e-bay that Octania posted the ebay link in the other thread.
It's interesting because first he posted a "wanted" ad for it here:
https://classicoldsmobile.com/forums...7028253-a.html
And who responded:....... notlarry.....
So I'm assuming notlarry sold it to 68tom who posted it here and on ebay. Read the questions and answers in the ebay ad. There were definitely a lot of questions about whether it was real. Perhaps 68tom can supply the pic so we all can see if it was a restamp or not. (Unfortunately he sold his car and hasn't posted since last December)
On Mar-25-12 at 22:39:58 PDT, seller added the following information:
Many thanks to those all interested in the carb. I had a question about a possible restamp on the carb, so I've included a better resolution photo. To be honest, that never even crossed my mind. I know I had an original quadrajet from a 4-speed 68 442 that was supposed to be restored. This is the carb I got in return, so I assumed it was the same carb. However, there's so many crooked people out there, even those you think are honest might not be.
So...please look closely at the pics and make your own decision. I don't know how to determine these things. All I know is, for my starting bid of $125, whether it's a restamp or not, it's a good deal. Beyond that it's up to you. Sorry, I'm not trying to be vague here, but I just don't know. I just wanted those bidding to make their own determination.
As stated in a question below, the number in the circle on the back of the carb body is 7035221. 35221 is also stamped on the carb body. The carb base in a circle is 7035226. The top base of the carb has 35218 stamped on it.
Hope this helps some.
On Mar-26-12 at 06:53:37 PDT, seller added the following information:
To anyone interested in this carburetor. PLEASE make sure you are satisfied that the stamping of the 7028253 is an original stamp and not a re-stamp. If you would like me to send you an email of the stamping, I can do so. Just send me a message with it included and I'll send you a very large photo so you can determine yourself.
I'm definitely not out to deceive anyone here and want to make sure you're satisfied with what you're getting. Dealing with an unsatisfied buyer is more of a headache for me than it is for you, so I'd rather make sure the bidder is happy with their item before auction end. Thanks.
Many thanks to those all interested in the carb. I had a question about a possible restamp on the carb, so I've included a better resolution photo. To be honest, that never even crossed my mind. I know I had an original quadrajet from a 4-speed 68 442 that was supposed to be restored. This is the carb I got in return, so I assumed it was the same carb. However, there's so many crooked people out there, even those you think are honest might not be.
So...please look closely at the pics and make your own decision. I don't know how to determine these things. All I know is, for my starting bid of $125, whether it's a restamp or not, it's a good deal. Beyond that it's up to you. Sorry, I'm not trying to be vague here, but I just don't know. I just wanted those bidding to make their own determination.
As stated in a question below, the number in the circle on the back of the carb body is 7035221. 35221 is also stamped on the carb body. The carb base in a circle is 7035226. The top base of the carb has 35218 stamped on it.
Hope this helps some.
On Mar-26-12 at 06:53:37 PDT, seller added the following information:
To anyone interested in this carburetor. PLEASE make sure you are satisfied that the stamping of the 7028253 is an original stamp and not a re-stamp. If you would like me to send you an email of the stamping, I can do so. Just send me a message with it included and I'll send you a very large photo so you can determine yourself.
I'm definitely not out to deceive anyone here and want to make sure you're satisfied with what you're getting. Dealing with an unsatisfied buyer is more of a headache for me than it is for you, so I'd rather make sure the bidder is happy with their item before auction end. Thanks.
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October 21st, 2013, 10:17 AM
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Picture, schmicture
From 2 yrs ago?
Stranger things have happened. Have you not heard how I got my 7028254 carb?
About 2 yrs after the purchase agreement, the man's brother called to offer me the carb. Right after we made the deal, the seller quit responding.... In going over the estate items, the family found my contact info and the carb related to it, and 3 days before Christmas I get a call, am I still interested in that carb?
From 2 yrs ago?
