'65 Cutlass mirror...2 differnet styles?

65az · March 21st, 2009, 09:06 PM

Ok... I purchased a new '65 Mirror from Fusick and it is not the same one that is on the car now. Did they offer two different styles that year? The mounting holes are in different spots, and the mirror base that is on the car now appears to have never been off the car, due to the paint being nice and new under the gasket seal...

2blu442 · March 21st, 2009, 09:36 PM

Are they both remote or non-remote? I've seen those two style on the 1965 and they have a very different appearance. Can you post a photo of it so others with 1965's can compare it to theirs? John

65az · March 21st, 2009, 09:54 PM

yes.. I will take pictures tomorrow. The one on the car now all I have is the mounting plate and the stem.. the mirror was broken off when I bought it. It is Non remote..

wmachine · March 23rd, 2009, 06:53 AM

Yes, pics please. Always possible that the car did not come with one and the original owner added it.

65az · March 23rd, 2009, 10:23 AM

That was my next question... so they didnt come standard with a drivers mirror then?

88 coupe · March 23rd, 2009, 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 65az

........ they didn't come standard with a drivers mirror then?

Not in '65. My guess is that '68 was the first year they were required.

Norm

65az · March 23rd, 2009, 11:55 AM

This is what is on here now....

This is what I purchased..

a64olz · March 23rd, 2009, 12:17 PM

The mirror you got from Fusick is the correct one, it uses a mounting base that is screwed to the door and the mirror attaches with a set screw to the bracket.

wmachine · March 23rd, 2009, 12:18 PM

The mount on your car does not look familiar to me at all, I doubt that it is an Olds mirror.
What you bought looks right.

65az · March 23rd, 2009, 01:18 PM

Does anyone have a '65 so I can get measurement on where the original is supposed to be mounted? I would like to get it as close as possible...

wmachine · March 23rd, 2009, 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 88 coupe

Not in '65. My guess is that '68 was the first year they were required.

Norm

Well that was interesting to look up. Overall, 1966 was the first year for the standard outside rv mirror.
In '65 it was standard on the Starfire converts and the 98 converts only.

2blu442 · March 23rd, 2009, 07:48 PM

If someone else doesn't get it for you sooner I can take some pictures with a tape measure late this week. Did your new mirror come with the mounting bracket? John

65az · March 23rd, 2009, 10:24 PM

Yes it did.. so I am good there. If a previous owner installed that mirror, it must have been done a long time ago.. the paint underneath it looks brand new.

Yellowstatue · March 24th, 2009, 03:38 AM

Besides the factory correct mirror you bought from Fusick, there was another ten or so different styles available from the dealer according to your taste...the base mounted on your car does not however show up in my accessory catalogues pictures from '60 to '67...the '65 GM cat number is 658...also there is a matching right side!!!

Impin' · March 24th, 2009, 12:03 PM

I'll try to remember to take a picture of the mirror on my car, with a tape measurer tonight and then post. Hope I can remember. :-)

Impin' · March 24th, 2009, 09:54 PM

My mirror is slightly different from the one on your car and the one you bought. Here are the pics anyway.

I hope it helps in some way.

Impin' · March 24th, 2009, 09:55 PM

Okay....here are the links instead.
http://picasaweb.google.com/mojokes/...68220961621426
http://picasaweb.google.com/mojokes/...68161948499650
http://picasaweb.google.com/mojokes/...68098786490498

wmachine · March 25th, 2009, 04:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Impin'

Okay....here are the links instead.
http://picasaweb.google.com/mojokes/...68220961621426
http://picasaweb.google.com/mojokes/...68161948499650
http://picasaweb.google.com/mojokes/...68098786490498

I'm sorry, it may just be me, but Impin', is that a correct mirror? It doesn't look like it from what I see.

TK-65 · March 25th, 2009, 11:09 AM

Impin has the remote mirror.

Id take that broke base off the door and see if the two small holes for the stock mirror mount are there. I had a template for mounting the stock mirror but I cant find it. I have an NOS mirror on mine and the template came in the box with it.

65az · March 25th, 2009, 01:03 PM

The holes are in a different pattern unfortunately.. I can hide them under the new base.. but I feel that mounting the base where the present one is, puts the stock mirror too low.. but I might not have a choice... can you shoot me a picture of your NOS installed mirror straight on?

Impin' · March 25th, 2009, 07:24 PM

wmachine....i've seen it in a few mags and on a few others. I'll see can find other cars with that same mirror. If it's not, it'll just be one other thing I need to replace.

Yellowstatue · March 26th, 2009, 03:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wmachine

I'm sorry, it may just be me, but Impin', is that a correct mirror? It doesn't look like it from what I see.

It looks like one of the dealer available items that is in the accessories cat...ten styles to choose from...

TK-65 · March 26th, 2009, 11:36 AM

Mirror is mounted in the middle of the door crease, 4 3/4 inches from the front of the door, 1 3/4 inches up from the door crease.

Youll need the small mount that screws to the door in order to mount the mirror.

