friskyjake

O2C Body


ST 67-33867 BF00329

TR 984 T1 Paint

B80

F98499 130352

lemoldsnut

This website will help you with many questions

http://www.oldsmobility.com/oldsmo/index.php

friskyjake

Tired , but it says my username is in nonactive. contact administer. How do you do that

Koda

You don't have to register.

O2C Body (Third week of Feb)
ST 67-33867 BF00329 (Cutlass Supreme Convertible)
TR 984 T1 Paint (Champagne bench seat, I think. T-1 is Ivory paint and a black ragtop, I believe. )
B80 (Chrome drip rail moldings)
F98499 130352 (Fremont numbers, no clue)

http://www.oldsmobility.com/oldsmo/v....php?f=12&t=18

Octania

"BF00329"

Body #00329, seems like that would be the 1st week of production.

Almost the lowest body # I have ever seen.

hurst68olds

Body numbers are based on body type - so, it would be the 329th '67 Cutlass Supreme convertible body at Fremont - which would be about 50 "338677Z" bodies a month.

hurst68olds

B80 (Chrome drip rail moldings)


Interesting that it has chrome drip rail mouldings on a CONVERTIBLE??

hurst68olds

Here's the tag on my Fremont built '67 Cutlass Supreme 2 door HOLIDAY coupe "338177Z".


7Z109895 = 9,895th Oldsmobile assigned VIN at Fremont (~1,600 a month)
BF004231 = 4,231st Cutlass Supreme HOLIDAY coupe at Fremont (~530 a month)

hurst68olds

TR 984 T1 PAINT (984 is "champagne" bench seat & T1 is "cameo ivory" paint and a "white" convertible top)

"Early" champagne interiored cars had "GOLD" dash/carpet & "Late" cars had "BLACK" dash/carpet. February is pretty much the middle - what color is your dash/carpet?

wmachine

Not at Fremont, it wouldn't be the first week by far, especially a convertible. And in '67 they were also made in Framingham. But most were produced in Lansing.
Attached is #116 1967 Cutlass Supreme Convertible from Lansing, and #25 1966 Cutlass Convertible also from Lansing.

friskyjake

The dash is gold in color the carpet is a lite brown. The top is white also. I,ve owned this car for 28 years. It is un-restored. I have the build sheet & the pro-tecto plate. It was ordered with the 4 speed [m20] & no p/s & no p/brakes. It has tinted glass & the bench seat has the fold down arm rest.. It now has 64,030 miles on it. The car was ordered from Money,s Olds in Phoenix Arz. [not in business anymore] It also had steel wheels & spoke type wire wheel hubcaps. I don,t know if this helps with those other #,s that no one knows what they mean. friskyjake

Koda

Yeah, that's probably chrome belt moldings. I was quoting that site.

hurst68olds

The "F98499" is the "ORDER NUMBER" found in box # 111 on the build sheet. (& I'd "ASSUME" on the upper right of a window sticker).


& the build sheet's line on B80 reads:


*B80 RF SCALP MLDG

Here's the lower left corner of the build sheet for my '67 Cutlass Supreme - 338177Z109895.

hurst68olds

attaching a pic would help

hurst68olds

Here's a pdf I worked up based on the info on the build sheet for my CS. I could do the same for friskyjake's 442 if you could post or email pics of the build sheet & p-o-p. dhead68 AT hotmail.com

friskyjake

Here are 2 pictures of the data plate and build sheet.

hurst68olds

So, the bottom line numbers on the body tag of a '67 Fremont built Oldsmobile are:

my Cutlass Supreme (G72032 & 040534):
G72032 = Order Number (box 111 on build sheet)
040534 =
04 from (box 20 on build sheet) "SCHED. NO. DATE" ~ WAG 4th car scheduled for Friday, 2/3/67 ??
&
0534 from (box 24 on build sheet) "DP SEQ. NO." any ideas??

friskyjake's 442 (F98499 & 130352):
F98499 = Order Number (box 111 on build sheet)
130352 =
13 from (box 20 on build sheet) "SCHED. NO. DATE" ~ WAG 13th car scheduled for Friday, 2/17/67 ??
&
0352 from (box 24 on build sheet) "DP SEQ. NO." any ideas??


Is it a coincidence that the dates in box 20 are both Fridays? Anyone have other '67 Fremont build sheets?


WAG ~ 534th car (02A) February 1st week (scheduled/built?)
WAG ~ 352nd car (02C) February 3rd week (scheduled/built?)