Stranger things have happened. Have you not heard how I got my 7028254 carb?
About 2 yrs after the purchase agreement, the man's brother called to offer me the carb. Right after we made the deal, the seller quit responding.... In going over the estate items, the family found my contact info and the carb related to it, and 3 days before Christmas I get a call, am I still interested in that carb?
October 21st, 2013, 11:13 AM
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This thread came up with I looked the other day too:
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So I'm assuming notlarry sold it to 68tom who posted it here and on ebay. Read the questions and answers in the ebay ad. There were definitely a lot of questions about whether it was real. Perhaps 68tom can supply the pic so we all can see if it was a restamp or not. (Unfortunately he sold his car and hasn't posted since last December)
..............................
So I'm assuming notlarry sold it to 68tom who posted it here and on ebay. Read the questions and answers in the ebay ad. There were definitely a lot of questions about whether it was real. Perhaps 68tom can supply the pic so we all can see if it was a restamp or not. (Unfortunately he sold his car and hasn't posted since last December)
There are 2 things that still are unanswered to me:
1. If they don't exist, why didn't Oldsmobile know that? The make numerous references to it. Even in a June '70 Service Guild Product Training Manual?
2. What carb is on all the '68 442 stick cars out there? Who has what they know or even think may be an original carb to the car?
October 23rd, 2013, 09:42 AM
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Yeah...
You go to a car show and it appears that 442's are all Oldsmobile ever made. And almost all of those are manual trans.
So, nearly every '68 at the shows "should have" the '8253 carb, right?
Yet.... NOT ONE PHOTO can be found?
uh-huh. OK....
You go to a car show and it appears that 442's are all Oldsmobile ever made. And almost all of those are manual trans.
So, nearly every '68 at the shows "should have" the '8253 carb, right?
Yet.... NOT ONE PHOTO can be found?
uh-huh. OK....
October 23rd, 2013, 12:56 PM
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I'm always amused when I go to a show and all the Faux-4-2s have the owner ID card strategically covering the VIN. There was a 1972 "W-30" at our All-GM show one year that one judge wanted to award Best of Show (stock), until I moved the ID card and noted the "K" engine code in the VIN.
Hey, a "K" is ALMOST an "X"...
Hey, a "K" is ALMOST an "X"...
October 27th, 2013, 12:59 PM
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date code doesn't jive with the model number... 52nd day of 1967 or 1977
so, it's either a fake, or a 1977 service carb(doubtful, as it's 10 years after the production run).
i call fake.
bill
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October 27th, 2013, 01:58 PM
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December 19th, 2013, 08:06 AM
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Can you post pics? Or email me kurt.shubert@wildaboutcars.com
The original carb for a '68 Ramrod should be 7028255.
The original carb for a '68 Ramrod should be 7028255.
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December 19th, 2013, 09:37 AM
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correction above
7028255, not 7028555 for a '68 RamRod carb, I believe.
GM parts guy:
"I pulled my ebay ad for my 253 carb.I know I emailed alot of people about my carb and REAL pics. I know dean saw the ghost. But as far as octania, with ALL his drama and crap about how we can now see what nobody has. Its that bull that made me pull the pics. I hope he didn't see the ghost. As for the rest of you guys sorry, but it is the real deal. You will never see another original like this again. I joined this web site to give and get advice on Oldsmobiles, last time I looked NOBODY is perfect? I sell rare Olds parts and GM parts and don't need people who say more and know less, telling me what I already know about rare hard to find parts. I will just sit back and read the posts. I cant say its been fun so far."
"whats the [70282]53 worth I have one off my 68 ram rod"
=================
Worth? With rarity like that, it's hard to judge.
This is on the order of Solid Main Web 403 rarity.
Elvis mating with aliens in the moonlight.
