ClassicOldsmobile.com  

Go Back   ClassicOldsmobile.com > Vehicle Lineup > Other Oldsmobiles
Sign in using an external account
Register Forgot Password?
Search
Other Oldsmobiles Anything not listed above, such as F-85 (1961-1963), Firenza (1982-1988), Starfire (1961-66 and 1975-80), Omega, etc.

Welcome to Classic Oldsmobile Forum!
Welcome to Classic Oldsmobile forum,

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, at no cost, you will have access to start new topics, reply to conversations, privately message other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, join Classic Oldsmobile Forum today!


Reply
 
 
 
submit to reddit
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old April 30th, 2012, 09:19 PM   #1
Registered User
 
Nimrodinder's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 26
62 Starfire Air Filter

Hi all. small but frustrating issue... can anyone tell me which K&N air filter element correctly fits my stock starfire air cleaner properly? The one K&N suggest (E-1910) is 16" OD which is way too big. The one in the car is something by Fram but is wrong size too ... far too small. Checking on ebay I see Wix filter for 62 starfire is about 13" OD which looks possibly right just by my rough measurements, while the Fram one on offer is 11" OD. whats going on? 3 manufacturers, 3 different sizes. then someone else is selling a NOS AC delco one on ebay asking gold bullion for it and states its for 62-63 starfire. Going by the GM part number listed in my book, it isnt 62 Starfire.
some help would be appreciated if anyone knows.
thanks.
Nimrodinder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 1st, 2012, 10:43 AM   #2
Oldsdruid
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Southside Vajenya
Posts: 5,230
If the car has its correct aircleaner housing, the same filter is used on all 61-67 Oldsmobile 4-barrel V8s. Not sure where he got that 62-63 Starfire app, unless he's actually got Jetfire pieces and doesn't know the difference, but knows Starfires are "in" and is trying to cash in on that.

The key is to know the correct AC OE part # and then cross-reference it to other manufacturers, so you don't end up paying NOS prices for something no one will ever see. I've picked them up from WIX and even got an NOS case lot of Texaco filters, which odds are were made by Purolator or WIX.

I'll look it up at home tonight. Possible the original AC part number was superseded in a newer ACD catalog.
__________________
Too many Oldsmobiles that sit way too much.
rocketraider is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 1st, 2012, 01:36 PM   #3
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: southern New Mexico
Posts: 8,678
It might be a little weird looking, but maybe you could just carry the air cleaner housing into the store with you and try them out until one fits.
jaunty75 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 1st, 2012, 03:38 PM   #4
Registered User
 
Nimrodinder's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 26
Thanks to you both for the reply. Yes it is the original air cleaner housing. There is an old sticker on the side with barely readable AC filter information but no reference to part number there so if you can help with that that'll be a break-through. I measured best I could across the shelf in the base that the filter sits on and the largest it accepts would be just over 13" OD. Not sure if its meant to be that big though.

I suspect the WIX filter is the closest match but I'm keen on a K&N replacement as it'll be the last one I need to ever buy and they breath great. anything to help increase the ridiculous fuel economy from 8.5 mpg!
Nimrodinder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 1st, 2012, 03:50 PM   #5
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: southern New Mexico
Posts: 8,678
Not sure if this will help you, but here's a photo I took of the air cleaner on a '67 Delta 88 Custom I saw at a car show. I have a '67 Delta myself, and I wanted to know what the correct look of the air cleaner was. You can read the part number for the filter. It's A124CW. I don't know if this was a 2- or 4-barrel carb car.

Click the image to open in full size.
jaunty75 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 2nd, 2012, 06:29 PM   #6
Registered User
 
Nimrodinder's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaunty75 View Post
Not sure if this will help you, but here's a photo I took of the air cleaner on a '67 Delta 88 Custom I saw at a car show. I have a '67 Delta myself, and I wanted to know what the correct look of the air cleaner was. You can read the part number for the filter. It's A124CW. I don't know if this was a 2- or 4-barrel carb car.
Thanks for the photo. I checked it out but the filter looks to be a bit smaller than the Starfire takes. After some more searching I found that the original Starfire filter is A90CW. trouble is AC Delco have no dimension information about it on their website and competitors websites don't recognise the part #. If anyone out there has filter A90CW in their Olds and can confirm for me the OD and height, I'd appreciate that.
Nimrodinder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 13th, 2012, 08:35 PM   #7
Registered User
 
