4-4-2 or 4-42?

UCF72Cutlass · May 23rd, 2008, 06:21 AM

Ive heard people say it both ways. Im pretty sure your suppose to say 4-4-2 but 4-42 does sound pretty cool. I usually say 4-4-2 if i know im talking to a hardcore olds guy but with anyone else 4-42 probably comes out.

344870M · May 23rd, 2008, 06:57 AM

4-42 makes my flesh crawl.

But that's just me.

Boiler_81 · May 23rd, 2008, 07:04 AM

Agree, it is a 4-4-2

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Originally Posted by 344870M

4-42 makes my flesh crawl.

But that's just me.

Omicron · May 23rd, 2008, 07:14 AM

Definitely "four four two." Originally came from 4 barrel carb, 4 speed transmission, and dual (2) exhaust. Not "four fourty two." But really its whatever makes ya happy.

It's kinda like calling a firearm magazine a "clip" - the latter makes purists cringe as it's not technically correct, but most people do it. I suppose one could call a Cutlass a "Cutl-ASS" too.

Run to Rund · May 28th, 2008, 03:38 PM

Pontiac named their competitor car GTO because it means Go To Olds

Allan R · July 21st, 2008, 07:59 PM

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Pontiac named their competitor car GTO because it means Go To Olds

Not quite - Gran Turismo Omologato . Its Italian for homologated racing in the GT class.
BUT<> I accept your moniker. I've heard others about other brands that would be sensored if I put them here. CHEERS!

rocketraider · July 22nd, 2008, 04:12 AM

We always said it meant gas tires and oil- as in it used a lot of all three!

Yup- FOUR FOUR TWO. I've been known to correct people publicly when they say four forty two. And don't even come at me with that four hundred forty two cubic inch engine mess. I'll publicly embarrass you.

Oldsguy · July 22nd, 2008, 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by rocketraider

We always said it meant gas tires and oil- as in it used a lot of all three!

Yup- FOUR FOUR TWO. I've been known to correct people publicly when they say four forty two. And don't even come at me with that four hundred forty two cubic inch engine mess. I'll publicly embarrass you.

Interestingly I read a thread yesterday over at ROP asking about the largest displacement SBO and BBO anyone has encountered/built. Someone mentioned a way to achieve 442 cubic inches in a SBO and commented that it would be novel to have a 442 with a 442 cubic inch engine!

Lady72nRob71 · July 22nd, 2008, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Oldsguy

...it would be novel to have a 442 with a 442 cubic inch engine!

I have met many a city folks who thought that was what 442 meant...

Bluevista · July 22nd, 2008, 12:05 PM

The GTO wasn't a "competitor" it was the first of it's kind, all the rest were after it. In these parts 4-4-2 meant car that rich daddy took you to the dealer to buy in his (fleet)wood, 9-8 or 225 , I mean deuce and a quarter.

I was in my GTO/goat? and was told to "Go to Olds" so I got the Vista, who says you can't have both? If I ever go to furd I told my wife to shoot me... really.

Allan

Oldsguy · July 22nd, 2008, 01:21 PM

A little friendly competition between GM brands is allowed, even here. Although I would think that Ford people would point to the Mustang in late '64 as the introduction to the pony car market segment. Muscle car? what does that mean, to six people it will mean six different things. 442, GTO, Charger, GTX, on and on and on. My friend says a true muscle car has three pedals. So, is the GTO a muscle car or a pony car? Is the 442 a muscle car or a pony car? What about the first overhead valve V8s introduced in 1949 by Oldsmobile, where they the first muscle cars? Then, what about the Ford flathead rule of supremacy in the 30s, and 40s, and some would say even into the 50s? To each our own. Heck, I can even allow the kids today with their "tuners" what else are they going to hot-rod and race? Give' em mom's old Civic and let 'em go!

