455 at the machine shop

Olds64 · 02-16-2008, 07:04 AM

Just wanted everyone to know that I took my 455 shortblock to the machine shop yesterday. I gave him some money to start disassembly, hot tanking, and magnafluxing. I hope everything is ok with the block. It did rotate when I bought it. The machinist took a quick measurement of a few of the cylinders and they were 4.125 or so. I guess that means it should be fine for .030" over.

The machinist had a 425 he just finished for a guy and it looked GOOD!

I can't wait until mine is all done and assembled like the 425. It was so cool looking sitting next to a bunch of Chevy and Ford motors. It sort of looked like my 455 and the 425 were going to beat up the other engines just for hanging around and being weak... well even though there was a Chevy big block with 14:1 compression pistons, timing gear instead of chain, zoomie headers and deep sump oil pan. I still think my greasy Olds block could have taken it like a baby seal... well maybe... probably... perhaps...

ANYWAYS... it is at the machine shop. I will keep everyone posted.

2blu442 · 02-16-2008, 07:37 AM

Cool! One of those important steps is a happening!!!

Cecil Anderson · 02-16-2008, 08:04 AM

I can almost hear it purrrrrrr excuse me gerrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Andy

J-(Chicago) · 02-16-2008, 08:15 AM

See this post in 2 months?

dar83501 · 02-16-2008, 12:38 PM

Betcha can't wait till you hear that thing idle....

...I can't wait to hear mine too, but this is the slowest retail time of the year, so I'm not making any money to put into my baby!

Good luck man.

Jolly Green · 02-16-2008, 05:21 PM

What is the most you'd expect to pay for a cleanup and rebuild on a 455? Lets say a mild street tune?

J-(Chicago) · 02-17-2008, 12:37 AM

My opinion for just a factory rebuild, no more than 3500.

Olds64 · 02-17-2008, 12:00 PM

The machinist I am using said he usually does stock to mild rebuilds for $1800-$3000. This includes all of the internal parts and the head work. When everything is said and done I expect to be at the high end of this range if not over. I plan on using an aftermarket intake and will eventually throw in HEI, new water pump, starter, alternator, etc.

dar83501 · 02-17-2008, 08:35 PM

luckily, I picked up a motor that was rebuilt at most 20,000 miles ago, and it has performance parts on it and is complete with transmission, only cost me $700 and about $40 in gas to go pick it up...the guy just needed room for his other projects and said it was just too much motor for his pickup since it chewed up his transmission.

Oldsguy · 02-18-2008, 06:56 AM

And you don't even have a car to put that thing in when it's done. You need to start looking son.

Modern Motoring · 02-18-2008, 07:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oldsguy

And you don't even have a car to put that thing in when it's done. You need to start looking son.

He should ask Norm, he might have something for him!

2blu442 · 02-18-2008, 08:04 AM

Well Dan maybe you ought to help him with that! You two could make a road trip to Oregon and have several to choose from!!!

Oldsguy · 02-18-2008, 08:48 AM

Oh yeah, but why Oregon, you have some for sale? See him about that, I am sure he will invite me if need be.

2blu442 · 02-18-2008, 08:59 AM

My goal was to sell parts to pay for the restoration of the "keepers". Every once in a while I have a moment of clarity when I admit I don't have enough time or money to build everything I've collected! John

dar83501 · 02-18-2008, 01:01 PM

It's going in my 1987 Cutlass Supreme.

No, I'm not crazy =)

dar83501 · 02-18-2008, 01:04 PM

However, if I did find a cheap '68-72 Cutlass, I'd be more than happy to take it off somebody's hands....if I could afford it, hehe.

88 coupe · 02-18-2008, 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Modern Motoring

He should ask Norm ........

My '70 will be for sale when my '65 is ready to take its place.

Norm

Oldsguy · 02-19-2008, 05:10 AM

I haven't been in SoCal for 33 years, might have to drive out there some day. How will the '65 take the place of the '70? As a daily driver or......?

88 coupe · 02-19-2008, 07:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oldsguy

........ As a daily driver or......?

Yip. Bought the '70, to flip, about five years ago. Decided to keep it for a DD, and sold my '64 El Camino.

Bought the '65, to flip, about a year and a half ago. Went back to plan A, sell the '70 instead.

