425 olds

68Delta88 · February 8th, 2007, 08:36 PM

looking for a 425, in no paticular great of shape, but must be unblown up, with as little rust as possible, and complete rod set. must have the more popular lifter bank angle, with .921" lifter bores, not the odd ball bank angle, with popular style lifters. also perferably as low of and "F" code as possible, such as, "F1" or "F0" would be nice. im located in lindsay ontario, but am willing to drive pretty far for pickup.

Oldsmaniac · February 9th, 2007, 12:43 PM

The engine you are looking for will only be found in the 66 or 67 Toronado as you want the large lifter engine and 39 deg. cam angle.

68Delta88 · February 15th, 2007, 10:43 AM

Yeah, i couldnt remember if that motor was an early one or a later one, didnt feel like looking it up... anyways, you know where i can get one?

Oldsmaniac · February 15th, 2007, 12:22 PM

The only place I have seen a few of these for sale lately is the dreaded site called EBAY.....they turn up there sometimes.

2blu442 · February 15th, 2007, 07:41 PM

68Delta88 We've talked before but I don't remember where your located. I've got some 425's but shipping an engine very far may cost more than the purchase price! I'm in Medford Oregon, SW part of the state 30 miles from the California border. I'm thinking I read that a 425 crank will fit in a 455 block. If that's true and you could come up with a 455 block local you could add the 425 steel crank, rods and pistons in a rebuild. Can anyone verify the 425 crank in a 455 block? John

68Delta88 · February 16th, 2007, 10:24 PM

actually, i prefer the 425 block. i was going to swap in a 455 crank, and make use of the 425 rods, with an oversize 455 pontiac piston. that way i get flat tops with a longer rod/stroke ratio. i then have a full set off .921" roller lifters, and have the tools to retrofit them to the block, after converting them to solid. i wanted the 425 crank for a 350 diesel stroker that ive been planning for awhile. however, im almost thinking of scrounging up a good 455, and just getting a hold of some 425 rods, and then just running a solid flat tappet. not sure yet, but anything you can find let me know.

2blu442 · February 16th, 2007, 10:48 PM

OK, here's how clueless I am. I'm not even sure how far East Ontario is! Are you near the Great Lakes? Have you posted a parts wanted ad on realoldspower.com yet? I know there's a whole mess of Oldsmobile guys just a stones throw from Lansing Mich. and some of them have to have extra 425's laying around. I have three in the garage now and am still trying to work a deal to purchase six Toronados, three 1966, one 1967 and two in the 1970's. Must be a package deal and I'm trying to make room behind the garage where the neighbors won't see them! But yeah, the shipping would kill any deal we might make.

P.S. put on your Rino skin before spending time on ROP, some of the guys can be downright rude!

ROCKETQUEEN-ONE · July 12th, 2007, 07:10 AM

I HAVE FOR SALE:

1965 OLDS 425 # 396525A WITH 7" RODS AND STEEL CRANK STILL IN IT. IT WILL NEED REBUILT

73 F3 BLOCK WITH A 68 ON TOP OF IT IN WHICH I AM NOT SURE WHAT YEAR THAT MAKES IT

A F6 BORED OUT '30 OVER. THE OLDS FAQ SAYS ITS A '67 NON TORONADO MOTOR BUT I ALWAYS THOUGHT IT WAS A 455 FOR I HAD THIS MOTOR SINCE '87 AND IT WAS A SUPER BAD ASS MOTOR

A SET OF "C" HEADS WITH 500 MILES ON THEM
A SET OF 'E' HEADS THAT PROBABLY COULD USE A REBUILD
1 425 'A' HEAD

I HAVE A 455 CRANK GROUND DOWN .10
2 SETS OF 455 RODS
NUMEROUS OTHER 455 PARTS

DROP ME A LINE AT thesroke@msn.com or rocketqueen-one@hotmail.com IF YOU ARE INTERESTED. THEY ARE LOCATED CLOSE TO DUBOIS,PA 15801
THANKS MATT

Kennybill · July 17th, 2007, 08:54 AM

Hello, I have a complete 1967 Toronado C-headed engine in my engine pile. I am in Ohio. PM me if u r interested, Ken

junkman67 · October 31st, 2007, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 68Delta88

looking for a 425, in no paticular great of shape, but must be unblown up, with as little rust as possible, and complete rod set. must have the more popular lifter bank angle, with .921" lifter bores, not the odd ball bank angle, with popular style lifters. also perferably as low of and "F" code as possible, such as, "F1" or "F0" would be nice. im located in lindsay ontario, but am willing to drive pretty far for pickup.