Olds64 · July 22nd, 2008, 02:48 PM

I think there have been a few muscle cars in recent years. The Buick GN was definitely a muscle car. The early to mid 90s Chevy Impala was a muscle car. The recent Dodge Chargers are muscle cars (if they have the SRT-8 engine). Finally, the new Dodge Challenger is also a muscle car. IMHO...

citcapp · July 22nd, 2008, 04:44 PM

Heck in the 60's, The factory made just about everything into a muscle car with their program options. full size pontiac 2DR post 421 , 4-speed standard steering, standard brakes, fast car. Plymouth Belvadere 2 door post 413 push button auto, the list goes on and on

GoodOldsGuy · July 28th, 2008, 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by amh555

The GTO wasn't a "competitor" it was the first of it's kind, all the rest were after it. In these parts 4-4-2 meant car that rich daddy took you to the dealer to buy in his (fleet)wood, 9-8 or 225 , I mean deuce and a quarter.

I was in my GTO/goat? and was told to "Go to Olds" so I got the Vista, who says you can't have both? If I ever go to furd I told my wife to shoot me... really.

Allan

HMMM...which came first. The GTO or the Cutlass Police Package?

Anyone ever hear of a Motion (performance) 68 Olds 442?

Regards,

Fred

rocketraider · July 28th, 2008, 08:51 PM

There were some pictures of a Motion 442 in some magazine a while back but I cannot remember which one.

I think the Cutlass police option stuff was there and available before the GTO hit the streets, but it conveniently answered Pontiac's challenge without a whole lot of fuss. I think a quick emblem tooling job was about all they had to make. That and contract with U.S. Royal for some of their new high performance (by 1964 standards anyway) redline tires.

joe_padavano · July 29th, 2008, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by GoodOldsGuy

Anyone ever hear of a Motion (performance) 68 Olds 442?

Regards,

Fred

Yes. I also recall the magazine article, but not the magazine or date.

mugzilla · July 29th, 2008, 11:20 PM

400 ci ...

400 trans ...

dual ex ...

joe_padavano · July 30th, 2008, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by mugzilla

400 ci ...

400 trans ...

dual ex ...

Nope. Consider that the first (1964) 442 came with a 330 and a 4 speed.

mugzilla · July 30th, 2008, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by joe_padavano

Nope. Consider that the first (1964) 442 came with a 330 and a 4 speed.

I'm talking about the first automatic cars ...

I know what it originally stood for ...

I have a '70 and when I show it everybody asks how the 442 designation

applies ...

Oldsguy · July 30th, 2008, 11:02 AM

Sure it didn't mean "I got a 44 under the seat, two of them!"

joe_padavano · July 30th, 2008, 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mugzilla

I'm talking about the first automatic cars ...

I know what it originally stood for ...

I have a '70 and when I show it everybody asks how the 442 designation

applies ...

Well, that's not correct either, I'm afraid.

For 1964 it was 4 speed, 4bbl, dual exh
For 1965 it was 400 engine, 4bbl, dual exh
For 1966 it was meaningless, since you could get a 3x2 bbl that year, or a 2bbl starting in 1968, or a 455 starting in 1970, or a 350 2bbl starting in 1972...

Olds64 · July 30th, 2008, 01:46 PM

What did 442 mean in 1991? I bet that was the best 442 of all!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldsmobile_442

joe_padavano · July 30th, 2008, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Olds64

What did 442 mean in 1991? I bet that was the best 442 of all!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldsmobile_442

Uh, FOUR cylinder, FOUR valves, and TOO slow?

Apologies to all the Quad442 owners.

88 coupe · July 30th, 2008, 05:31 PM

Interpolating from the '64 (Four barrels, forty-two on the floor).

Would that make it Four cylinders and forty-two valves?

Norm

Olds64 · July 30th, 2008, 08:24 PM

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FOUR cylinder, FOUR valves, and TOO slow

mugzilla · July 30th, 2008, 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joe_padavano

Well, that's not correct either, I'm afraid.

For 1964 it was 4 speed, 4bbl, dual exh
For 1965 it was 400 engine, 4bbl, dual exh
For 1966 it was meaningless, since you could get a 3x2 bbl that year, or a 2bbl starting in 1968, or a 455 starting in 1970, or a 350 2bbl starting in 1972...

Like I said this topic is always good to go ...

thanks ...

FL1970442 · August 2nd, 2008, 05:41 PM

Come on, we all go to car shows & have the guy that had our exact
same 442 tell us all about it. You know the guys, the ones that had that
442 cubic inch engine!

citcapp · August 2nd, 2008, 06:14 PM

Had that happen just yesterday. Drinking beer with a bunch of guys after golf (other sin of mine there are many.......) one of my friends asks how is your conversion going, had to tell the story, another guy chimes in " I use to race a 442 with a built 442, did it myself custom pistons and stuff beat everybody I raced, Hiccup, fart. All I could to keep my mouth shut. Everyone on the planet had the fastest car at one time or another.