Norm

Olds64 · 02-20-2008, 05:15 AM

Well, I still have the 64 but it has been for sale for awhile. Now the wife wants to buy a house. I need to be careful. Too many irons in the fire is a bad thing when it comes to Oldsmobiles.

Oldsguy · 02-20-2008, 06:45 AM

Although buying a house may not impinge on available money you would use for the car. It would affect your overall budget but if you plan on using the money from the sale of the '64 to purchase your next car then you would be dealing with two different pockets of money. Also, don't forget to take advantage of your GI benefits when purchasing your new house. You may qualify for no down payment when buying a house.

Jolly Green · 02-20-2008, 07:08 AM

Buying a house definitely made me "slow my roll" on buying a car. I just got lucky to find one I could afford. Darn closing costs dried up my "Jolly wants a classic car" cash fund.

Modern Motoring · 02-20-2008, 07:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jolly Green

Buying a house definitely made me "slow my roll" on buying a car. I just got lucky to find one I could afford. Darn closing costs dried up my "Jolly wants a classic car" cash fund.

I hear you on that! The wife and I are in the process of buying a little 3 acre ranch with a 4 stall barn, fenced and all. Only thing is the garage is too short for Marge! She's 20 ft long !

Oldsguy · 02-20-2008, 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Modern Motoring

Only thing is the garage is too short for Marge! She's 20 ft long !

hmm yes, a common problem with many houses built after the seventies. To save money I guess they built the garages to fit smaller cars, sort of the same reasoning behind the smaller parking spots. But having a large garage like that must be nice. I wish mine was bigger or had one more space.

Modern Motoring · 02-20-2008, 09:24 AM

yeah, go figure.. in 1976 when this house was built, Marge would have been only 13 years old ! Cars of the late 60's and early 70's were still behemoths. I had a house once that was built in 1960, prime year for barges, my 59 Dodge that I had at the time "just" fit in the garage!

Jolly Green · 02-20-2008, 11:29 PM

Well, I think its a problem of all year houses. My 93 house in Vegas has a two car garage. Which translates into a 2 Miata closet.

citcapp · 02-23-2008, 11:23 AM

Sounds great, I am in the same mode. Dropped my 455 at Jim Green's in Lynnwood, WA. Block and E heads were checked out and everything is good to go. Boring .040 over on Monday, using Cat "H" rods, Keith Black Flat top pistons. The whole assembly will then be balanced. The heads are big valve and will have hard seats installed. Cam choice is still up in the air as is going will roller style cam, roller, lifters, and roller rockers or flat tappet cam with just roller rockers. Next on the list is Carburation and automatic transmission choices. I wonder what hp this setup will make. This is all going into my 57 Olds Super 88. When I get the engine back from the machine shop I will post pictures.

Olds rules!!!!!

J-(Chicago) · 02-23-2008, 11:29 AM

455 in that 57 is going to be rowdy as hell.

Let me know how it works out.

02-16-2008, 07:04 AM	#1 (permalink)
Olds64 Landyacht Club President Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Lawton, OK Posts: 1,224	455 at the machine shop Just wanted everyone to know that I took my 455 shortblock to the machine shop yesterday. I gave him some money to start disassembly, hot tanking, and magnafluxing. I hope everything is ok with the block. It did rotate when I bought it. The machinist took a quick measurement of a few of the cylinders and they were 4.125 or so. I guess that means it should be fine for .030" over. The machinist had a 425 he just finished for a guy and it looked GOOD! I can't wait until mine is all done and assembled like the 425. It was so cool looking sitting next to a bunch of Chevy and Ford motors. It sort of looked like my 455 and the 425 were going to beat up the other engines just for hanging around and being weak... well even though there was a Chevy big block with 14:1 compression pistons, timing gear instead of chain, zoomie headers and deep sump oil pan. I still think my greasy Olds block could have taken it like a baby seal... well maybe... probably... perhaps... ANYWAYS... it is at the machine shop. I will keep everyone posted. __________________ "Some men are Baptists, others Catholics. My father was an OLDSMOBILE man." Ralphie Billingsley A Christmas Story 1983 "We rei-eign, supreme, ooooh god! Burrito supreme, and a chicken supreme, and a CUTLASS SUPREME!" Tenacious D 2007

02-16-2008, 07:37 AM	#2 (permalink)
2blu442 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Medford, Oregon Posts: 801	Cool! One of those important steps is a happening!!! __________________ 1964 Cutlass Factory 4spd 1965 442 4spd 1967 442 Auto 1967 Cutlass Convertible 1968 442 Auto 1969 442 W30 Auto 1970 442 4spd 1971 Cutlass Flat Top Wagon 1973 Che*vy 3/4 Ton 454/TH400 Tow Vehicle Only the tow vehicle is finished!