Kahuna's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Toronto, Canada
Posts: 27
For my '62 Olds, I bought several Fram CA177PL filters (13" O.D.) on ebay. They fit perfectly and so will the Wix filter you mentioned.

http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/moreinfo.php?pk=360135

Rockauto sells the Wix filters for $6.70 ea. At that price, why bother with K&N?
__________________
Paulie
'62 Dynamic 88 - Holiday Coupe
Kahuna is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 17th, 2012, 06:26 PM   #8
Registered User
 
Nimrodinder's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kahuna View Post
For my '62 Olds, I bought several Fram CA177PL filters (13" O.D.) on ebay. They fit perfectly and so will the Wix filter you mentioned.

http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/moreinfo.php?pk=360135

Rockauto sells the Wix filters for $6.70 ea. At that price, why bother with K&N?
Thanks for the reply. Two reasons for wanting the K&N, first is that I'm in New Zealand and cannot get the right filters here. so everytime i change one it costs 3-4 times the value of buying it just to ship it. The K&N will be the last one i ever need to buy. second is that it breathes better and hopefully will help better the fuel economy ... if not, at least i can eliminate that from the list of variables.
Nimrodinder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 2nd, 2012, 07:53 PM   #9
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 128
My '62 Starfire averaged 12 mpg , with air conditioning, and I didn't baby it. Your 8.5 mpg is definitely low. If you use the larger imperial gallons, you should get even higher miles per gallon. Start checking for proper ignition timing and distributor advance curve, bad vacuum advance , vacuum leaks, and an overly rich air/fuel mixture. Fuel pressure that's too high, a sticking choke, improper float setting, or the wrong jets may be involved. I assume you have the original 3.42 rear axle ratio. A restrictive air filter element or a restricted exhaust system may also be involved, as well as low tire pressures. Poor cylinder compression pressures due to leaking valves can also cut into your mpg . If your gasoline has ethanol in it, some decrease in mpg will also occur , but not likely down to 8.5 mpg.
__________________
Love those Starfires

Last edited by PetChemMan; September 2nd, 2012 at 08:00 PM.
PetChemMan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 3rd, 2012, 06:29 PM   #10
Registered User
 
Nimrodinder's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by PetChemMan View Post
My '62 Starfire averaged 12 mpg , with air conditioning, and I didn't baby it. Your 8.5 mpg is definitely low...
Hey thanks, that's reassuring to hear 12mpg is possible. A good list of things to check. Yes mines the 3.42 ratio diff, so its doing about 2800rpm at 60mph. Trouble is, the engine runs sweet, usually starts first turn and idles mint. so i'm reluctant to mess it up... But I had a minor improvement recently. I installed a pertronix ignition to the distributor and a K&N filter and found the engine definitely runs stronger and is more responsive at the accelerator. Now getting about 9mpg. Carb wise, the Choke seems to work well and turns off quickly as the engine warms. idles nicely at 600rpm. The exhaust pipes are quite sooty though. sprays a bit on the concrete when i rev it so is possibly a bit rich. however doesn't adjusting the air/fuel mixture only affect idle?
i have minimal knowledge about carbs but from what i've been reading the old rochester carb is a mongrel to tune right. mine was rebuilt maybe 5 years ago and i cleaned it out again maybe 2 years ago. bit nervous about playing with the floats as I read the carb is very temperamental to float level. However one issue I have noticed when travelling 50mph+, on slight uphill right hand bends the engine starves of fuel briefly. doesn't happen on left hand bends. could this be related to improper float adjustment? It also bogs sometimes under hard acceleration from standing start. What size jets should the carb have?
Been contemplating replacing it with a carter/edlebrock or even a holley. Much better, and simpler carbs it seems. but can't find much about how to do on a 394. I understand i'll have trouble sorting out the TV linkage to the slim and retaining the factory air cleaner, which i definitely want to keep.
Tire pressure is fine. i'm running 20" 35 series so keep them hard. I've also taken the butterfly valve out of the left side manifold, so no restriction there.
Nimrodinder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 19th, 2012, 12:13 PM   #11
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 5
Starfire Aircleaner.

