4-4-2 or 4-42?

UCF72Cutlass · 05-23-2008, 06:21 AM

Ive heard people say it both ways. Im pretty sure your suppose to say 4-4-2 but 4-42 does sound pretty cool. I usually say 4-4-2 if i know im talking to a hardcore olds guy but with anyone else 4-42 probably comes out.

344870M · 05-23-2008, 06:57 AM

4-42 makes my flesh crawl.

But that's just me.

Boiler_81 · 05-23-2008, 07:04 AM

Agree, it is a 4-4-2

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Originally Posted by 344870M

4-42 makes my flesh crawl.

But that's just me.

Omicron · 05-23-2008, 07:14 AM

Definitely "four four two." Originally came from 4 barrel carb, 4 speed transmission, and dual (2) exhaust. Not "four fourty two." But really its whatever makes ya happy.

It's kinda like calling a firearm magazine a "clip" - the latter makes purists cringe as it's not technically correct, but most people do it. I suppose one could call a Cutlass a "Cutl-ASS" too.

Run to Rund · 05-28-2008, 03:38 PM

Pontiac named their competitor car GTO because it means Go To Olds

Allan R · 07-21-2008, 07:59 PM

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Pontiac named their competitor car GTO because it means Go To Olds

Not quite - Gran Turismo Omologato . Its Italian for homologated racing in the GT class.
BUT<> I accept your moniker. I've heard others about other brands that would be sensored if I put them here. CHEERS!

rocketraider · 07-22-2008, 04:12 AM

We always said it meant gas tires and oil- as in it used a lot of all three!

Yup- FOUR FOUR TWO. I've been known to correct people publicly when they say four forty two. And don't even come at me with that four hundred forty two cubic inch engine mess. I'll publicly embarrass you.

Oldsguy · 07-22-2008, 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by rocketraider

We always said it meant gas tires and oil- as in it used a lot of all three!

Yup- FOUR FOUR TWO. I've been known to correct people publicly when they say four forty two. And don't even come at me with that four hundred forty two cubic inch engine mess. I'll publicly embarrass you.

Interestingly I read a thread yesterday over at ROP asking about the largest displacement SBO and BBO anyone has encountered/built. Someone mentioned a way to achieve 442 cubic inches in a SBO and commented that it would be novel to have a 442 with a 442 cubic inch engine!

Lady72nRob71 · 07-22-2008, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Oldsguy

...it would be novel to have a 442 with a 442 cubic inch engine!

I have met many a city folks who thought that was what 442 meant...

amh555 · 07-22-2008, 12:05 PM

The GTO wasn't a "competitor" it was the first of it's kind, all the rest were after it. In these parts 4-4-2 meant car that rich daddy took you to the dealer to buy in his (fleet)wood, 9-8 or 225 , I mean deuce and a quarter.

I was in my GTO/goat? and was told to "Go to Olds" so I got the Vista, who says you can't have both? If I ever go to furd I told my wife to shoot me... really.

Allan

Oldsguy · 07-22-2008, 01:21 PM

A little friendly competition between GM brands is allowed, even here. Although I would think that Ford people would point to the Mustang in late '64 as the introduction to the pony car market segment. Muscle car? what does that mean, to six people it will mean six different things. 442, GTO, Charger, GTX, on and on and on. My friend says a true muscle car has three pedals. So, is the GTO a muscle car or a pony car? Is the 442 a muscle car or a pony car? What about the first overhead valve V8s introduced in 1949 by Oldsmobile, where they the first muscle cars? Then, what about the Ford flathead rule of supremacy in the 30s, and 40s, and some would say even into the 50s? To each our own. Heck, I can even allow the kids today with their "tuners" what else are they going to hot-rod and race? Give' em mom's old Civic and let 'em go!

Olds64 · 07-22-2008, 02:48 PM

I think there have been a few muscle cars in recent years. The Buick GN was definitely a muscle car. The early to mid 90s Chevy Impala was a muscle car. The recent Dodge Chargers are muscle cars (if they have the SRT-8 engine). Finally, the new Dodge Challenger is also a muscle car. IMHO...

citcapp · 07-22-2008, 04:44 PM

Heck in the 60's, The factory made just about everything into a muscle car with their program options. full size pontiac 2DR post 421 , 4-speed standard steering, standard brakes, fast car. Plymouth Belvadere 2 door post 413 push button auto, the list goes on and on

GoodOldsGuy · 07-28-2008, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by amh555

The GTO wasn't a "competitor" it was the first of it's kind, all the rest were after it. In these parts 4-4-2 meant car that rich daddy took you to the dealer to buy in his (fleet)wood, 9-8 or 225 , I mean deuce and a quarter.