GoodOldsGuy · August 3rd, 2008, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by joe_padavano

Yes. I also recall the magazine article, but not the magazine or date.

Actually I have a copy of an ad for the car. Mack Markowitz Olds in Hempstead, NY (Long Island) partnered up with Motion Performance in very nearby Baldwin, NY to produce a very few Motion/Markowitz W-30 442's. If I can find the page (it is buried somewhere in my fortress of solitude) I will scan and post to this thread.
This is a great bit of OLDS trivia....

Regards,

Fred

GoodOldsGuy · August 4th, 2008, 02:13 PM

Here is the page from the August 1968 Issue of CARS Magazine. It is on the last three pages. Quite interesting that Joel Rosen (Motion)and Norm Flesch (Markowitz Olds) teamed up to build a few of these cars.

And for some additional info, when I worked for OLDS I used to call on this very same dealer! They remembered the package well.
Regards,

Fred

Olds64 · August 5th, 2008, 07:29 AM

That is AWSOME!

mugzilla · August 5th, 2008, 08:03 AM

Steel wheels ...

nice ...

442much · August 28th, 2008, 10:09 PM

4-4-2 always meant PDQ!

Jamesbo · August 29th, 2008, 06:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoodOldsGuy

Here is the page from the August 1968 Issue of CARS Magazine. It is on the last three pages. Quite interesting that Joel Rosen (Motion)and Norm Flesch (Markowitz Olds) teamed up to build a few of these cars.

And for some additional info, when I worked for OLDS I used to call on this very same dealer! They remembered the package well.
Regards,

Fred

Fred, I'm curious why are the white stripes on the road [under your cool 442] going like they do?

rocketraider · August 29th, 2008, 12:23 PM

Handy dandy parking lot. Good for taking car pictures!

I had seen that Motion-Markowitz ad years ago and had forgot they did some Toronados. Wonder how they did headers and high-rise intake on those?!

How many Motion/Oldsmobiles have survived? My guess is very few of the few built.

Jamesbo · August 29th, 2008, 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rocketraider

Handy dandy parking lot. Good for taking car pictures

Duh, silly me, after 35 years in the shopping center business, you'd think I know a parking lot when I see one

Redog · August 31st, 2008, 09:07 AM

Well, when people say Four Fourty Two, it's probably because they think the car has a 442 ci engine. People that don't know would think that.

The correct term is 4-4-2. The def has been discussed already

Redog · August 31st, 2008, 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joe_padavano

Uh, FOUR cylinder, FOUR valves, and TOO slow?

Apologies to all the Quad442 owners.

Sorry but I must disagree.

First n/a 4 cylinder car to run 14's right off the showroom floor, and I think it's still the only 4 banger that has done it

GoodOldsGuy · August 31st, 2008, 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rocketraider

Handy dandy parking lot. Good for taking car pictures!

I had seen that Motion-Markowitz ad years ago and had forgot they did some Toronados. Wonder how they did headers and high-rise intake on those?!

How many Motion/Oldsmobiles have survived? My guess is very few of the few built.

Only one that I know of......

Fred

GoodOldsGuy · September 4th, 2008, 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jamesbo

Duh, silly me, after 35 years in the shopping center business, you'd think I know a parking lot when I see one

Jamesbo....it could be considered an "optional illusion"...or how about GM acceleration test area??

Rocket Raider was right on top of that one.

Regards,

Fred

May 23rd, 2008, 06:21 AM	#1 (permalink)
UCF72Cutlass Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 46	4-4-2 or 4-42? Ive heard people say it both ways. Im pretty sure your suppose to say 4-4-2 but 4-42 does sound pretty cool. I usually say 4-4-2 if i know im talking to a hardcore olds guy but with anyone else 4-42 probably comes out.

May 23rd, 2008, 06:57 AM	#2 (permalink)
344870M Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: n/w PA Posts: 185	4-42 makes my flesh crawl. But that's just me. __________________ 1970 W-30 4spd, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y_OKnABGJ0 Why is there a "Z" on my data plate & broadcast card!??