Perhaps the owner of the carb took offense at my cynical reply, oh well. It's a LITTLE hard not be cynical, what with the myth/ fable/ NOT ONE PHOTO ANYWHERE EVER situation. Of a part that was allegedly made by the 100's- for all the Manual Trans '68 442's- unless a W30. Bear in mind that I have stumbled across items of great rarity: 1 of forty three AT '68 W30 converts.... Tri-carb setups... 7028254 carbs [one after YEARS of searching, one in the Pile o' Carbs at the recycler]... Experimental prototype intakes... 1970 W30 carb at a yard sale... 1969 H/O distributor in the trunk of a parts car... &c. It's pretty much akin to bringing your Perpetual Motion machine to a gathering of engineers and physicists, but keeping it in a box so no one can verify that it exists, let alone examine it, measure input and output, etc. "Oh, it's in there, trust me! You may never see another one like it!" One might expect a certain amount of "drama" to ensue.
The latest [and every other] 7028253 story sounds EXACTLY like all the SMW 403 stories... only the subject and exact details change... and of course it's POSSIBLE to restamp a carb, but to undetectably get a 4A casting ID onto a SMW block like say a 350 or that special factory siamesed 398558-2 block that could displace 403 CID, is just not feasible.
Refresher, the story always goes like this:
I/ my brother/ uncle/ cousin/ friend / Olds Engineering
have/has one FER SURE
[always the obligatory "fer sure, no bullshed this time!"]
BUT... [always the but]
right now we don't have any photos because
[insert random reason/ excuse such as...]
it's under water [seriously, that was given as a reason by one "bearbear" at ROP] / it's buried in the back of the garage / it's in the car right now / it's long since sold / my panties are in a bunch because no one believes me that it's real and I got one right here / etc.
So... as you were, gentlemen
Nothing to see here
Literally
7028255, not 7028555 for a '68 RamRod carb, I believe.
GM parts guy:
"I pulled my ebay ad for my 253 carb.I know I emailed alot of people about my carb and REAL pics. I know dean saw the ghost. But as far as octania, with ALL his drama and crap about how we can now see what nobody has. Its that bull that made me pull the pics. I hope he didn't see the ghost. As for the rest of you guys sorry, but it is the real deal. You will never see another original like this again. I joined this web site to give and get advice on Oldsmobiles, last time I looked NOBODY is perfect? I sell rare Olds parts and GM parts and don't need people who say more and know less, telling me what I already know about rare hard to find parts. I will just sit back and read the posts. I cant say its been fun so far."
"whats the [70282]53 worth I have one off my 68 ram rod"
=================
Worth? With rarity like that, it's hard to judge.
This is on the order of Solid Main Web 403 rarity.
Elvis mating with aliens in the moonlight.
Perhaps the owner of the carb took offense at my cynical reply, oh well. It's a LITTLE hard not be cynical, what with the myth/ fable/ NOT ONE PHOTO ANYWHERE EVER situation. Of a part that was allegedly made by the 100's- for all the Manual Trans '68 442's- unless a W30. Bear in mind that I have stumbled across items of great rarity: 1 of forty three AT '68 W30 converts.... Tri-carb setups... 7028254 carbs [one after YEARS of searching, one in the Pile o' Carbs at the recycler]... Experimental prototype intakes... 1970 W30 carb at a yard sale... 1969 H/O distributor in the trunk of a parts car... &c. It's pretty much akin to bringing your Perpetual Motion machine to a gathering of engineers and physicists, but keeping it in a box so no one can verify that it exists, let alone examine it, measure input and output, etc. "Oh, it's in there, trust me! You may never see another one like it!" One might expect a certain amount of "drama" to ensue.
The latest [and every other] 7028253 story sounds EXACTLY like all the SMW 403 stories... only the subject and exact details change... and of course it's POSSIBLE to restamp a carb, but to undetectably get a 4A casting ID onto a SMW block like say a 350 or that special factory siamesed 398558-2 block that could displace 403 CID, is just not feasible.