02-16-2008, 08:04 AM	#3 (permalink)
Cecil Anderson Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Cambridge England Posts: 47	Engine on the way I can almost hear it purrrrrrr excuse me gerrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Andy

02-16-2008, 08:15 AM	#4 (permalink)
J-(Chicago) Seasoned beater pilot. Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,514	See this post in 2 months? __________________ I'd rather have a numbers matching poker hand.

02-16-2008, 12:38 PM	#5 (permalink)
dar83501 Brewsmobile > Bluesmobile Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Lewiston, Idaho Posts: 272	Betcha can't wait till you hear that thing idle.... ...I can't wait to hear mine too, but this is the slowest retail time of the year, so I'm not making any money to put into my baby! Good luck man. __________________ 1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme 455 Big Block Project - "The Brewsmobile"

02-16-2008, 05:21 PM	#6 (permalink)
Jolly Green Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 119	What is the most you'd expect to pay for a cleanup and rebuild on a 455? Lets say a mild street tune?

02-17-2008, 12:37 AM	#7 (permalink)
J-(Chicago) Seasoned beater pilot. Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,514	My opinion for just a factory rebuild, no more than 3500. __________________ I'd rather have a numbers matching poker hand.

02-17-2008, 12:00 PM	#8 (permalink)
Olds64 Landyacht Club President Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Lawton, OK Posts: 1,224	The machinist I am using said he usually does stock to mild rebuilds for $1800-$3000. This includes all of the internal parts and the head work. When everything is said and done I expect to be at the high end of this range if not over. I plan on using an aftermarket intake and will eventually throw in HEI, new water pump, starter, alternator, etc. __________________ "Some men are Baptists, others Catholics. My father was an OLDSMOBILE man." Ralphie Billingsley A Christmas Story 1983 "We rei-eign, supreme, ooooh god! Burrito supreme, and a chicken supreme, and a CUTLASS SUPREME!" Tenacious D 2007

02-17-2008, 08:35 PM	#9 (permalink)
dar83501 Brewsmobile > Bluesmobile Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Lewiston, Idaho Posts: 272	luckily, I picked up a motor that was rebuilt at most 20,000 miles ago, and it has performance parts on it and is complete with transmission, only cost me $700 and about $40 in gas to go pick it up...the guy just needed room for his other projects and said it was just too much motor for his pickup since it chewed up his transmission. __________________ 1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme 455 Big Block Project - "The Brewsmobile"

02-18-2008, 06:56 AM	#10 (permalink)
Oldsguy Administrator Join Date: May 2004 Location: Lees Summit MO Posts: 2,762	And you don't even have a car to put that thing in when it's done. You need to start looking son. __________________ Dan '46 2 door

02-18-2008, 08:04 AM	#12 (permalink)
2blu442 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Medford, Oregon Posts: 801	Project Car Well Dan maybe you ought to help him with that! You two could make a road trip to Oregon and have several to choose from!!! __________________ 1964 Cutlass Factory 4spd 1965 442 4spd 1967 442 Auto 1967 Cutlass Convertible 1968 442 Auto 1969 442 W30 Auto 1970 442 4spd 1971 Cutlass Flat Top Wagon 1973 Che*vy 3/4 Ton 454/TH400 Tow Vehicle Only the tow vehicle is finished!

02-18-2008, 08:48 AM	#13 (permalink)
Oldsguy Administrator Join Date: May 2004 Location: Lees Summit MO Posts: 2,762	Oh yeah, but why Oregon, you have some for sale? See him about that, I am sure he will invite me if need be. __________________ Dan '46 2 door

02-18-2008, 08:59 AM	#14 (permalink)
2blu442 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Medford, Oregon Posts: 801	Project Car My goal was to sell parts to pay for the restoration of the "keepers". Every once in a while I have a moment of clarity when I admit I don't have enough time or money to build everything I've collected! John __________________ 1964 Cutlass Factory 4spd 1965 442 4spd 1967 442 Auto 1967 Cutlass Convertible 1968 442 Auto 1969 442 W30 Auto 1970 442 4spd 1971 Cutlass Flat Top Wagon 1973 Che*vy 3/4 Ton 454/TH400 Tow Vehicle Only the tow vehicle is finished!

