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Old Aug 5, 2009 | 09:43 PM
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Prototype cars

What every happened to the prototype Hurst Olds' on:
http://hurstolds.com/
and some of the interesting convertables pictured on Al's Olds page?
http://www.mantei.com/index.html?olds

I have never heard or seen anyone of these cars especially the '68's with the hidden headlights and unique wing and the 69 with the odd wing as well.
A few other MIA's are the prototype 83 H/O, the 83 H/O pace car (a white 83 painted black) on Al's page...

Have these cars been dismantled, wrecked or sold to private collectors???
Old Aug 6, 2009 | 08:48 AM
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An interesting factoid is that the 1983 H/O prototype was actually a 1982.

Also, I find it interesting that the one-of-one 1977 H/O prototype at Seven Springs did not have the lip spoiler on the trunk. I have seen the actual prototype previously, and it looked very different from the one at the Nats.
Old Aug 6, 2009 | 02:10 PM
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I had the 82/83 press car in my driveway in 83, the one that started out white and had painted stripes. I had a chance to ride in it and it was pretty tired by the time Car Exchange got it. I have the window sticker around some place here.
I'm sure it was crushed soon after I saw it because of the condition.
Old Aug 9, 2009 | 07:37 PM
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One of the 1969 H/O convertibles is in Iowa and the other is in California. I was contacted the other day by an individual who recently received the California car on consignment for sale at an auto dealer outside of San Fran, it was the actual car with the vin that was provided. As of talking to them, they didn't 'figure' out a price on the car yet, saw pictures of the car, it's in 'fair' shape.
Old Aug 26, 2009 | 02:19 PM
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The White 73 proposal showed up on EvilBay a few years ago in peices in Cali... I have pictures and info if interested....
Old Aug 27, 2009 | 12:38 PM
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I wasn't at the OCA Nat's this year but here is some pic's of the '77 when Jeffrey Fieldsend owned it out of Illinois, I believe he sold it to the individual who owns it now in PA.

Originally Posted by joe_padavano
An interesting factoid is that the 1983 H/O prototype was actually a 1982.

Also, I find it interesting that the one-of-one 1977 H/O prototype at Seven Springs did not have the lip spoiler on the trunk. I have seen the actual prototype previously, and it looked very different from the one at the Nats.
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Old Aug 27, 2009 | 12:47 PM
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I've been trying to find pics of an Alero(?) I seen that came equipped with a '70's style ram air hood. Anybody have pics of this car or know anything about it.
Old Aug 27, 2009 | 01:06 PM
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I've been trying to find pics of an Alero(?) I seen that came equipped with a '70's style ram air hood. Anybody have pics of this car or know anything about it.
Bet you mean the Intrigue 442 Concept car that was sold at BJ.
http://www.fe3xolds.com/intrigue442concept.htm
Old Aug 27, 2009 | 01:17 PM
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I like the blue '67 442 that was paraded around to shows a few years ago. Owner claimed it was a genuine '67 Hurst Olds. 455, automatic, "Hurst Equipped" badges. All kinds of display items, but not one shred of documentation or validating information. Not for the "Hurst" or the 455. Car has even been mentioned in a car magazine or 2. Hilarious thing is that it is a *column shift* automatic. Nothing "Hurst" about it!
Haven't seen or heard about it in the last year or so now, so maybe he gave up.
I talked to the guy once. I was left with the impression that he bought the car believing it was legit, and was desperately trying to cling to the belief that it was genuine. I almost felt sorry for him.
Old Aug 27, 2009 | 01:27 PM
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Bet you mean the Intrigue 442 Concept car that was sold at BJ.
http://www.fe3xolds.com/intrigue442concept.htm
Yep! That's it. Thanks. I don't know what to think about the 30th 442. I could probably make a better decision if I knew what powered it.

