hey guys i'm new here but i have some thing that i thought someone would be interested in. recently i recieved a 76 olds cutlass 442 with the origonal 445 in it. It has good interior, and an ok body. but it was used as a race car the motor has been bored and stroked the cam has been shaved and the push rods have been costom made, the heads are shaved 3/32nds? aliuminum intake, hooker headers, 650 holley carb punched out to about a 750, 12:1 compression, k&n filter, rock crusher tranny, mr. gasket shifter, and was ran in the nhra super comp at 8.90sec 160mph? also has moser axles. we recently replaced the lower bearings. but I've found that the car is more muscle than i ever wanted. i've been looking for something a little more streetable. I would be glad to consider any offers, but would rather trade for a mopar, or maybe both. i'll try to answer any ?s "bring all offers" thanks

 

1969 Olds Cutlass convertible $5750 Just located this Cutlass very solid car older restoration Pics at vintageozarks.com

 

How about some pics ?

 

by chance, any particular interest in a 1977 Dodge Monaco 2 door hardtop?

 

Is it a Royal Monaco like the old Chicago police cars?
Or a regular Monaco with the split grille like the Oldsmobiles?

 

OK.

Running an 8.90 index?

What are the numbers?.

Explain.

Which one?

How was this done? 750 CFM, sounds like a good "street" carb. How did it do in competition?

Capable of turning, well under, 8.90 ETs?

In brackets?

Norm

 

I'd have to look at it again.

What I do know, is that they are extremely rare (do not read necessarily valuable) and there were two body styles of the 2 door hardtop in '77. this one is the rarer body style...the rear ends are different is the only noticeable difference however.

Conveniantly, I need a driver's side tail lamp cover, and it does not exist anywhere on the internet. I found a passengers side one once...that does no good.

 

The nose looks like this one...except it being a two door of course...and not with the nifty cop colors.

the rear of this Monaco the tailights are vertical, the other body style has horizontal taillights.

 

FWIW: The following image is an example of an Olds powered "Super Gas" car.



'86 442 with a 496. Looks just like it did, in February of '87.

Norm

 

Yeah, I like the split grille better naturally
Did you try billions and trillions for your tail light yet?

 

no....there's not even another one of these cars in this whole valley for me to STEAL one from!

 

can you tell me how to post pics on this site?

 

You can put them in your post as attachements, down below the composition window there is a section called attach files, manage attachments. Just select that option and follow the directions to upload the files to the site.

 

I`m parting out a 77 Monaco Cop car. Email me a pic of what your taillight looks like and I`ll see if it`s the same.

Dennis
W451973@aol.com

 

the pics make the paint seem better than it is looks kind of like a home job that could use more sanding. the hood scoop has been fiberglassed to the car, but has a wave affect that would also need more sanding. As far as i can tell there doesn't seem to be alot of bondo anywhere else. i also have some street tires and some 15x12 steel rims (rusty) that we burnt the slicks up on. if anyone wants more pics or info just send me your email. vin# G37T6M428229

 

 

Will do, but if it's a 4 door then it wont work

 

8.9 and no roll bar??????????? Where did this car run?????????

 

Ok, then it won`t work.

 

Tower - Thanks for the pics. What are you asking for the car ?

 

8.90 in the eighth would not need a roll bar.

The 8.90 he is talking about, would need a helluva lot more than a "roll bar".

Norm

 

That 78 is a pretty Herculian body style. Especially with those wheels and tires. Good luck selling it.

 

i forgot it has rollbar mounts under the front carpet and between the back seats. but after car sat awhile the previous owner sold the roll bar and fiberglass bumpers. to a friend

 

i listed it here in hopes someone would make an offer. or tell me what they thought the car is worth. so that i would have an idea of what to sell it for locally. I thought the car would be worth around 10,000. but I don't live in a bubble. so don't be scared to make an offer. or tell me what you think. and if you live near atlanta stop by and cheak it out. i'm supposed to leave for a job in las vegas in a few weeks. so i would like to get it out so the wife doesn't have to deal with it thanks

 

I don't know what a '76 442, in that condition, might be worth. There are other members here, that can give you an estimate. I can, however, give you an idea what it is not.

OK. Beginning with your opening post:

Interior of a Super Comp car would look something like the following:



Anyone who has a "bored and stroked" 455, would call it by its proper name. 470, 496, or 507, for instance.

Shaved? Normally, one would show the information from the cam card.

A normal part of a racing engine. Not worth mentioning.