junkman67 · October 31st, 2007, 08:43 PM

I HAVE 2 ENGINES IN KY

fast68 · December 20th, 2007, 11:57 PM

425 were installed in a billion 79 caddies
i had a perfect runnign driving 6 door 79 caddy limousine it had the 425 in it

i junked it

no one wanted anything of it

i wish i had the engine now i could have put it in this real nice solid 85 supreme that i am taking to the shredder soon since no one wants it

cant evne get someone to trade me a beater old truck or wagon or anything for it at all

rust free frame body and all, clean interior, perfect dash, gray and gray

crazy,

good luck!

88 coupe · December 21st, 2007, 03:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fast68

425 were installed in a billion 79 cad ........

425 Cad and 425 Olds were totally different engines.

If it was an Olds, it was a 307.

Norm

J-(Chicago) · December 21st, 2007, 11:10 PM

Damn it, I was asking about taking that car months ago.
PM sent.

liggett · February 9th, 2008, 07:40 PM

I'm new to forum's so please bear with me while I learn. I have considered putting the olds 7" rods / 455 crank / pontiac pistons in a 425 block - as you have mentioned. Have you trial fitted this combination? I have some questions. Is the bottom of the bore in the 425 block notched for rod clearance like the 455 block? Do the big-ends of the rods clear the camshaft (the bolt heads of the 455 rods are much closer to the parting line - I assume to prevent interference with camshaft)? The long rod with the long stroke will move the beam of the rod closer to the cylinder wall at maximum rod angle - do they clear? Any information you have regarding this combination would be appreciated. Thanks. Mike

Rallye469 · February 10th, 2008, 05:43 PM

Quote:

I'm thinking I read that a 425 crank will fit in a 455 block. If that's true and you could come up with a 455 block local you could add the 425 steel crank, rods and pistons in a rebuild. Can anyone verify the 425 crank in a 455 block? John

Yes...this is my 469 frommy '70.
455 Block (4.185Bore)
425 Crank (4.254Stroke)
7.1" BBC rods
It's fun!!!! Revs pretty quick. Makes obscene power.

Quote:

I have considered putting the olds 7" rods / 455 crank / pontiac pistons in a 425 block

Never really heard of doing this combo...
your starting off with the less common/odd ball block & weaker crank.

February 10th, 2008, 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2blu442

68Delta88 We've talked before but I don't remember where your located. I've got some 425's but shipping an engine very far may cost more than the purchase price! I'm in Medford Oregon, SW part of the state 30 miles from the California border. I'm thinking I read that a 425 crank will fit in a 455 block. If that's true and you could come up with a 455 block local you could add the 425 steel crank, rods and pistons in a rebuild. Can anyone verify the 425 crank in a 455 block? John

This is true. My 455 block started it's life as a '65 or '66 425 block, whoever rebuilt it threw in 455 rods, pistons, crank, flexplate, and it has B cast heads. I find it somewhat curious that with the existing performance mods my engine has, that they chose to go with 425 heads instead of a set of 455 C heads or the aftermarket edelbrocks...perhaps they simply couldn't find anything better...Olds big block parts are hard to come by in this region.

88 coupe · February 11th, 2008, 01:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by liggett

........ like the 455 block? ........

425 and 455 are the same block. The reciprocating assemblies are fully interchangeable.

Pin placement in the Pontiac piston is slightly different, but it doesn't seem to be a problem with "street" engines.

Here is an example.

The only one I've been involved with, used 425 rods and 4.125" Arias pistons.

Norm

88 coupe · February 12th, 2008, 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dar83501

........ they chose to go with 425 heads instead of a set of 455 C heads ........

No reason to. There is not much difference in flow, between A, B, and C heads.

Norm

Rallye469 · February 12th, 2008, 05:52 PM

Quote:

There is not much difference in flow, between A, B, and C heads.

?
Assuming they all have the small valves...
A 2.07 valve C head will outflow an A head, or
a B head for that matter.
Someone correct me if I'm losing my mind.

February 12th, 2008, 06:06 PM

I have heard both.

J-(Chicago) · February 12th, 2008, 06:12 PM

This sounds like a job for the flow bench.
Too bad I don't have any of those heads, or the aforementioned bench.

88 coupe · February 16th, 2008, 02:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rallye469

........ Someone correct me if I'm losing my mind.

