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Help with two Quadrajets
Hello. I am in the process of rebuilding my Olds 455. I need some help deciding which Quadrajet I should rebuild and use. I currently own two Quadrajets. I was hoping someone could give me some information on the differences between the two.
The first Quadrajet came with the 455. It should be a Quadrajet that came on the 1973 Olds 98 with J heads. I identified a number on the back of the fuel bowl (7046222) I looked for a number near the accelerator pump but couldn't find one. I believe the second Quadrajet is newer. It has a casting number next to the accelerator pump (17064839). It also has the following code on the fuel bowl next to the linkage. 17082224 1462 FJP Which carburetor should I rebuild and use with my 455? Does either one of these Quadrajets have desirable metering rods or jets?
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Seasoned beater pilot.
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The first one is a 73 olds carb
The second is from an 82 chevy I think. Most likely, they both are undesireable.
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Unfortunetly, I know nothing of Quadraflushes...
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Seasoned beater pilot.
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Well then here's a quick lesson.
The number that you want is on the driver's side going vertically. In Olds 64's case the number is 17082224 1462 FJP 170 is the number for rochester before 1976 it is just 70 82 is the production year the next #2 means non california emissions. If it was a 1 I think it would be a Cali smog carb the NEXT #2 indicates the division. 0,1,2 = Chevrolet 3 = Cadilllac 4 = Buick 5 = Oldsmobile 6,7 = Pontiac 8 =Mercruiser Marine? The 4 indicates manual or auto trans. Evens are usually automatic, odds are manual 1462 is the date of production. In this case: The 146th day of 1982 FJP is the letter code for the manufacturing plant. This is enough information to identify a carb, HOWEVER it is also enough information to misidentify one as well.
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J, thanks for the tips. Both of those decodes sound about right. I knew the older carb was from a mid to late 70s Olds engine, and I knew the other one was from an 80s Chevy. BTW, you mentioned that both aren't particularly desireable. Why is that? Is there a specific Quadrajet that is more desireable than others? Thanks.
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Seasoned beater pilot.
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They're all nice carbs, but some of the 1975 carbs were 800 cfm
Which in my opinion bigger is better. The 800s have lot of potential, and if you don't particularly need 800 you can always use different jets to tame it down a bit.
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Seasoned beater pilot.
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I am an admitted newbie at carburetors however, so take what I say with a bag of ice cream salt. Danny S would be a better person to chat it up with about this subject.
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I know a guy that would trade you some C heads for one of them. Give me a call sometime.
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To answer the original question. I would flip a coin. Norm |
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Hmm... well I will probably use the carburetor off of the 70s Olds engine. The one off of the Chevy has a 90* bend where the fuel filter and inlet are. In addition, I already gave SOMEBODY the kickdown mechanism for the TH 400 off of the Chevy carburetor.
I purchased the Rochester Carburetors book by Doug Roe for this rebuild. I have rebuilt plenty of Quadrajets before but I figured I could always find a few pointers and high tech tips. I will have to ask some more questions once I start to rebuild it. Maybe this evening I should go buy a rebuild kit... ![]()
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Ok, I bought a rebuild kit tonight along with some Berryman's carburetor cleaner. However, I was wondering if anyone knew of a place where I could get a throttle plate bushing kit a little cheaper than the one below? I guess the kit is a little pricey because it includes 16 bushings. I don't need that many for one carburetor.
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i just had my 1970 rochester cleaned,rebuilt and tuned for $214 bucks, he took it off and put it back on for that price, if i would have taken it off it would have been $140, palacio carb in phila.
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And it was broke to boot! Ooops, guess I just let the cat out of the bag ![]()
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Yeah, I know I can get my carburetor rebuilt professionaly for a reasonable price. However, I am not rebuilding it myself to save money. I would like to rebuild it just to get the satisfaction of doing it. Like I said, I have rebuilt plenty of Quadrajets with decent success. I have never redone the throttle plate bushings though. I hope someone has a good lead on another kit for me.
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Jesse, do a search over at ROP. I think I remember somenone mentioning or referring to a guy that sells bushings and shafts that you can "do it yourself". You know my memory, I hope that is where I saw it. If I can remember better I'll let you know.
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Ok. I disassembled the carburetor today and found a surprise. One of the primary metering rods is broken!
The rods have 53C stamped on them and the primary jets have 70 stamped on them. I guess I have two options. I can tear apart my other Quadrajet and salvage the primary metering rods and jets, or I can order new ones. I already checked and it would only be $20 for new metering rods and jets from Summit (in various sizes). What should I do? Are there specific primary jets and metering rods that I should buy? Any information would be appreciated. ![]()
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Ferris, my father loves this car more than life itself... Apparently, you don't understand! Ferris, he never drives it! He just rubs it with a diaper! Cameron Frye Ferris Bueller's Day Off 1986 Last edited by Olds64; February 9th, 2008 at 04:30 PM.. |
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Seasoned beater pilot.
