Brakes will put me through the window!

chip_gikey · 10-31-2007, 06:31 PM

Not quite sure if this is even a "problem" but the brakes on my 63' dynamic 88 are very efficent......to say the least. I have to slowly and carefully ease into the pedal or it literally stops on a dime. I was going down the road a few weeks ago going maybe 15 miles per hour and i went to stop at a stop sign and and i almost hit the windshield it stopped so hard. Are these brakes just built like that because this is a huge car or is there something more to the puzzle im not seeing? Im almost afraid to drive it too fast because i know if i hit the brakes even a tiny bit too hard i know itll lock em up and that would not be good

Just curious if anyone had info on it id appreciate it.

ozoneblue · 10-31-2007, 06:43 PM

All 4 or have you tried adjusting the rear up?

chip_gikey · 11-01-2007, 03:57 AM

I havent done anything to them but im pretty sure its all four, but it feels like predominatly the front brakes are doing most of the stopping.

Oldsguy · 11-01-2007, 04:54 AM

Front brakes DO do most of the stopping. But you might want to adjust them a little so they don't engage so quickly.

chip_gikey · 11-01-2007, 08:25 AM

Thanks oldsguy, ill do that. Its not really a problem but its kind of annoying when you hit them a tad to hard and you fly forward. Although if i ever want to brake check a friend in the passenger side itll be awesome

Modern Motoring · 11-01-2007, 11:45 AM

my '63 98 has some damn powerful brakes also! That's with a dying booster, a starting to leak MC and all four wheels with way too much slack in the adjustment. Remember when these cars were new, power brakes and steering were still a relatively new thing. Customers wanted that "overpowered feel" so that they could prove to themselves that these options were worth the added expense. Take for example automatic transmissions. Engineers work for years to develop the smoothest shifting trans possible, or even a shiftless trans like Buick's Dyna flow.
You should try a Chrysler product from the late 50's to early 60's, they could put four flat spots on your tires real quick!

Olds64 · 11-02-2007, 05:21 PM

I agree with the above consensus. My 64 98 has strong brakes with the power assist. However, you should definitely take the hubs off and do an inspection. You can adjust the shoes, spray the hardware with brake clean and make sure everything is working ok. Drum brakes are pretty simple and you should be able to identify anything that is obviously wrong with the setup.

Jerry Weitz · 11-03-2007, 09:03 AM

Sounds like you might have some foreing material on the lining such as brake fluid or oil. The orginal brake linings had asbestos but that's been discontinued for some time. As a last resort I'd find out who the lining mfr. was and see if you could get some specs. as to the composition.

88 coupe · 11-03-2007, 11:28 AM

Brake fluid or oil, would have the opposite effect.

Norm

Olds64 · 11-03-2007, 12:48 PM

If you find that your brake shoes are worn or the linings have foreign material in them then you can always have the shoes re-lined. There should be a shop in your local phone book that does this (as long as you don't live in the middle of nowhere). Don't forget to have your drums turned if you replace your brake shoes.

Modern Motoring · 11-12-2007, 04:54 PM

you should be able to get shoes from NAPA real easy. I purchased a set for mine after I smacked the old one with a hammer while rebuilding the front end. Cracked that sucker good too! I called Booster Dewey and asked about my hissing non pedal returning booster, he said that the typical cause for that is a leaking master cylinder. Sure enough it leaked a good 4 to 6 Oz of fluid in the booster. Real nasty rusty goo! I sent it in and should have it back in a week.

Olds64 · 11-15-2007, 03:33 PM

You know, I wonder if my master cylinder is leaking. When I got my car out of storage the master cylinder resivoir was empty and there wasn't any nastiness behind the slave cylinders. I refilled the resivoir and bled the brakes and it has been working fine since. Hmmm...

Modern Motoring · 11-15-2007, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Olds64

You know, I wonder if my master cylinder is leaking. When I got my car out of storage the master cylinder resivoir was empty and there wasn't any nastiness behind the slave cylinders. I refilled the resivoir and bled the brakes and it has been working fine since. Hmmm...

Yes, mine was doing the same thing, always loosing fluid but no leakage at the wheel cylinders. The seal between the master and booster is real tight, so it's unlikely you would see it leaking. Most everything on my car is original and after 45 years, they're starting to go bad. A modern car wouldn't last 45 years with the same parts on it.