Quote:

Originally Posted by J-(Chicago)

This sounds like a job for the flow bench ........

http://members.tripod.com/~nichibei/headflow.htm

It was posted, and discussed, on ROP, several years ago.

Norm

88 coupe · February 16th, 2008, 02:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rallye469

........ odd ball block & weaker crank.

He has a good reason for using that particular block & that "weaker" crank is a non issue.

Norm

J-(Chicago) · February 16th, 2008, 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 88 coupe

http://members.tripod.com/~nichibei/headflow.htm
It was posted, and discussed, on ROP, several years ago.

Rallye469 · February 25th, 2008, 08:51 PM

Quote:

All valve sizes used for baseline flows on intakes were 2.071", except on the "J" head which had a 2.00" intake. All exhaust valves were 1.625". All flow tests were conducted at 28" of water.

This is from the head comparison you provided...
It's a bit misleading 88Coupe.

Only some '66 B & '67 C heads came with 2.07 valves.(Toro motors)
So...saying all A,B & C heads flow the same is false.

All A,B & C heads that were modified with(or came with) 2.07 valves flow the same would be a lot less misleading.

Sorry to beat this point to death, but if you find a set of A's They won't flow the same as Toro C's...

88 coupe · February 26th, 2008, 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rallye469

........ that were modified with(or came with) 2.07 valves ........

Thanks for the clarification.

Norm

February 8th, 2007, 08:36 PM	#1 (permalink)
68Delta88 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 14	425 olds looking for a 425, in no paticular great of shape, but must be unblown up, with as little rust as possible, and complete rod set. must have the more popular lifter bank angle, with .921" lifter bores, not the odd ball bank angle, with popular style lifters. also perferably as low of and "F" code as possible, such as, "F1" or "F0" would be nice. im located in lindsay ontario, but am willing to drive pretty far for pickup.

February 15th, 2007, 07:41 PM	#5 (permalink)
2blu442 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Medford, Oregon Posts: 2,255	68Delta88 We've talked before but I don't remember where your located. I've got some 425's but shipping an engine very far may cost more than the purchase price! I'm in Medford Oregon, SW part of the state 30 miles from the California border. I'm thinking I read that a 425 crank will fit in a 455 block. If that's true and you could come up with a 455 block local you could add the 425 steel crank, rods and pistons in a rebuild. Can anyone verify the 425 crank in a 455 block? John __________________ 1964 Cutlass Factory 4spd 1965 442 4spd 1967 442 Auto 1967 Cutlass Convertible 1967 Cutlass four door daily driver 1968 442 Auto 1969 442 W30 Auto 1970 442 4spd 1971 Cutlass Flat Top Wagon 1973 Che*vy 3/4 Ton 454/TH400 Tow Vehicle Only the tow vehicle is finished!

February 16th, 2007, 10:48 PM	#7 (permalink)
2blu442 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Medford, Oregon Posts: 2,255	OK, here's how clueless I am. I'm not even sure how far East Ontario is! Are you near the Great Lakes? Have you posted a parts wanted ad on realoldspower.com yet? I know there's a whole mess of Oldsmobile guys just a stones throw from Lansing Mich. and some of them have to have extra 425's laying around. I have three in the garage now and am still trying to work a deal to purchase six Toronados, three 1966, one 1967 and two in the 1970's. Must be a package deal and I'm trying to make room behind the garage where the neighbors won't see them! But yeah, the shipping would kill any deal we might make. P.S. put on your Rino skin before spending time on ROP, some of the guys can be downright rude! __________________ 1964 Cutlass Factory 4spd 1965 442 4spd 1967 442 Auto 1967 Cutlass Convertible 1967 Cutlass four door daily driver 1968 442 Auto 1969 442 W30 Auto 1970 442 4spd 1971 Cutlass Flat Top Wagon 1973 Che*vy 3/4 Ton 454/TH400 Tow Vehicle Only the tow vehicle is finished!

July 17th, 2007, 08:54 AM	#9 (permalink)
Kennybill Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Youngstown, Ohio Posts: 287	Hello, I have a complete 1967 Toronado C-headed engine in my engine pile. I am in Ohio. PM me if u r interested, Ken __________________ A man has to know his limitations, especially with an Oldsmobile

December 21st, 2007, 11:10 PM	#14 (permalink)
J-(Chicago) Seasoned beater pilot. Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Chicago Posts: 2,696	Damn it, I was asking about taking that car months ago. PM sent. __________________ I'd rather have a numbers matching poker hand. Last edited by J-(Chicago); December 22nd, 2007 at 08:59 AM..