Machine shops do not work in fractions. The number you were given should have been .093" if it had actually been done, which is highly doubtful. When describing the heads, anything other than flow numbers, is useless.

More wasted bandwidth.

I would expect two 1050 (or larger) Holleys.

Punched out to? About?

OK for the street, with the right cam/tune. Not high enough (or enough cam) to run 8s.

For the street, right?

This is my favorite.

"Rock Crusher" might be worth $2000-$2500, but you do not have one.



No clutch? Automatic shifter? "Rock crusher" is the name for the GM M22 ,4 speed manual trans.

On a Super Comp? I don't think so, Tim.

If it had, it would be easy to document. Drivers name would be all I'd need.

One would also expect the spline count.

If they were talking about the subject of this thread, they lied.

Looks like the previous owner gave you a BS story, and you were naive enough to believe it.

Norm

 

frist off the origonal owner really had no reason to lie to me. He gave me the car for next to nothing. And since it was so cheap i really did not care or pay much atention to the low down. and have of the things he was saying were way over my head. like the backlash on the zoom gears. or at 120mph =5947rpm mt 27" is 6123 or mt 26" is 6358 and what is p.t.32" or how about 4.10-rotation + protrac n50x15-27.8" od 2.56:1=1856 rpm at 60mph. all this stuff really doesn't mean much to me. because i don't care. but i'll be glad to pass on any paper work that i have. and if anyone one needs to know anything about the tranny the best i can do is give you info from the extra set of new gears he gave me. and can you look up a driver from 15 years ago cause thats when the car was last in compition. and lets not blame the builder for my ignorance. thanks

 

What he said, and why, does not matter. What does matter, is that you are advertising something that you do not have.

I know what it all means. It means that he lied to you.

If you can scan, and post it, We might be able to see what you actually have, and what might be a fair price.

I can pick up my phone and call one of his competitors.

OK. The "builder" is not to blame, because he did not give you the bogus information you posted, but, because of your "ignorance" you could not have thought it up, on your own.

To put it another way: One of two things happened:

Take your pick. Either way, you are advertising something you do not have.

All I care about, is that one of our members doesn't get sucked into a scam.

Norm

 

 

Either way I'll still trade the 2 barrel Monaco for it

 

Tower - Sorry, but there is just no way on gods green earth that, that car will or ever did pull those numbers. The car simply does not have the horsepower or equipment to do it. Take a better look at that Nova or other Cutlass above. Thats part of what it takes to go that fast. And you said it yourself, you got the car for next to nothing. Which I seriuosly doubt you would have, had the car really been that fast. And if the car really IS that fast, I`m sure all your racer buddies, the same ones that say it`s faster then theirs, would have bought it from you by now. As for the trans being a Rock Crusher. I`m not doubting you but everybody thinks thier 4 speed is one. The ONLY way to tell a real one is to pull the side cover and look at the gears. You cannot go by the big output shaft, fine spline input shaft ( can`t tell anyway with the trans in the car ) or two drain plugs. Those features were used on many other Muncies also. I`m not saying your trans is`nt. All I`m saying is it is hard to prove. Sorry for busting your chops. It sounds more like you really don`t know what you are talking about, then trying to scam anyone.

On the more poitive side I will say you have a good solid big block Cutlass worth probably 3-4 grand to the right buyer. No where near the 10 grand mark. I suggest listing it on ebay or try this website

http://www.73-77olds.com/forums/index.php

Just be carefull how you describe it. It`s hard to prove alot of stuff like that without reciepts and you simply can`t believe what the previous guy tells you. Noone else will. Good luck.

 

hey thanks for the info. I put the car on here so i could get an idea of what people thought of it. so I'am probaly going to put it on ebay now that i know some more with the words this is what i was told and come cheak it out for yourself. I mean i only paid 400.00 for it. And another man came by today and offered me his two seater helicopter which is more up my ally.

 

At that price you can`t go wrong. I`ll double your money for ya. BTW. How about posting ALL the nubers and codes off the block. Right behind the water pump at the front of the intake and right next to the number one spark plug on the drivers side.

 

If you put it on ebay, please post a link to it.