Refresher, the story always goes like this:
I/ my brother/ uncle/ cousin/ friend / Olds Engineering
have/has one FER SURE
[always the obligatory "fer sure, no bullshed this time!"]
BUT... [always the but]
right now we don't have any photos because
[insert random reason/ excuse such as...]
it's under water [seriously, that was given as a reason by one "bearbear" at ROP] / it's buried in the back of the garage / it's in the car right now / it's long since sold / my panties are in a bunch because no one believes me that it's real and I got one right here / etc.
So... as you were, gentlemen
Nothing to see here
Literally
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December 19th, 2013, 03:09 PM
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I pulled my ebay ad for my 253 carb.I know I emailed alot of people about my carb and REAL pics.I know dean saw the ghost.But as far as octania,with ALL his drama and crap about how we can now see what nobody has.Its that bull that made me pull the pics. I hope he didnt see the ghost.As for the rest of you guys sorry,but it is the real deal.You will never see another original like this again.I joined this web site to give and get advice on Oldsmobiles,last time I looked NOBODY is perfect?I sell rare Olds parts and GM parts and dont need people who say more and know less, telling me what I already know about rare hard to find parts.I will just sit back and read the posts.I cant say its been fun so far.
December 19th, 2013, 06:24 PM
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I have sent Wmachine the pics of this RARE 253 carb.I asked kurt to post these pics for ALL you dumb people to see the hens tooth.Hey Allyolds68 your about as smart on these rare parts as Octania.Talk about cry babys,WOW.You guys wanted the truth,and now you cant handel it?Whats up with that!I hope Kurt posts the pics soon,so you guys can say you were WRONG!!.Like thats going to happen.
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December 19th, 2013, 07:15 PM
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Lets see why I am the ***?Last week I was looking at many Olds web sites,and came across classicoldsmobile.I read ALL the posts about the 253 that nobody has ever seen.And that the carb is a ghost NEVERMADE .So I joined this web site to show you guys what you have never seen.And what do I get in return?***
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December 19th, 2013, 07:24 PM
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GM guy, this is a family friendly site. The rules for posting exclude foul language and posts that stir up fights. If you have something to show us then post the pictures. But stop calling names.
John, one of the moderators.
John, one of the moderators.
December 19th, 2013, 07:36 PM
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The date code looks funny.Dean your just mad its not for sale and its REAL.And as for calling names really.You people have called me a LIAR because I wanted to help you out with something you never seen.So is that how you people treat family?You need to check yourself at the door?
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December 19th, 2013, 07:44 PM
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The date code looks funny.Dean your just mad its not for sale and its REAL.And as for calling names really.You people have called me a LIAR because I wanted to help you out with something you never seen.So is that how you people treat family?You need to check yourself at the door?
John
December 19th, 2013, 08:26 PM
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Cool John.You and kurt seem like the two best guys on this site so far.I didnt tell you guys about this carb to rub anybodys nose in it.I did try and help with all the ghost stories about this carb,and that I am lucky enough to have found one of these rare carbs.If that makes some people mad,sorry.I was just trying to help some other DIE HARD OLDS FANS out.I joined this web site to GIVE and GET Olds info.Not to have a bunch of drama.But a least everybody got to see the ghost.I am sorry I joined this website...
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December 20th, 2013, 04:51 AM
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Maybe the GM parts guys is just trying to say .... why so much theatrics and drama? or ..... just because you have never seen it, how can you 100% say it doesnt exist - which he equates to implying he is a liar even if the L word isnt used.
Chris did not need to belittle with analogies to aliens, elvis and SMW.
Everyone decide on their own but maybe ratchet back the fanfare.
Chris did not need to belittle with analogies to aliens, elvis and SMW.
Everyone decide on their own but maybe ratchet back the fanfare.
December 20th, 2013, 06:03 AM
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So it is no surprise to me that one has surfaced.
Also note that after the OP posted, it was *two years* before anyone had anything to say. Makes me question how hard "everyone" has been looking. I can say that I was not looking for one back then.