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Yeah, I'd just pick up some new ones. They should all be readily available and easily looked up.
If yours is pre 1976, You can't use the ones from the Chevy carb The "70" carbs have longer rods than the "170" carbs.
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Seasoned beater pilot.
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http://www.carburetion.com/rodshang.asp
What is the number going vertically on the olds carb? I don't think you gave us the full number yet. Just the fuel bowl. If it is also a "170" carb you may be able to use the chevy carb rods.
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I tried to disassemble the Chevy carburetor. Unfortunately it was so tarnished and worn that I couldn't get the float, needle, and primary metering rod assembly out of the fuel bowl. I would have to do some heavy duty chipping away at the bird's nest / oxidation / wasp's nest.
![]() Anyways, I think I will just go ahead and order new primary metering rods and primary jets. That would be the best bet since they are so cheap. BTW, I cleaned the fuel bowl on the Olds carburetor and found the following number. 7043251 RB 0193
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Seasoned beater pilot.
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ahh that's the number I was looking for.
That makes it a 73 olds carb, non smog 4bbl, from a car with a manual transmission. Not a 75 or 76. Made on Jan 19th of 1973
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Ok. I did some reading and the primary metering rods I have are triple taper with a .053" diameter (53C). In addition, the primary jets are .070" in diamater (70). Finally, my secondary metering rods are stamped with CH, and the hanger is stamped with H.
Can I replace my primary metering rods with these rods available from Summit? http://store.summitracing.com/partde...5&autoview=sku These rods are .052" in diameter and I assume they only have a double taper (I read that Oldsmobile was the only one to use triple taper rods). I just want to make sure these aftermarket rods work correctly with the jets in my carburetor. Right now I don't plan on changing the secondary metering rods or the primary jets unless someone knows of a good combination to use on a street driven engine which is mildly built. I appreciate all of the help. ![]()
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How 1970 triple taper rods got into your 73 carb is anyone's guess. Looks like you have yourself a frankenstein carb there
Do you want the ''correct'' ones for your carb? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Doug Roe book on Rochesters, in the chart showing all the primary metering rods, shows the only triple taper rods ever made were rods 7040699- 48C and 7040701- 52C, and these were used on 1970 Oldsmobiles only. Olds was also the only one to use the triple rods. The triple taper rod was and attempt to fine-tune the fuel curve more precisely than the dual-taper rods, introduced in 1968, allowed. I guess it didn't work well enough to justify the expense, since they went back to dual-taper rods the very next year. It seems that the carb section of the Olds engineering department was getting a lot of overtime calibrating the 1970 units, what with the triple-taper rods and the no-rod "W" units. Apparently, not everybody went to the dual-taper rods in 1968, however.
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I think this would be correct for your carb. (#'s from an AC-Delco manual)
1973 455 carb 225 HP Main jet 7031969 Primary rod 7034850- "50B" Secondary rod 7045779- "CH" I'm clueless on the secondary hanger
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J, thanks for the info. I have the Doug Roe book as well and I wasn't able to find the 53C primary metering rods listed so I assumed they were triple taper. Regardless, I will have to get some new ones since one of the originals is damaged. Thanks for the original specs. At least that gives me a way to get my Frankenstein carburetor back to normal.
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The 50B's are available here for 12 bucks
http://www.carburetion.com/rodshang.asp
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Let me know how it goes for you. I have 5 or 6 carbs just hanging out if you need another.
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Check it out! I purchased two 73 primary jets and two CV secondary metering rods from the local carburetor shop. The 73s were right in between 72s and 74s that Bob G. suggested in his Oldsmobile Engine Tuning and Modification guide. Bob G. also suggested the CVs as one of about 10 secondary metering rods that are good for mild street cars (not too rich at WOT but better than the CHs that I had). I think I am going to take Bob's advice again and install stock primary metering rods (the 50Bs).
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Good idea. I have that tuning guide laying around somewhere too. It's a pretty nice little book. I have to do my carb again when the weather warms up. Right now my secondaries are frankensteined together from 2 different needles that were in the drawer haha. 1 is from an 80 lesabre and one is from an 87 Monte SS. I paired them together wrong when I put them away, and their other halves are amongst crap in the garage somewhere. Oh well, they'll get me through winter just fine.
My 4 extra carbs are not "170" carbs, as Murphy's law so dictates.
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