bayliner3255

One owner. Factory ordered with V8 350CID. All options except PW & Locks. 1/2 landau top white. 66,000 miles. always garaged. Never in snow. Ziebarted when new. All original. Perfect cond. Located SW Ohio near Dayton. Asking 15,500. Burgundy color, Velour seats. full size spare tire never on ground. Pictures available on request. See to appreciate. This is a rare one.

Rocket331

Really?

joe_padavano

The only factory-available 350 motor in 1984 was the diesel. Olds stopped making gasoline 350 motors (VIN R) after the 1980 model year. Even the Hurst/Olds only got a 307 in 1984. Of course, this is easy to prove, as the VIN has the engine code in the eighth position. Tell us what that letter or number is.

joe_padavano

Here's the page from the 1984 factory brochure that shows the available engines. 231 gas V6, 307 gas V8, and 260 and 350 diesel V8s.

bayliner3255

Yes really. Was factory ordered 350 engine. Paid extra for this

bayliner3255

350 engine? Serial number does designate it is a 307. However my sister who is now in her 70s ordered this car with a 350. She is very adamant about this. She is now searching for original paperwork on car which I am sure she has somewhere. If not will take car to GM dealer for verification or try to obtain the build sheet. Either way will supply more info later. Thanks

Professur

So what you've likely ended up with is a dealership engine swap. Do you know where to find the engine serial number?

joe_padavano

We've all heard hundreds of stories like this - a seller tries to justify a "one-of-none" car as some "special order" back door deal that makes it worth many times the book value. Every single time either the story falls apart or the seller and car are never heard from again. Sorry, but without ironclad factory documentation, this is just another one of those stories.

To recap, Oldsmobile did NOT have an EPA-certified 350 gasoline engine in the 1984 model year. It would have been AGAINST FEDERAL LAW for Olds to install such a non-certified engine and then sell that car to the public. This is why the engine code appears in the VIN -to allow verification that the installed engine is an EPA certified engien. It would also have been against the law for the dealership to install such an engine, however that has been done in the past. If, in fact, the dealership did install a 350 gas engine, that doesn't make it a rare "special order" car, just an engine swap that's no different than one done in your own garage.

bayliner3255

I am sorry if you think this was a story to make the car more valuable. Rest assured it was not. My sister still believes she has a car with a 350. What I am trying to do is either prove her right or wrong. Either way it is rare in the fact of its condition. I am new to this site and cant figure out how to post some pictures or I would. Will supply more info as I research further.

oldcutlass

I would assume you also have it listed in other venues, Craigslist, Ebay, etc possibly with pictures. Can you post a link to one of those ads?

bayliner3255

Here is the serial number. 1G3AM47Y4ER357115. I can tell you there was no dealer swap on engine. Whatever it has came straight from factory

bayliner3255

NO I have not listed it anywhere else yet

garys 68&72

Does that price include a 32 bayliner with a 350?

joe_padavano

The letter "Y" in the eighth position of the VIN says that it came from the factory with a 307. What is the casting number off the block?

jag1886

$15500 for an 84 Cutlass, I don't care if it comes with Joe Namath buried in the trunk it isn't worth that much.

bayliner3255

NO. My bayliner has a pair of 454s and would be triple that price if your truly interested

bayliner3255

OK what part of the block would it be on. Not much room to be searching for something

bayliner3255

GEE didn't know you had already inspected this car

bayliner3255

I do appreciate your help and input. A little history. My sister is a retired GM employee and she bought this car with inheritance from our father. She has babied this car and taken very good care of it. She told me what she thought it was worth. She wants to leave it to me but I have to many "toys" now. This is a second car for her and was only taken out on sunny days, mostly to church. Never a shopping center

oldcutlass

Pictures of car

oldcutlass

More pictures, the OP stated in his email that there is some paint checking on the top surfaces.

QS442

Looks like a very clean car. I am a fan of the 80s Cutlasses. Not trying to be an appraiser for your car but just offering some assistance. It may be hard to get your asking price. There are 1980s 442s and Hursts with same miles and condition that are priced less.

Car looks beautiful. Good luck with the sale

Professur

I've never quite understood buying a car that size in 2 door. The door alone is the size of a Smart car. How can you even get in in a parking lot? The door would need another full space beside it to swing open.

joe_padavano

Directly above the water pump, on the little "shelf where the oil fill tube is located.

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jaunty75

Joe, wash your hands before taking pictures.

Kyle's 77 Cutlass

Just proves he is not afraid to get his hands dirty And yes it is a very clean car but a little too much

joe_padavano

Once again, as a manager in an engineering company, I'm always ready to take credit for someone else's work.

Unfortunately, I just stole that photo off the web. That's not my car nor my body parts.

jaunty75

Ah, makes sense now. I didn't think you'd wear a shirt like that.

joe_padavano

I wouldn't have painted an Olds motor Ford blue, either...

bayliner3255

bayliner3255

verified it is a 307. Thanks for your help in clarifying this

bayliner3255

do have any input on current value of this car?

ThePackRat

I was staying out of this .....

But since you asked.

I'd say your initial asking price is at least 2x too much if not more.

Lacquer checking (tho' typical) does not equate to perfect.

The comment about similar mile & condition 80's Hurst & 442's going for less should be noted here as well.

However it does appear to be a clean well cared for car, much better than most of the crap out there.

Assuming the undercarriage is rust free ... I would take the car & throw it up on a lift somewhere to show that (with pix) - that should help some, as these cars were notorious for rear frame rail rot.

If I were you I would chop your price in half immediately if not sooner.

You'll still most likely be chopped in half at that point ...

But it might at least help jump start some conversation & negotiation.

And PICTURES PICTURES PICTURES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

When you talk up a car up & ask strong money ...

Decent sized/quality pix & lots of them become all the more important.

PS -

Won't even get into the 307 vs 350 thing ... everything said here already is on the money.

oldcutlass

Here is what Nada Classic car guide values it for, again it's just a guide.


http://www.nadaguides.com/Classic-Ca...r-Coupe/Values

garys 68&72

Check your local craigslist. Most "clean" mid 80s are asking $3-5k around here.

joe_padavano

Once again, asking prices are irrelevant. Go to ebay and check completed auctions. Only when cash actually changes hands is the price meaningful.

Unfortunately, even then that may not be meaningful. If you check completed auctions regularly, you'll find that many cars that "sold" end up being relisted a couple of weeks later.

Professur

Market, location and desirability are key. I spent 7 years hunting for a good B body wagon and had to fight off 2 others to get it ... Joe's unloading 2 of them for near scrap weight price.

W30Olds

I don't think you'll get your initial asking price, these mid eighties g bodies arent exactly collector car status holding high value, lots of them are cheap and affordable, hacked up hotrods and pro drag cars, not cars constituting frame off restorations, especially base cutlasses since millions of them were built very similar.

joe_padavano

I just checked completed auctions on ebay. In the last 30 days, exactly three 1987 Supremes were offered. The one that sold went for $630. The other two were 442s and neither met reserve when bidding stalled in the $5000-$5500 range. There were 10 Supremes in the 1985-1988 range, and the highest sale price was $3900. The car with 29,000 miles and an $11,500 starting bid got no bids both times it was listed.

bayliner3255

WOW. I guess maybe I will have another "TOY" in my garage. Will not sell it near what comments have been. To clean and original with no rust of any kind'
I very much appreciate all of your assistance everyone has provided.
Thanks again, Rick