2blu442 · March 26th, 2009, 10:44 PM

Well the more I look at this topic the more complicated it gets! I have two project cars, a 1964 Cutlass and a 1965 442. They both have remote mirrors that I believe are the same as the one Impin has. Then I have three parts cars, one 1964 F85 2 door and one 1965 4 door that have a mirror much like the one TK-65 has. I also have a 1965 4 door parts car with just the mounting bracket. These three brackets are all slightly different, and even the two non-remote mirrors have slightly different bases! So how many different kinds of mirrors could be had on a 1964 or 1965 Cutlass platform??? Yellowstatue, was there really 10 different ones?

Attached are some photos of measurements for the mounting bracket. I have posted several more photos of the different mirrors and bases on my photobucket site. You can view those at: http://s90.photobucket.com/albums/k2...20Oldsmobiles/

This is the only one with the base being angled.

John

Yellowstatue · March 27th, 2009, 03:22 AM

Yes, there were a bunch...under the heading Mirrors-outside/Custom there are eight, but all GM's..so depending on what year item 3 or 6 would be for a Cutlass or a full size...and then under Mirrors-outside General purpose...there are five more styles....and then there are the remotes..'64-'65 F85 PN982395..'64 Olds 33-34-35-38-39 PN982202...this is out of GM cat #658 page 34 & 35..hope this helps add to the confusion

65az · March 27th, 2009, 11:58 AM

Wow... what a topic this turned out to be! And the worst part? I love the style of the broken mirror that was on my car... too bad I can't figure out what it was...oh well! Mounting the stock one today...thanks for all the great feedback and pictures...it really helped!

March 21st, 2009, 09:06 PM	#1 (permalink)
65az Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 133	'65 Cutlass mirror...2 differnet styles? Ok... I purchased a new '65 Mirror from Fusick and it is not the same one that is on the car now. Did they offer two different styles that year? The mounting holes are in different spots, and the mirror base that is on the car now appears to have never been off the car, due to the paint being nice and new under the gasket seal...

March 21st, 2009, 09:36 PM	#2 (permalink)
2blu442 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Medford, Oregon Posts: 2,261	1965 Mirrors Are they both remote or non-remote? I've seen those two style on the 1965 and they have a very different appearance. Can you post a photo of it so others with 1965's can compare it to theirs? John __________________ 1964 Cutlass Factory 4spd 1965 442 4spd 1967 442 Auto 1967 Cutlass Convertible 1967 Cutlass four door daily driver 1968 442 Auto 1969 442 W30 Auto 1970 442 4spd 1971 Cutlass Flat Top Wagon 1973 Che*vy 3/4 Ton 454/TH400 Tow Vehicle Only the tow vehicle is finished!

March 23rd, 2009, 06:53 AM	#4 (permalink)
wmachine Trying to remember member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,470	Yes, pics please. Always possible that the car did not come with one and the original owner added it. __________________ Kurt http://wmachines.shubes.net

March 23rd, 2009, 12:17 PM	#8 (permalink)
a64olz Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 46	65 MIRROR The mirror you got from Fusick is the correct one, it uses a mounting base that is screwed to the door and the mirror attaches with a set screw to the bracket. __________________ cars commute....wagons haul

March 23rd, 2009, 12:18 PM	#9 (permalink)
wmachine Trying to remember member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,470	The mount on your car does not look familiar to me at all, I doubt that it is an Olds mirror. What you bought looks right. __________________ Kurt http://wmachines.shubes.net

March 21st, 2009, 09:54 PM	#3 (permalink)
65az Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 133	yes.. I will take pictures tomorrow. The one on the car now all I have is the mounting plate and the stem.. the mirror was broken off when I bought it. It is Non remote..

March 23rd, 2009, 10:23 AM	#5 (permalink)
65az Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 133	That was my next question... so they didnt come standard with a drivers mirror then?

March 23rd, 2009, 11:55 AM	#7 (permalink)
65az Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 133	This is what is on here now.... This is what I purchased..

March 23rd, 2009, 01:18 PM	#10 (permalink)
65az Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 133	Does anyone have a '65 so I can get measurement on where the original is supposed to be mounted? I would like to get it as close as possible...

March 23rd, 2009, 07:48 PM	#12 (permalink)
2blu442 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Medford, Oregon Posts: 2,261	If someone else doesn't get it for you sooner I can take some pictures with a tape measure late this week. Did your new mirror come with the mounting bracket? John __________________ 1964 Cutlass Factory 4spd 1965 442 4spd 1967 442 Auto 1967 Cutlass Convertible 1967 Cutlass four door daily driver 1968 442 Auto 1969 442 W30 Auto 1970 442 4spd 1971 Cutlass Flat Top Wagon 1973 Che*vy 3/4 Ton 454/TH400 Tow Vehicle Only the tow vehicle is finished!

March 23rd, 2009, 10:24 PM	#13 (permalink)
65az Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 133	Yes it did.. so I am good there. If a previous owner installed that mirror, it must have been done a long time ago.. the paint underneath it looks brand new.