10-31-2007, 06:31 PM	#1 (permalink)
chip_gikey Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 39	Brakes will put me through the window! Not quite sure if this is even a "problem" but the brakes on my 63' dynamic 88 are very efficent......to say the least. I have to slowly and carefully ease into the pedal or it literally stops on a dime. I was going down the road a few weeks ago going maybe 15 miles per hour and i went to stop at a stop sign and and i almost hit the windshield it stopped so hard. Are these brakes just built like that because this is a huge car or is there something more to the puzzle im not seeing? Im almost afraid to drive it too fast because i know if i hit the brakes even a tiny bit too hard i know itll lock em up and that would not be good Just curious if anyone had info on it id appreciate it.

11-01-2007, 04:54 AM	#4 (permalink)
Oldsguy Administrator Join Date: May 2004 Location: Lees Summit MO Posts: 2,555	Front brakes DO do most of the stopping. But you might want to adjust them a little so they don't engage so quickly. __________________ Dan '46 2 door

11-03-2007, 11:28 AM	#9 (permalink)
88 coupe Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Southern CA Posts: 751	Brake fluid or oil, would have the opposite effect. Norm __________________ I love the reaction when they find out it's not a Big Block Chev . . . . . . . It gets even better when they find it's all Olds.

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10-31-2007, 06:43 PM	#2 (permalink)
ozoneblue Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 404	All 4 or have you tried adjusting the rear up?

11-01-2007, 03:57 AM	#3 (permalink)
chip_gikey Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 39	I havent done anything to them but im pretty sure its all four, but it feels like predominatly the front brakes are doing most of the stopping.

11-01-2007, 08:25 AM	#5 (permalink)
chip_gikey Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 39	Thanks oldsguy, ill do that. Its not really a problem but its kind of annoying when you hit them a tad to hard and you fly forward. Although if i ever want to brake check a friend in the passenger side itll be awesome

11-01-2007, 11:45 AM	#6 (permalink)
Modern Motoring Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 115	my '63 98 has some damn powerful brakes also! That's with a dying booster, a starting to leak MC and all four wheels with way too much slack in the adjustment. Remember when these cars were new, power brakes and steering were still a relatively new thing. Customers wanted that "overpowered feel" so that they could prove to themselves that these options were worth the added expense. Take for example automatic transmissions. Engineers work for years to develop the smoothest shifting trans possible, or even a shiftless trans like Buick's Dyna flow. You should try a Chrysler product from the late 50's to early 60's, they could put four flat spots on your tires real quick!

11-02-2007, 05:21 PM	#7 (permalink)
Olds64 Landyacht Club President Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Lawton, OK Posts: 1,094	I agree with the above consensus. My 64 98 has strong brakes with the power assist. However, you should definitely take the hubs off and do an inspection. You can adjust the shoes, spray the hardware with brake clean and make sure everything is working ok. Drum brakes are pretty simple and you should be able to identify anything that is obviously wrong with the setup.

11-03-2007, 09:03 AM	#8 (permalink)
Jerry Weitz Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 13	Sounds like you might have some foreing material on the lining such as brake fluid or oil. The orginal brake linings had asbestos but that's been discontinued for some time. As a last resort I'd find out who the lining mfr. was and see if you could get some specs. as to the composition.

11-03-2007, 12:48 PM	#10 (permalink)
Olds64 Landyacht Club President Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Lawton, OK Posts: 1,094	If you find that your brake shoes are worn or the linings have foreign material in them then you can always have the shoes re-lined. There should be a shop in your local phone book that does this (as long as you don't live in the middle of nowhere). Don't forget to have your drums turned if you replace your brake shoes.

11-12-2007, 04:54 PM	#11 (permalink)
Modern Motoring Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 115	you should be able to get shoes from NAPA real easy. I purchased a set for mine after I smacked the old one with a hammer while rebuilding the front end. Cracked that sucker good too! I called Booster Dewey and asked about my hissing non pedal returning booster, he said that the typical cause for that is a leaking master cylinder. Sure enough it leaked a good 4 to 6 Oz of fluid in the booster. Real nasty rusty goo! I sent it in and should have it back in a week.

11-15-2007, 03:33 PM	#12 (permalink)
Olds64 Landyacht Club President Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Lawton, OK Posts: 1,094	You know, I wonder if my master cylinder is leaking. When I got my car out of storage the master cylinder resivoir was empty and there wasn't any nastiness behind the slave cylinders. I refilled the resivoir and bled the brakes and it has been working fine since. Hmmm...