For those who have never driven a Northstar let me just say. I had the opportunity to drive the (then new) 94 Impala SS belonging to the VP of where I worked. When I came up to a red light my foot slipped off the brake and I accidentally mashed the throttle all the way to the floor. Nice acceleration for a car of this size. I was impressed. About a week later while driving the presidents Eldorado I had the same accident with my foot. I did not expect to have the steering wheel jerked from hand from the torque steer of this monster. The Cadillac had it ALL OVER that SS. I'd love to take that intrigue for a drive. Being careful of course not to let the same thing happen.
Old Aug 27, 2009 | 01:56 PM
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This is a true 70's car, dig the color and the nice lady in her groovy outfit. I still can't find out a thing about it, 1972 Cutlass Contessa GM show car. Weird that is has a '71 front end?? You sure wouldn't see anybody else with the same car as you at shows if you had that baby.

Old Aug 27, 2009 | 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by 1969Hurst
One of the 1969 H/O convertibles is in Iowa and the other is in California. I was contacted the other day by an individual who recently received the California car on consignment for sale at an auto dealer outside of San Fran, it was the actual car with the vin that was provided. As of talking to them, they didn't 'figure' out a price on the car yet, saw pictures of the car, it's in 'fair' shape.
A few years ago, I was told a number on one of those drop tops [don't know which one] and it was out of site. IMHO
Old Aug 28, 2009 | 10:43 AM
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The 30th 442 is a car that Angelo made himself, did a pretty good job of it. He always passed it off as his concept and somthing Olds should have done and never tried to pass it off as real.

[quote=344870M;103682]Yep! That's it. Thanks. I don't know what to think about the 30th 442. I could probably make a better decision if I knew what powered it.
Old Aug 28, 2009 | 10:50 AM
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its that pic from the 71 chicago auto show? i have a press kit that talks about a pink cutlass and an all gold toronado.
Old Feb 5, 2010 | 08:06 AM
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dont feel sorry

Originally Posted by wmachine
I like the blue '67 442 that was paraded around to shows a few years ago. Owner claimed it was a genuine '67 Hurst Olds. 455, automatic, "Hurst Equipped" badges. All kinds of display items, but not one shred of documentation or validating information. Not for the "Hurst" or the 455. Car has even been mentioned in a car magazine or 2. Hilarious thing is that it is a *column shift* automatic. Nothing "Hurst" about it!
Haven't seen or heard about it in the last year or so now, so maybe he gave up.
I talked to the guy once. I was left with the impression that he bought the car believing it was legit, and was desperately trying to cling to the belief that it was genuine. I almost felt sorry for him.
i do have papers on it and ads from 1967 about the car and it was order with coloum shift i love u guys that know it all i guess they didnt make a hemi olds either
Old Feb 5, 2010 | 08:20 AM
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i do have papers on it and ads from 1967 about the car and it was order with coloum shift i love u guys that know it all i guess they didnt make a hemi olds either
Nothing personal, it is simply about the facts. Three words: Show me proof.
Old Feb 5, 2010 | 08:30 AM
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alls good

Originally Posted by wmachine
Nothing personal, it is simply about the facts. Three words: Show me proof.
i will post pics of the ad from 67 but not all papers as their is a lot of wrong doers out their mcr did in fact see all papers thats why they looked me up and did the story. hey dont beleive but look up hursts old stuff did you know they mad a 2 engine 68 cutlass a hemi olds my beef is they didnt put out enough of these to get the word out you had be in with the goverment to get what u wanted like yenko baldiwin in motion dodge

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Old Feb 5, 2010 | 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by alsip455
i will post pics of the ad from 67
Gee, what magazine and issue number/date?

Originally Posted by alsip455
mcr did in fact see all papers thats why they looked me up and did the story.
So how did they see the papers BEFORE they looked you up?

Originally Posted by alsip455
my beef is they didnt put out enough of these to get the word out you had be in with the goverment to get what u wanted like yenko baldiwin in motion dodge
What branch of the Gubmint did you have to be in? And don't forget Mr. Norm!

You're too much.