May 23rd, 2008, 07:14 AM	#4 (permalink)
Omicron Administrator & Motorhead Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Northern Colorado Posts: 688	Definitely "four four two." Originally came from 4 barrel carb, 4 speed transmission, and dual (2) exhaust. Not "four fourty two." But really its whatever makes ya happy. It's kinda like calling a firearm magazine a "clip" - the latter makes purists cringe as it's not technically correct, but most people do it. I suppose one could call a Cutlass a "Cutl-ASS" too. __________________ Paul '71 Convertible 442

July 22nd, 2008, 04:12 AM	#7 (permalink)
rocketraider Oldsdruid Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Danville Vajenya, the Last Capital of Dixie Posts: 1,214	We always said it meant gas tires and oil- as in it used a lot of all three! Yup- FOUR FOUR TWO. I've been known to correct people publicly when they say four forty two. And don't even come at me with that four hundred forty two cubic inch engine mess. I'll publicly embarrass you. __________________ I know absolutely nothing about Oldsmobiles. Just ask the owner of Oldspower.com

July 22nd, 2008, 01:21 PM	#11 (permalink)
Oldsguy Hot Rodder at heart Administrator Join Date: May 2004 Location: Lees Summit MO Posts: 5,360	A little friendly competition between GM brands is allowed, even here. Although I would think that Ford people would point to the Mustang in late '64 as the introduction to the pony car market segment. Muscle car? what does that mean, to six people it will mean six different things. 442, GTO, Charger, GTX, on and on and on. My friend says a true muscle car has three pedals. So, is the GTO a muscle car or a pony car? Is the 442 a muscle car or a pony car? What about the first overhead valve V8s introduced in 1949 by Oldsmobile, where they the first muscle cars? Then, what about the Ford flathead rule of supremacy in the 30s, and 40s, and some would say even into the 50s? To each our own. Heck, I can even allow the kids today with their "tuners" what else are they going to hot-rod and race? Give' em mom's old Civic and let 'em go! __________________ Dan '77 Cutlass Supreme '46 2 door "The rocket 455.....it's a sledgehammer approach to a thumbtack world" LuxBlue of HAMB.

May 28th, 2008, 03:38 PM	#5 (permalink)
Run to Rund Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 339	Pontiac named their competitor car GTO because it means Go To Olds

July 22nd, 2008, 12:05 PM	#10 (permalink)
Bluevista Cruisin' the Vistas Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Northeast Ohio Posts: 1,723	The GTO wasn't a "competitor" it was the first of it's kind, all the rest were after it. In these parts 4-4-2 meant car that rich daddy took you to the dealer to buy in his (fleet)wood, 9-8 or 225 , I mean deuce and a quarter. I was in my GTO/goat? and was told to "Go to Olds" so I got the Vista, who says you can't have both? If I ever go to furd I told my wife to shoot me... really. Allan

July 22nd, 2008, 02:48 PM	#12 (permalink)
Olds64 Landyacht Club President Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Lawton, OK Posts: 4,286	I think there have been a few muscle cars in recent years. The Buick GN was definitely a muscle car. The early to mid 90s Chevy Impala was a muscle car. The recent Dodge Chargers are muscle cars (if they have the SRT-8 engine). Finally, the new Dodge Challenger is also a muscle car. IMHO... __________________ Ferris, my father loves this car more than life itself... Apparently, you don't understand! Ferris, he never drives it! He just rubs it with a diaper! Cameron Frye Ferris Bueller's Day Off 1986

July 22nd, 2008, 04:44 PM	#13 (permalink)
citcapp Super Moderator Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Bothell, WA Posts: 3,452	Heck in the 60's, The factory made just about everything into a muscle car with their program options. full size pontiac 2DR post 421 , 4-speed standard steering, standard brakes, fast car. Plymouth Belvadere 2 door post 413 push button auto, the list goes on and on

July 28th, 2008, 08:51 PM	#15 (permalink)
rocketraider Oldsdruid Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Danville Vajenya, the Last Capital of Dixie Posts: 1,214	There were some pictures of a Motion 442 in some magazine a while back but I cannot remember which one. I think the Cutlass police option stuff was there and available before the GTO hit the streets, but it conveniently answered Pontiac's challenge without a whole lot of fuss. I think a quick emblem tooling job was about all they had to make. That and contract with U.S. Royal for some of their new high performance (by 1964 standards anyway) redline tires. __________________ I know absolutely nothing about Oldsmobiles. Just ask the owner of Oldspower.com

July 29th, 2008, 11:20 PM	#17 (permalink)
mugzilla is Fast Enough ... Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: dogtown Posts: 849	400 ci ... 400 trans ... dual ex ...