02-18-2008, 01:01 PM	#15 (permalink)
dar83501 Brewsmobile > Bluesmobile Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Lewiston, Idaho Posts: 272	It's going in my 1987 Cutlass Supreme. No, I'm not crazy =) __________________ 1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme 455 Big Block Project - "The Brewsmobile"

02-18-2008, 01:04 PM	#16 (permalink)
dar83501 Brewsmobile > Bluesmobile Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Lewiston, Idaho Posts: 272	However, if I did find a cheap '68-72 Cutlass, I'd be more than happy to take it off somebody's hands....if I could afford it, hehe. __________________ 1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme 455 Big Block Project - "The Brewsmobile"

02-19-2008, 05:10 AM	#18 (permalink)
Oldsguy Administrator Join Date: May 2004 Location: Lees Summit MO Posts: 2,762	I haven't been in SoCal for 33 years, might have to drive out there some day. How will the '65 take the place of the '70? As a daily driver or......? __________________ Dan '46 2 door

02-20-2008, 05:15 AM	#20 (permalink)
Olds64 Landyacht Club President Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Lawton, OK Posts: 1,224	Well, I still have the 64 but it has been for sale for awhile. Now the wife wants to buy a house. I need to be careful. Too many irons in the fire is a bad thing when it comes to Oldsmobiles. __________________ "Some men are Baptists, others Catholics. My father was an OLDSMOBILE man." Ralphie Billingsley A Christmas Story 1983 "We rei-eign, supreme, ooooh god! Burrito supreme, and a chicken supreme, and a CUTLASS SUPREME!" Tenacious D 2007

02-20-2008, 06:45 AM	#21 (permalink)
Oldsguy Administrator Join Date: May 2004 Location: Lees Summit MO Posts: 2,762	Although buying a house may not impinge on available money you would use for the car. It would affect your overall budget but if you plan on using the money from the sale of the '64 to purchase your next car then you would be dealing with two different pockets of money. Also, don't forget to take advantage of your GI benefits when purchasing your new house. You may qualify for no down payment when buying a house. __________________ Dan '46 2 door

02-20-2008, 07:08 AM	#22 (permalink)
Jolly Green Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 119	Buying a house definitely made me "slow my roll" on buying a car. I just got lucky to find one I could afford. Darn closing costs dried up my "Jolly wants a classic car" cash fund.

02-20-2008, 09:24 AM	#25 (permalink)
Modern Motoring Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 119	yeah, go figure.. in 1976 when this house was built, Marge would have been only 13 years old ! Cars of the late 60's and early 70's were still behemoths. I had a house once that was built in 1960, prime year for barges, my 59 Dodge that I had at the time "just" fit in the garage!

02-20-2008, 11:29 PM	#26 (permalink)
Jolly Green Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 119	Well, I think its a problem of all year houses. My 93 house in Vegas has a two car garage. Which translates into a 2 Miata closet.

02-23-2008, 11:23 AM	#27 (permalink)
citcapp Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Bothell, WA Posts: 66	455 build Sounds great, I am in the same mode. Dropped my 455 at Jim Green's in Lynnwood, WA. Block and E heads were checked out and everything is good to go. Boring .040 over on Monday, using Cat "H" rods, Keith Black Flat top pistons. The whole assembly will then be balanced. The heads are big valve and will have hard seats installed. Cam choice is still up in the air as is going will roller style cam, roller, lifters, and roller rockers or flat tappet cam with just roller rockers. Next on the list is Carburation and automatic transmission choices. I wonder what hp this setup will make. This is all going into my 57 Olds Super 88. When I get the engine back from the machine shop I will post pictures. Olds rules!!!!!

02-23-2008, 11:29 AM	#28 (permalink)
J-(Chicago) Seasoned beater pilot. Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,514	455 in that 57 is going to be rowdy as hell. Let me know how it works out. __________________ I'd rather have a numbers matching poker hand.