 

hey dennis here are the #S behind the water pump 396021f under the plugs on the passer side 136 on the drivers j any info on the car wood be great. since its not that much I'm thinking of putting exhust on it and driving it to work because i put my duelly and trailer on ebay. if any body wants a 1996 chevy duelly 4 door turbo diesel and 16' car trailer for 4500.00 you can look me up on ebay under craneall. we had tried exhaust on the car before. but when we put mufflers on it it got alot of blow back. and ended up with the oil pan leaking bad until we took it off. any ideas or help on that? would be great. Instead of sending me to vegas my company has landed me a job in a crane at the hartsfeld-jackson airport. and at the time i get to work or out of work the roadways are clear. and where always giong to six flags on the weekend. so after a while (and i get better at driving it) i'll take it to the strip and see what it can do. I also contacted the previous owner and told him what has been said about the car. he laughed alot and said. the car was bought by his wife in 1978 by his wife. then in 82 a rod started knocking so he began with boring and stroking the motor? when he put it back together it wasnt fast enough so he got the cam shaved and so fourth with the carb. and he didn't keep much paper work because he never cared ethier, and never planned on getting rid of it. when i meet him i had been working as a carpenter at the bussiness where his wife worked. and they were moving from nc. to fl. he now works for nasa. and needed alot of work done to their house in order to sell. at first he said he was going to pull the motor and give me the body and some cash. but him and the wife ran out money and of time. so they gave me the whole car in trade instead. also he said why tub a car that you can get ladder bars for and the finder wells are big enough to fit 13.5x 28 under easily. he wanted to keep the car as close to it was when his wife bought it as possible. he also said that when i gave it to you I asked you not to sell it. so I'm not this year i will be taking it to the track and keeping you updated on how it doe's maybe u guys can give me some help. my license plate now reads underdog. and I'm talking to a body shop about painting it and putting the 442 decal on it. Lets see what its got sorry if i bored anyone thanks for reading

 

if I had 4500 bucks I wouldn't mind the truck & trailer...towing junkers with a chain gets to be a nuisance!

pipe dream

 

Tower, just thought I'd chime in. The 76 442 with the 455 is one of 143 cars build that way in 76. You couldn't get a 4 speed for the car from the factory that year, however the TH400 was a beast of a transmission. To beat one, you have to be very very good with a 4 spd otherwise you'll be staring at tail lights.

The block in this car (396021F) is a 1968-72 455 block. A 1972-1976 455 block has the casting number 396021Fa. Sometimes a dealer would replace new car engines with the older block if a switch under warranty had to be made as it was quicker than ordering from the factory.

$10,000 is reasonable if you find someone who wants all the performance do-dads. My car (which looks stock but is built internally to 435 HP with a TH400 and 3:42 posi) is worth about $22,000. Keep in mind that a car is only worth what you are willing to sell it for and what the buyer is willing to pay you for it.

When comparing the 76 442 with say the 70 442 people seem to say that the 70 is a muscle car because it put out more HP than the 76 from the factory. What they seem to forget is that the HP in a 76 455 is there, it's just buried beneath spagetti hoses. What no one mentions is that the 76 442 has better braking, better suspension, better handling and better seat support to name a few. Weight is about the same as is previoys body style.

As the 68-72 body style goes up in price, so will the 73-77's. The 76 - 77 was the body style that was used by Nascar from 1977-81 and set the fastest 500 mile race at Daytona. The 442 was chosen because the body style offered better aerodynamics that equalled to 20 hp over the Monte Carlo's , Laguna's, Torino's etc.

Whether the car did 8.9 seconds in a quarter mile I cannot say. It would be possible with enough modifications. $10,000 would be reasonable to a racer. However for a cruiser/daily driver this car would not have a happy life on the street. Good luck.

My 442

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The car does not have a 4 speed.

At the risk of repeating myself. It doesn't have any.

Apples and tomatoes.

The term "Muscle car" has no definition.

Those hoses have nothing to do with it. The power is not there.

Because no one cares?

15+ would be my educated guess.

That is obvious.

All those modifications the car does not have?

It has no value as a racecar.

Why not? From what I see, the car looks to be the equivalent of a Honda with a "wing" and a "fart pipe"

If the VIN checks out, its a "trashed" 442 that needs a lot of work. Nothing more, nothing less.

Norm

 

Norm, having a bad day ? Better look again at the interior shot. That IS a clutch pedal and not the parking brake. And the little lever just to the right and behind the shifter is a reverse lock out. Maybe you should learn more about what you are talking about before you correct anyone. You`ve already admitted elsewhere on this forum that you don`t race.

 

442much......
Your car is a beauty. I've been wanting one of those for a few years now. I recently went to the local J-yard that had one about 1 year ago, and they crushed it. Crushed EVERYTHING actually.

 

No. Reading something into my post, that I did not write?

Norm