I was in my GTO/goat? and was told to "Go to Olds" so I got the Vista, who says you can't have both? If I ever go to furd I told my wife to shoot me... really.

Allan

HMMM...which came first. The GTO or the Cutlass Police Package?

Anyone ever hear of a Motion (performance) 68 Olds 442?

Regards,

Fred

rocketraider · 07-28-2008, 08:51 PM

There were some pictures of a Motion 442 in some magazine a while back but I cannot remember which one.

I think the Cutlass police option stuff was there and available before the GTO hit the streets, but it conveniently answered Pontiac's challenge without a whole lot of fuss. I think a quick emblem tooling job was about all they had to make. That and contract with U.S. Royal for some of their new high performance (by 1964 standards anyway) redline tires.

joe_padavano · 07-29-2008, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by GoodOldsGuy

Anyone ever hear of a Motion (performance) 68 Olds 442?

Regards,

Fred

Yes. I also recall the magazine article, but not the magazine or date.

mugzilla · 07-29-2008, 11:20 PM

400 ci ...

400 trans ...

dual ex ...

joe_padavano · 07-30-2008, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by mugzilla

400 ci ...

400 trans ...

dual ex ...

Nope. Consider that the first (1964) 442 came with a 330 and a 4 speed.

mugzilla · 07-30-2008, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by joe_padavano

Nope. Consider that the first (1964) 442 came with a 330 and a 4 speed.

I'm talking about the first automatic cars ...

I know what it originally stood for ...

I have a '70 and when I show it everybody asks how the 442 designation

applies ...

Oldsguy · 07-30-2008, 11:02 AM

Sure it didn't mean "I got a 44 under the seat, two of them!"

joe_padavano · 07-30-2008, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by mugzilla

I'm talking about the first automatic cars ...

I know what it originally stood for ...

I have a '70 and when I show it everybody asks how the 442 designation

applies ...

Well, that's not correct either, I'm afraid.

For 1964 it was 4 speed, 4bbl, dual exh
For 1965 it was 400 engine, 4bbl, dual exh
For 1966 it was meaningless, since you could get a 3x2 bbl that year, or a 2bbl starting in 1968, or a 455 starting in 1970, or a 350 2bbl starting in 1972...

Olds64 · 07-30-2008, 01:46 PM

What did 442 mean in 1991? I bet that was the best 442 of all!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldsmobile_442

joe_padavano · 07-30-2008, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Olds64

What did 442 mean in 1991? I bet that was the best 442 of all!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldsmobile_442

Uh, FOUR cylinder, FOUR valves, and TOO slow?

Apologies to all the Quad442 owners.

88 coupe · 07-30-2008, 05:31 PM

Interpolating from the '64 (Four barrels, forty-two on the floor).

Would that make it Four cylinders and forty-two valves?

Norm

Olds64 · 07-30-2008, 08:24 PM

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FOUR cylinder, FOUR valves, and TOO slow

mugzilla · 07-30-2008, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by joe_padavano

Well, that's not correct either, I'm afraid.

For 1964 it was 4 speed, 4bbl, dual exh
For 1965 it was 400 engine, 4bbl, dual exh
For 1966 it was meaningless, since you could get a 3x2 bbl that year, or a 2bbl starting in 1968, or a 455 starting in 1970, or a 350 2bbl starting in 1972...

Like I said this topic is always good to go ...

thanks ...

05-23-2008, 06:21 AM	#1 (permalink)
UCF72Cutlass Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 46	4-4-2 or 4-42? Ive heard people say it both ways. Im pretty sure your suppose to say 4-4-2 but 4-42 does sound pretty cool. I usually say 4-4-2 if i know im talking to a hardcore olds guy but with anyone else 4-42 probably comes out.

05-23-2008, 06:57 AM	#2 (permalink)
344870M Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: n/w PA Posts: 24	4-42 makes my flesh crawl. But that's just me. __________________ 1970 W-30 4spd, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y_OKnABGJ0 Why is there a "Z" on my trim tag!!??