February 9th, 2007, 12:43 PM	#2 (permalink)
Oldsmaniac Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: NJ Posts: 702	The engine you are looking for will only be found in the 66 or 67 Toronado as you want the large lifter engine and 39 deg. cam angle.

February 15th, 2007, 10:43 AM	#3 (permalink)
68Delta88 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 14	Yeah, i couldnt remember if that motor was an early one or a later one, didnt feel like looking it up... anyways, you know where i can get one?

February 15th, 2007, 12:22 PM	#4 (permalink)
Oldsmaniac Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: NJ Posts: 702	The only place I have seen a few of these for sale lately is the dreaded site called EBAY.....they turn up there sometimes.

February 16th, 2007, 10:24 PM	#6 (permalink)
68Delta88 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 14	actually, i prefer the 425 block. i was going to swap in a 455 crank, and make use of the 425 rods, with an oversize 455 pontiac piston. that way i get flat tops with a longer rod/stroke ratio. i then have a full set off .921" roller lifters, and have the tools to retrofit them to the block, after converting them to solid. i wanted the 425 crank for a 350 diesel stroker that ive been planning for awhile. however, im almost thinking of scrounging up a good 455, and just getting a hold of some 425 rods, and then just running a solid flat tappet. not sure yet, but anything you can find let me know.

July 12th, 2007, 07:10 AM	#8 (permalink)
ROCKETQUEEN-ONE Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 11	I HAVE FOR SALE: 1965 OLDS 425 # 396525A WITH 7" RODS AND STEEL CRANK STILL IN IT. IT WILL NEED REBUILT 73 F3 BLOCK WITH A 68 ON TOP OF IT IN WHICH I AM NOT SURE WHAT YEAR THAT MAKES IT A F6 BORED OUT '30 OVER. THE OLDS FAQ SAYS ITS A '67 NON TORONADO MOTOR BUT I ALWAYS THOUGHT IT WAS A 455 FOR I HAD THIS MOTOR SINCE '87 AND IT WAS A SUPER BAD ASS MOTOR A SET OF "C" HEADS WITH 500 MILES ON THEM A SET OF 'E' HEADS THAT PROBABLY COULD USE A REBUILD 1 425 'A' HEAD I HAVE A 455 CRANK GROUND DOWN .10 2 SETS OF 455 RODS NUMEROUS OTHER 455 PARTS DROP ME A LINE AT thesroke@msn.com or rocketqueen-one@hotmail.com IF YOU ARE INTERESTED. THEY ARE LOCATED CLOSE TO DUBOIS,PA 15801 THANKS MATT

October 31st, 2007, 08:43 PM	#11 (permalink)
junkman67 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 3	I HAVE 2 ENGINES IN KY

December 20th, 2007, 11:57 PM	#12 (permalink)
fast68 easterwabbit Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: IL Posts: 12	425 were installed in a billion 79 caddies i had a perfect runnign driving 6 door 79 caddy limousine it had the 425 in it i junked it no one wanted anything of it i wish i had the engine now i could have put it in this real nice solid 85 supreme that i am taking to the shredder soon since no one wants it cant evne get someone to trade me a beater old truck or wagon or anything for it at all rust free frame body and all, clean interior, perfect dash, gray and gray crazy, good luck!

February 9th, 2008, 07:40 PM	#15 (permalink)
liggett Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 4	I'm new to forum's so please bear with me while I learn. I have considered putting the olds 7" rods / 455 crank / pontiac pistons in a 425 block - as you have mentioned. Have you trial fitted this combination? I have some questions. Is the bottom of the bore in the 425 block notched for rod clearance like the 455 block? Do the big-ends of the rods clear the camshaft (the bolt heads of the 455 rods are much closer to the parting line - I assume to prevent interference with camshaft)? The long rod with the long stroke will move the beam of the rod closer to the cylinder wall at maximum rod angle - do they clear? Any information you have regarding this combination would be appreciated. Thanks. Mike

February 12th, 2008, 06:06 PM	#21 (permalink)
dar83501 Guest Posts: n/a	I have heard both.

February 12th, 2008, 06:12 PM	#22 (permalink)
J-(Chicago) Seasoned beater pilot. Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Chicago Posts: 2,696	This sounds like a job for the flow bench. Too bad I don't have any of those heads, or the aforementioned bench. __________________ I'd rather have a numbers matching poker hand.

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