Just A thought......

Cardoc · September 29th, 2006, 02:56 PM

I was sitting, spacing out for a while today..and I was thinking...what if I were to get a 455 or 425 toronado engine and put it into my '69 Cutlass(if its even possible) what sort of parts would I have to get to make it compatible?..and what transmission would have to be used...4 speed std. preffered. I thought since Im a body guy, and not an engine guy...someone here might have some food for my thought.
Thanks - Darren

VegasDelta · September 29th, 2006, 06:06 PM

Hello Darren, any 425 or 455 will bolt in with the right engine mounts. Toro mounts are different, you'd have to get new mounts or use the same (8 cyl) mounts that are in your '69 now. Also you'd need to change the oil filter mount from the toro because the angle is different. The one from any other modern Olds 8 cyl will bolt on. If you want to use a 4 spd you'll need to have the crank drilled out for the pilot bearing. Olds only did this w/ engines meant for a standard from the factory. A turbo 400 was the stock trans used on a big block, although a turbo 350 can be built to use. A 400 will use a larger yoke & is longer than a 350. Good luck, Jerry.

coppertopgmc · September 29th, 2006, 06:37 PM

You will also need to replace the exhaust manifolds with headers or manifolds from rear wheel drive cars. I would also replace the intake manifold, not that the Toronado intake wouldnt fit, but it sits alot lower to clear under the hood on Toronado's and doesnt have the performance of a higher rise intake.

Cardoc · October 1st, 2006, 08:03 PM

hmm ok well it sounds like a bit of work, thanks for the info guys.

Allan R · October 2nd, 2009, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardoc

I was sitting, spacing out for a while today..and I was thinking...what if I were to get a 455 or 425 toronado engine and put it into my '69 Cutlass(if its even possible) what sort of parts would I have to get to make it compatible?..and what transmission would have to be used...4 speed std. preffered. I thought since Im a body guy, and not an engine guy...someone here might have some food for my thought.
Thanks - Darren

You're not alone.
I came really close to getting a 455/400 just recently. Could have got the whole car (76 Regency) for around 350.00. But the guy who said he wanted to sell it wouldn't give me driving directions to get to his place. It would have been a great project to rebuild and drop into my 72.

One question to the others: Wouldn't you have to upgrade the front suspension too? Or is the weight of the 455/400 fairly close to the weight of a 350/350?

2blu442 · October 2nd, 2009, 08:25 PM

Hey Allen
Joe P. commented on that in a similar thread and said the weight difference isn't enough to require changing the springs.

Although if yours are worn that might be a good time to change them. Many years ago I purchased a set of springs from "strongarm suspension" that were suppose to lower the car by about one inch. Since my old springs were soggy the new ones actually raised it slightly! Too bad your so far away.... I have a couple big blocks you could choose from just cluttering up my garage

But I'm sure the shipping would be at least twice the value of a motor

John

September 29th, 2006, 02:56 PM	#1 (permalink)
Cardoc Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 6	Just A thought...... I was sitting, spacing out for a while today..and I was thinking...what if I were to get a 455 or 425 toronado engine and put it into my '69 Cutlass(if its even possible) what sort of parts would I have to get to make it compatible?..and what transmission would have to be used...4 speed std. preffered. I thought since Im a body guy, and not an engine guy...someone here might have some food for my thought. Thanks - Darren

September 29th, 2006, 06:06 PM	#2 (permalink)
VegasDelta Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Henderson, Nevada Posts: 53	Hello Darren, any 425 or 455 will bolt in with the right engine mounts. Toro mounts are different, you'd have to get new mounts or use the same (8 cyl) mounts that are in your '69 now. Also you'd need to change the oil filter mount from the toro because the angle is different. The one from any other modern Olds 8 cyl will bolt on. If you want to use a 4 spd you'll need to have the crank drilled out for the pilot bearing. Olds only did this w/ engines meant for a standard from the factory. A turbo 400 was the stock trans used on a big block, although a turbo 350 can be built to use. A 400 will use a larger yoke & is longer than a 350. Good luck, Jerry. __________________ 1966 Olds Delta 88 Convertible 2004 Dodge Hemi Ram 2002 Kawasaki Vulcan 1500 FI

October 2nd, 2009, 08:25 PM	#6 (permalink)
2blu442 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Medford, Oregon Posts: 2,256	Hey Allen Joe P. commented on that in a similar thread and said the weight difference isn't enough to require changing the springs. Although if yours are worn that might be a good time to change them. Many years ago I purchased a set of springs from "strongarm suspension" that were suppose to lower the car by about one inch. Since my old springs were soggy the new ones actually raised it slightly! Too bad your so far away.... I have a couple big blocks you could choose from just cluttering up my garage But I'm sure the shipping would be at least twice the value of a motor John __________________ 1964 Cutlass Factory 4spd 1965 442 4spd 1967 442 Auto 1967 Cutlass Convertible 1967 Cutlass four door daily driver 1968 442 Auto 1969 442 W30 Auto 1970 442 4spd 1971 Cutlass Flat Top Wagon 1973 Che*vy 3/4 Ton 454/TH400 Tow Vehicle Only the tow vehicle is finished!

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September 29th, 2006, 06:37 PM	#3 (permalink)
coppertopgmc Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 28	You will also need to replace the exhaust manifolds with headers or manifolds from rear wheel drive cars. I would also replace the intake manifold, not that the Toronado intake wouldnt fit, but it sits alot lower to clear under the hood on Toronado's and doesnt have the performance of a higher rise intake.

October 1st, 2006, 08:03 PM	#4 (permalink)
Cardoc Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 6	hmm ok well it sounds like a bit of work, thanks for the info guys.