05-23-2008, 07:14 AM	#4 (permalink)
Omicron Administrator & Motorhead Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Boulder County, Colorado Posts: 165	Definitely "four four two." Originally came from 4 barrel carb, 4 speed transmission, and dual (2) exhaust. Not "four fourty two." But really its whatever makes ya happy. It's kinda like calling a firearm magazine a "clip" - the latter makes purists cringe as it's not technically correct, but most people do it. I suppose one could call a Cutlass a "Cutl-ASS" too. __________________ Paul '71 Convertible 442

07-22-2008, 04:12 AM	#7 (permalink)
rocketraider Oldsdruid Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Danville Vajenya, the Last Capital of Dixie Posts: 543	We always said it meant gas tires and oil- as in it used a lot of all three! Yup- FOUR FOUR TWO. I've been known to correct people publicly when they say four forty two. And don't even come at me with that four hundred forty two cubic inch engine mess. I'll publicly embarrass you. __________________ I know absolutely nothing about Oldsmobiles. Just ask the owner of Oldspower.com

07-22-2008, 01:21 PM	#11 (permalink)
Oldsguy Administrator Join Date: May 2004 Location: Lees Summit MO Posts: 3,651	A little friendly competition between GM brands is allowed, even here. Although I would think that Ford people would point to the Mustang in late '64 as the introduction to the pony car market segment. Muscle car? what does that mean, to six people it will mean six different things. 442, GTO, Charger, GTX, on and on and on. My friend says a true muscle car has three pedals. So, is the GTO a muscle car or a pony car? Is the 442 a muscle car or a pony car? What about the first overhead valve V8s introduced in 1949 by Oldsmobile, where they the first muscle cars? Then, what about the Ford flathead rule of supremacy in the 30s, and 40s, and some would say even into the 50s? To each our own. Heck, I can even allow the kids today with their "tuners" what else are they going to hot-rod and race? Give' em mom's old Civic and let 'em go! __________________ Dan '77 Cutlass Supreme '46 2 door

05-28-2008, 03:38 PM	#5 (permalink)
Run to Rund Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 183	Pontiac named their competitor car GTO because it means Go To Olds

07-22-2008, 12:05 PM	#10 (permalink)
amh555 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 426	The GTO wasn't a "competitor" it was the first of it's kind, all the rest were after it. In these parts 4-4-2 meant car that rich daddy took you to the dealer to buy in his (fleet)wood, 9-8 or 225 , I mean deuce and a quarter. I was in my GTO/goat? and was told to "Go to Olds" so I got the Vista, who says you can't have both? If I ever go to furd I told my wife to shoot me... really. Allan

07-22-2008, 02:48 PM	#12 (permalink)
Olds64 Landyacht Club President Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Lawton, OK Posts: 2,297	I think there have been a few muscle cars in recent years. The Buick GN was definitely a muscle car. The early to mid 90s Chevy Impala was a muscle car. The recent Dodge Chargers are muscle cars (if they have the SRT-8 engine). Finally, the new Dodge Challenger is also a muscle car. IMHO... __________________ "Some men are Baptists, others Catholics. My father was an OLDSMOBILE man." Ralphie Billingsley A Christmas Story 1983 "We rei-eign, supreme, ooooh god! Burrito supreme, and a chicken supreme, and a CUTLASS SUPREME!" Tenacious D 2007

07-22-2008, 04:44 PM	#13 (permalink)
citcapp Moderator Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Bothell, WA Posts: 680	Heck in the 60's, The factory made just about everything into a muscle car with their program options. full size pontiac 2DR post 421 , 4-speed standard steering, standard brakes, fast car. Plymouth Belvadere 2 door post 413 push button auto, the list goes on and on

07-28-2008, 08:51 PM	#15 (permalink)
rocketraider Oldsdruid Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Danville Vajenya, the Last Capital of Dixie Posts: 543	There were some pictures of a Motion 442 in some magazine a while back but I cannot remember which one. I think the Cutlass police option stuff was there and available before the GTO hit the streets, but it conveniently answered Pontiac's challenge without a whole lot of fuss. I think a quick emblem tooling job was about all they had to make. That and contract with U.S. Royal for some of their new high performance (by 1964 standards anyway) redline tires. __________________ I know absolutely nothing about Oldsmobiles. Just ask the owner of Oldspower.com

07-29-2008, 11:20 PM	#17 (permalink)
mugzilla Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: dogtown Posts: 207	400 ci ... 400 trans ... dual ex ...

07-30-2008, 11:02 AM	#20 (permalink)
Oldsguy Administrator Join Date: May 2004 Location: Lees Summit MO Posts: 3,651	Sure it didn't mean "I got a 44 under the seat, two of them!" __________________ Dan '77 Cutlass Supreme '46 2 door

07-30-2008, 01:46 PM	#22 (permalink)
Olds64 Landyacht Club President Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Lawton, OK Posts: 2,297	What did 442 mean in 1991? I bet that was the best 442 of all! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldsmobile_442 __________________ "Some men are Baptists, others Catholics. My father was an OLDSMOBILE man." Ralphie Billingsley A Christmas Story 1983 "We rei-eign, supreme, ooooh god! Burrito supreme, and a chicken supreme, and a CUTLASS SUPREME!" Tenacious D 2007