Dean, I think the date code is okay. They vary some on the flanges like that, understandably. It does have the correct UC broadcast code (aka application code) and that is an important feature for a factory installed carb.
December 20th, 2013, 07:54 AM
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Exactly. And in this case there is a lot more *factory* documentation that they exist, and that should keep us looking.
So it is no surprise to me that one has surfaced.
Also note that after the OP posted, it was *two years* before anyone had anything to say. Makes me question how hard "everyone" has been looking. I can say that I was not looking for one back then.
Dean, I think the date code is okay. They vary some on the flanges like that, understandably. It does have the correct UC broadcast code (aka application code) and that is an important feature for a factory installed carb.
So it is no surprise to me that one has surfaced.
Also note that after the OP posted, it was *two years* before anyone had anything to say. Makes me question how hard "everyone" has been looking. I can say that I was not looking for one back then.
Dean, I think the date code is okay. They vary some on the flanges like that, understandably. It does have the correct UC broadcast code (aka application code) and that is an important feature for a factory installed carb.
December 20th, 2013, 10:54 AM
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It's hard to tell from the one pic, but that looks like one of the worst cobbled up stamps I've ever seen.Several of the numbers are spaced incorrectly, angled, etc.. how does that jive with factory correct fonts and stamps ?
Dean, I'll include this one too..... ;-) wink !
Dean, I'll include this one too..... ;-) wink !
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December 20th, 2013, 11:32 AM
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Now-a-days I'm finding myself more leery of perfect stamps than imperfect ones.
December 20th, 2013, 11:36 AM
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Yeah, it's just hard to tell from that one picture, but the "8" looks completely
strange compared to the other numbers. If there was a good pic, I may have a different opinion. Doesn't matter to me... just my .02, which is worth
>.02 these days.
strange compared to the other numbers. If there was a good pic, I may have a different opinion. Doesn't matter to me... just my .02, which is worth
>.02 these days.
December 20th, 2013, 12:12 PM
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Here, this should make you feel better about the 8. Deeper stamp at the bottom, shallower at the top.
December 20th, 2013, 12:38 PM
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its a batch stamp....just like stage 1 carbs and W30 carbs, such a low production, ran in a "batch" til they need another "batch"...it was hand stamped..
very common on carbs like stage1s..theres 3 date codes..if it doesnt fit that code its a restamp..PERIOD..since it was hand stamped in a gang stamp..some can be deeper..also...some numbers have different looks than high production machine stamped..
also, common to see batch stamped with die marks before and after the number...
the Buick and pontiac guys have it figured out pretty well..
if it is the only 253 ever seen or photographed..its right until proven wrong, because theres no comparison.... but sure looks right for a low production carb..
very common on carbs like stage1s..theres 3 date codes..if it doesnt fit that code its a restamp..PERIOD..since it was hand stamped in a gang stamp..some can be deeper..also...some numbers have different looks than high production machine stamped..
also, common to see batch stamped with die marks before and after the number...
the Buick and pontiac guys have it figured out pretty well..
if it is the only 253 ever seen or photographed..its right until proven wrong, because theres no comparison.... but sure looks right for a low production carb..
December 20th, 2013, 03:07 PM
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I would like to say thanks pete,mark and kurt.You guys are the only ONES who get it,and have NOT blown me crap about this carb.Where in the heck that guy got the stamping numbers look wrong,I dont know.I am going to dip and clean this carb,so ALL the stamping-date code can be seen as clean as the day it was new.I live in IL,I got ahold of a guy that owns the quad shop in Rockford IL.He has some 251s but has never seen a 253 and really wants to see it.I will also be going to the B.O.P.C 23rd annual indoor swap meet sunday feb 23rd 2014 in St charles IL Kane county fairgrounds.This show ALWAYS has members from the Olds club of America.So will see what the real experts have to say about my 253 carb.Thanks