The other number in box 24 (a sequence number of some significance?):
CS: 010466 - 9895 (VIN sequence) = 571 (awful close to 534 +37)
442: 011091 - 10723 (VIN sequence) = 368 (awful close to 352 +16)

friskyjake

hust68olds I sent you a e-mail to your hotmail ,com . Came back as no good. Could you confirm please. ozziefriesen@yahoo.com

wmachine

[QUOTE=hurst68olds;636997]
my Cutlass Supreme 040534:
Part of the "manifest sequence number", upper right of build sheet. Earlier Fremont build sheets (like '65) have this cowl tag number complete on the build sheet.

friskyjake's 442 130352: same

My understanding is the the manifest number is basically an identifier that put all the assembly info together for the car. It was not an indexing number for production, however, as I have found smaller manifest numbers with later body dates. Of course larger numbers are generally later production. But they are manifest sequence numbers, not production sequence numbers.

GAOldsman

Pretty cool friskyjake that it shows Special Hood on the build sheet. Which hood does it have? My window sticker on my '72 has that but mine was the W25 OAI hood.

friskyjake

Thanks to everyone for all the responses. I love this car but I go into the hospital ,2 weeks to-morrow for open heart surgery. need a aortic valve. Then if everything works out ok I,ll not be able to drive for some time. thanks again.

friskyjake

It has the louvered hood that came on 442,s only in the year 1967

GAOldsman

Ah thanks. Good luck with the surgery and here is to a full recovery

hurst68olds

Here's the decode on friskyjake's 442, my 330 auto CS w/AC hardtop was $75 more expensive than his 400 4-spd 442 convertible.

wmachine

Great worksheet, Dan. Good way to show available options in a more specific way.
One minor technicality there:
The L78 is a subset of the the W29, not the other way around as you show it. W29 is a group 35 code, and the L78 is "mandatory" with the W29.

friskyjake

Thanks you Dan for all your work. Excellent. I left you a message @ your phone #. I.ll be able to tell you all the other things that were put on the car by the dealership before it went to the owner.

hurst68olds

WELL!!! ..... the "SPECS" catalog for '67 shows the "OPTION" as L78 = "442 Performance Package".


????????????

wmachine

Yes, it does. In a nutshell, it is more like "backward compatibility".

The ordering from the dealer appears to be done from Group 37 and higher. (Reference dearler order forms). Group 37 is pretty much engine options. L78 is a Group 37 engine option for the 442. Group 35 (reference the Inspection Manuals) is where the W29 option is shown with it's sub RPOs including the L78.
So when you check off the L78 on the order form, you get the W29. But not because the W29 is part of the L78 option.
I don't know why they set up the "ordering" that way. I'm guessing it may have been an evolutionary thing, where it wasn't really set up to be done that way, it just evolved from previous procedures. Not surprisingly, the systems and procedures were constantly changing.

425HP409

I hope your surgery went well. I also have a Fremont built 67 442, where did you find your build sheet?
Thanks, Charles

425HP409

I have a 67 442 that was built at the Fremont plant, where did you find the build sheets?
thanks, Charles

hurst68olds

My CS's was found under the carpet - passenger side front.

joe_padavano

Coming in a little late, but looking at this build sheet, there are a few interesting items.



The car is a convertible, but note that RPO F35 HD frame is called out separately.

RPO W29 is clearly called out as the "442 Perf Pkg".

"T42 Special Hood", "T52 Front Fend Asm", "G69 Rear Stab Shaft", and "V21 Radiator Gril" are all called out separately.

RPO L78 is the "399 HC 4-BBL E[ngine]". I find this interesting because by my math, a 4.000 bore and a 3.98 stroke yields 400.1 cu in.

hurst68olds

I wonder if for simplicity to lessen the chance for errors & since FREMONT had BOP&C that Buicks were labeled as 401, Olds 399, Pontiac 400, and Chevy 396?


When there is a frame sitting there, you can't check the emblems to see what color engine should be installed.

halfmoontrail

It's also interesting that the cowl tag doesn't have the "5V" designation, maybe specific to Lansing? It's my understanding that the 5V on a cowl tag is definitive for '67 442.

Steve

joe_padavano

That's an interesting thought, except the Poncho comes out to 399.9 cu in vs 400.1 for the Olds.

joe_padavano

Actually, it is peculiar to Fremont (and well documented) that Fremont did NOT use the 4V/5V cowl tag designation.

hurst68olds

..... but PONTIAC had more clout at GM - back to the hierarchy thing. (or maybe the Buick is 400 - Olds 399 - Pontiac 398) Any more FREMONT sheets out there?

halfmoontrail

Thanks, Joe. I guess it's a good thing that Fremont is perhaps the most likely plant to find a build sheet in this case.
Steve

wmachine

All of the options shown with a * are included options, not order options. I don't know why those particular ones are spelled out, as they are generally covered by broadcast codes in their respective locations. Probably just a redundancy to help out on the line.

It is not just the column 5 "V" designation, it was all of the body accessory codes that were used in Lansing (and Framingham). Fremont did not have any of those accessory codes on their body tags.

wmachine

The devil is in the details. The stroke is actually 3.975, and that works out to 399.73 cid.
Simple, they just truncated it to 399. No need consider how to round it off.

Joe, I know you're always looking for a way to squeeze out more cubes!