March 24th, 2009, 03:38 AM	#14 (permalink)
Yellowstatue Certified Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Too close to Toronto!! Posts: 567	Reflections Besides the factory correct mirror you bought from Fusick, there was another ten or so different styles available from the dealer according to your taste...the base mounted on your car does not however show up in my accessory catalogues pictures from '60 to '67...the '65 GM cat number is 658...also there is a matching right side!!! __________________ '57 S88 HC et al; '68 442 M20; '68 442 M21; '68 W30; '68 Vista et al; '80 -'84 Regency et al; '96,'98.'99 Aurora..Ignition ON

March 24th, 2009, 12:03 PM	#15 (permalink)
Impin' Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 41	I'll try to remember to take a picture of the mirror on my car, with a tape measurer tonight and then post. Hope I can remember. :-)

March 24th, 2009, 09:54 PM	#16 (permalink)
Impin' Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 41	My mirror is slightly different from the one on your car and the one you bought. Here are the pics anyway. I hope it helps in some way.

March 24th, 2009, 09:55 PM	#17 (permalink)
Impin' Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 41	Okay....here are the links instead. http://picasaweb.google.com/mojokes/...68220961621426 http://picasaweb.google.com/mojokes/...68161948499650 http://picasaweb.google.com/mojokes/...68098786490498

March 25th, 2009, 11:09 AM	#19 (permalink)
TK-65 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 173	Impin has the remote mirror. Id take that broke base off the door and see if the two small holes for the stock mirror mount are there. I had a template for mounting the stock mirror but I cant find it. I have an NOS mirror on mine and the template came in the box with it.

March 25th, 2009, 01:03 PM	#20 (permalink)
65az Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 133	The holes are in a different pattern unfortunately.. I can hide them under the new base.. but I feel that mounting the base where the present one is, puts the stock mirror too low.. but I might not have a choice... can you shoot me a picture of your NOS installed mirror straight on?

March 25th, 2009, 07:24 PM	#21 (permalink)
Impin' Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 41	wmachine....i've seen it in a few mags and on a few others. I'll see can find other cars with that same mirror. If it's not, it'll just be one other thing I need to replace.

March 26th, 2009, 11:36 AM	#23 (permalink)
TK-65 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 173	Mirror is mounted in the middle of the door crease, 4 3/4 inches from the front of the door, 1 3/4 inches up from the door crease. Youll need the small mount that screws to the door in order to mount the mirror.

March 26th, 2009, 10:44 PM	#24 (permalink)
2blu442 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Medford, Oregon Posts: 2,261	1965 Mirror Mounting Well the more I look at this topic the more complicated it gets! I have two project cars, a 1964 Cutlass and a 1965 442. They both have remote mirrors that I believe are the same as the one Impin has. Then I have three parts cars, one 1964 F85 2 door and one 1965 4 door that have a mirror much like the one TK-65 has. I also have a 1965 4 door parts car with just the mounting bracket. These three brackets are all slightly different, and even the two non-remote mirrors have slightly different bases! So how many different kinds of mirrors could be had on a 1964 or 1965 Cutlass platform??? Yellowstatue, was there really 10 different ones? Attached are some photos of measurements for the mounting bracket. I have posted several more photos of the different mirrors and bases on my photobucket site. You can view those at: http://s90.photobucket.com/albums/k2...20Oldsmobiles/ This is the only one with the base being angled. John __________________ 1964 Cutlass Factory 4spd 1965 442 4spd 1967 442 Auto 1967 Cutlass Convertible 1967 Cutlass four door daily driver 1968 442 Auto 1969 442 W30 Auto 1970 442 4spd 1971 Cutlass Flat Top Wagon 1973 Chevy 3/4 Ton 454/TH400 Tow Vehicle Only the tow vehicle is finished! Last edited by 2blu442; March 26th, 2009 at 10:46 PM..*

March 27th, 2009, 03:22 AM	#25 (permalink)
Yellowstatue Certified Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Too close to Toronto!! Posts: 567	Mirrors for the masses Yes, there were a bunch...under the heading Mirrors-outside/Custom there are eight, but all GM's..so depending on what year item 3 or 6 would be for a Cutlass or a full size...and then under Mirrors-outside General purpose...there are five more styles....and then there are the remotes..'64-'65 F85 PN982395..'64 Olds 33-34-35-38-39 PN982202...this is out of GM cat #658 page 34 & 35..hope this helps add to the confusion __________________ '57 S88 HC et al; '68 442 M20; '68 442 M21; '68 W30; '68 Vista et al; '80 -'84 Regency et al; '96,'98.'99 Aurora..Ignition ON

March 27th, 2009, 11:58 AM	#26 (permalink)
65az Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 133	Wow... what a topic this turned out to be! And the worst part? I love the style of the broken mirror that was on my car... too bad I can't figure out what it was...oh well! Mounting the stock one today...thanks for all the great feedback and pictures...it really helped!

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