Hi. Have a 1962 Starfire Convertible in Australia. Not too sure of the part number but I am fairly sure it is a Ryco element in my car. From memory it was originally for a Ford falcon 351 Clevland used in the 1970's Australian Falcons. Car is in pieces at present but I can chase up the number if you want.
Our car usually gave 13-14 mpg on the 98 octane unleaded over here and performed very well. Have recently converted it to Pertronix ignition but have not had it on the road properly with this system. Have done over 40000 miles in our car since buying it 15 years ago. As far as I can tell it is the only 1962 Starfire convertible in Australia.Basically all that should be is there.
Just started a full nut & bolt resto on our car so it will be off the road for a while.
Cheers.
starfiredownunder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 19th, 2012, 01:04 PM   #12
Lt. Buzzkill (ret.)
 
copper128's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Western New York
Posts: 1,235
NAPA Gold #FIL2081 crosses to the obsolete AC A90CW.

The dimensions are listed as

Air Filter Bottom I.D. (Inches) : 10.2"

Air Filter Bottom O.D. (Inches) : 13.04"

Air Filter Height (Inches) : 2.75"

Last edited by copper128; December 19th, 2012 at 01:07 PM. Reason: added dimensions
copper128 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 19th, 2012, 01:22 PM   #13
Lt. Buzzkill (ret.)
 
copper128's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Western New York
Posts: 1,235
I searched K&N filters and they do not make a filter to fit the 61-67 Olds 4-bbl housing. I checked by dimension and application. While their application search shows several different part numbers for results (depending on what yr/model you search for) they are all incorrect when you check the dimensions.

Nimrodinder, there is a tractor place in NZ which sells & stocks WIX filters. Maybe they could order in a few for you at a better price than you paying shipping from the US? Worth a try. You need WIX #42081.

http://www.tractorparts.co.nz/contact.php

Last edited by copper128; December 19th, 2012 at 01:31 PM. Reason: added link
copper128 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 2nd, 2014, 09:20 AM   #14
Registered User
 
Olds62's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 7
I am new to the whole forum thing, just joined...I am looking for a nice set of chrome
plated valve covers for my 62 starfire, any ideas?
Olds62 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 2nd, 2014, 09:21 AM   #15
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: southern New Mexico
Posts: 8,678
Quote:
Originally Posted by Olds62 View Post
I am new to the whole forum thing, just joined...I am looking for a nice set of chrome
plated valve covers for my 62 starfire, any ideas?
Start a new thread. Don't glom onto one that's two years old and that was discussing something else.

Welcome to the site. We'll want to see photos of your car.
jaunty75 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 2nd, 2014, 09:29 AM   #16
Registered User
 
Olds62's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 7
im a real rookie, how do I do it.
Olds62 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 2nd, 2014, 09:38 AM   #17
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: southern New Mexico
Posts: 8,678
Go to the top left of this or any page, click on "classicoldsmobile.com", and look down through the list of forums for the "parts wanted" section under the "Classifieds" section, click on that, and then click on "new thread" at the top left of that page. Give the thread an appropriate title, such as "need chrome-plated valve covers for 1962 Starfire," and then type in and post your message.
jaunty75 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 2nd, 2014, 09:40 AM   #18
Registered User
 
Olds62's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 7
thanks will do
Olds62 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 2nd, 2014, 09:40 AM
ClassicOldsmobile
1957 Oldsmobile




Paid Advertisement
 
 
 
submit to reddit
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
oil filter Thomas Simcich 442 3 June 18th, 2011 01:13 PM
Air filter? blacktoothgrin Aurora 2 August 10th, 2010 03:02 AM
Oil on the Air Filter... Brizio Eighty-Eight 5 March 7th, 2009 11:59 AM
Filter #'S WEBBISH Big Blocks 3 November 23rd, 2008 07:35 PM
Oil Filter jeffrey Small Blocks 1 January 1st, 2008 02:11 PM


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 07:14 PM.


Advertising - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Jobs
All content Copyright 2008 by Internet Brands, Inc.