July 30th, 2008, 11:02 AM	#20 (permalink)
Oldsguy Hot Rodder at heart Administrator Join Date: May 2004 Location: Lees Summit MO Posts: 5,360	Sure it didn't mean "I got a 44 under the seat, two of them!" __________________ Dan '77 Cutlass Supreme '46 2 door "The rocket 455.....it's a sledgehammer approach to a thumbtack world" LuxBlue of HAMB.

July 30th, 2008, 01:46 PM	#22 (permalink)
Olds64 Landyacht Club President Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Lawton, OK Posts: 4,286	What did 442 mean in 1991? I bet that was the best 442 of all! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldsmobile_442 __________________ Ferris, my father loves this car more than life itself... Apparently, you don't understand! Ferris, he never drives it! He just rubs it with a diaper! Cameron Frye Ferris Bueller's Day Off 1986

August 2nd, 2008, 05:41 PM	#27 (permalink)
FL1970442 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 50	Come on, we all go to car shows & have the guy that had our exact same 442 tell us all about it. You know the guys, the ones that had that 442 cubic inch engine! Last edited by FL1970442; August 3rd, 2008 at 04:52 PM..

August 2nd, 2008, 06:14 PM	#28 (permalink)
citcapp Super Moderator Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Bothell, WA Posts: 3,452	Had that happen just yesterday. Drinking beer with a bunch of guys after golf (other sin of mine there are many.......) one of my friends asks how is your conversion going, had to tell the story, another guy chimes in " I use to race a 442 with a built 442, did it myself custom pistons and stuff beat everybody I raced, Hiccup, fart. All I could to keep my mouth shut. Everyone on the planet had the fastest car at one time or another.

August 4th, 2008, 02:13 PM	#30 (permalink)
GoodOldsGuy Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 110	Motion/Markowitz Olds Here is the page from the August 1968 Issue of CARS Magazine. It is on the last three pages. Quite interesting that Joel Rosen (Motion)and Norm Flesch (Markowitz Olds) teamed up to build a few of these cars. And for some additional info, when I worked for OLDS I used to call on this very same dealer! They remembered the package well. Regards, Fred __________________

August 5th, 2008, 07:29 AM	#31 (permalink)
Olds64 Landyacht Club President Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Lawton, OK Posts: 4,286	That is AWSOME! __________________ Ferris, my father loves this car more than life itself... Apparently, you don't understand! Ferris, he never drives it! He just rubs it with a diaper! Cameron Frye Ferris Bueller's Day Off 1986

August 5th, 2008, 08:03 AM	#32 (permalink)
mugzilla is Fast Enough ... Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: dogtown Posts: 849	Steel wheels ... nice ...

August 28th, 2008, 10:09 PM	#33 (permalink)
442much Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Sherwood Park, Alberta Posts: 477	4-4-2 always meant PDQ!

August 29th, 2008, 12:23 PM	#35 (permalink)
rocketraider Oldsdruid Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Danville Vajenya, the Last Capital of Dixie Posts: 1,214	Handy dandy parking lot. Good for taking car pictures! I had seen that Motion-Markowitz ad years ago and had forgot they did some Toronados. Wonder how they did headers and high-rise intake on those?! How many Motion/Oldsmobiles have survived? My guess is very few of the few built. __________________ I know absolutely nothing about Oldsmobiles. Just ask the owner of Oldspower.com

August 31st, 2008, 09:07 AM	#37 (permalink)
Redog Alero Chapter Secretary Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Newtown, PA Posts: 1,145	Well, when people say Four Fourty Two, it's probably because they think the car has a 442 ci engine. People that don't know would think that. The correct term is 4-4-2. The def has been discussed already __________________ Me 2000 Alero running 14's 2005 Nissan Altima (her's) 1967 Olds 330 motor sitting on a stand 1985 Delta 88 w/1968 350 rocket ( MURDERED )

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