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Old Feb 5, 2010 | 08:12 PM
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ha

there is always 1 a=== hole and your him
Old Feb 5, 2010 | 08:15 PM
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or did the alien eat your brain to dont be haten cause u drive junk be a man not a keypad its easy to type
Old Feb 5, 2010 | 08:16 PM
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Its OK. I understand.
Old Feb 5, 2010 | 08:20 PM
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i ll be at the home coming please come and introduce yourself love to meet you will have all u need there
Old Feb 5, 2010 | 08:40 PM
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That's fine.

By the way, here are a couple references to your "emblematic" car that you missed:

https://classicoldsmobile.com/forums...-68-442-a.html

https://classicoldsmobile.com/forums...-oca-nats.html
Old Feb 5, 2010 | 09:07 PM
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read the article

the article never did say 1of 1 never, things got crossed through the years but i post pics of the ad in 67 hot rod that ran when i spoke with kurt anderson he had told me all about the hemi olds motor and the testing of them, i had told them my uncle owns the other one with all the papers on it he bought in 1971 in ohio.and still has it its a 4sp mine was order with coloum shift and bench seat car was lighter hurst was about performance not just shifters air bags in rear schocks trans parts and so on olds and pontiac had lots of back door tricks done by them as i said will be at homecoming with every thing in hand will clear all this up
Old Feb 5, 2010 | 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by alsip455
i ll be at the home coming please come and introduce yourself love to meet you will have all u need there
Will you be bringing a grammar book?
Old Feb 5, 2010 | 09:34 PM
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This whole affair is EMBLEMATIC of what's wrong with the old car hobby.

All mocking aside, you have an opportunity HERE AND NOW to clear everything up. Rather than waiting to tell some new version of your story at Homecoming, only to later claim you were misquoted, how's about RIGHT NOW you put your claims in writing. Describe the cars, what EXACTLY you are claiming they are, what motors and modifications from stock they have, how they came to be, etc etc. To heck with proof, just what are you claiming the cars to be (today) EXACTLY?

I'll bet money you won't even do that, i.e. allow yourself to be pinned down by saying in detail what the story is behind these cars. And the reason you won't do that is because you are making it up as you go along. You simply CAN'T have your claims documented, for then you'll lose the luxury of denying them and/or altering them in the future.

Prove me wrong.
Old Feb 6, 2010 | 03:25 AM
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speaking of prototype's my X brother inlaw talked about a buddy in Wisconsin that had a 66 or 67 gto with a proto olds motor in it that was a true rocket no it was not a 1 off set up as far as olds to pontiac but he sad that olds brass was on him to give moter up becouse it was a non public issued power plant ??? was a rip snorten bad *** set up from what he said would smoke stage 1's and ram air poncho's. when trying to get more info on it he just said that was a long time ago so who knows
Old Feb 6, 2010 | 03:48 AM
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Was alsip455's car a car like a royal pontiac 428 firebird's or ram air v gto's or a knafel magnum 400, built by a dealer with hurst parts like wheels and shocks and air bags and and and then sold? With chevrolet being the gm darling was this a olds dealers version to the yenko or baldwin, berger , tasca , mr norms super cars . Who was the dealer that sold the hurst equipped 67 car that you have .
Old Feb 6, 2010 | 05:21 AM
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Originally Posted by alsip455
my beef is they didnt put out enough of these to get the word out you had be in with the goverment to get what u wanted like yenko baldiwin in motion dodge
Oy vey, where do we begin?

The government is irrelevant.

Yenko Chevrolet, starting in 1969, sold cars with factory-installed 427s, like many other dealers. The difference was he branded his own cars with stripes (and, optionally, Atlas wheels and headers).

Baldwin Chevrolet worked in conjunction with Motion Performance to supertune your 427 Biscayne all the way to transplanting L88s in Camaros. They too branded their cars. So where does Dodge come in with Motion?

Not trying to pile on the bandwagon, but every other guy out there does the same thing - they lived through the era but they're all mixed up. As words of advice, perhaps if you had your facts straight and used some kind of logic (Hemi Olds? Not a good analogy to suggest your car is possible), then people would warm up to you.

. . . oh, yeah, the proof too!
Old Feb 7, 2010 | 06:31 AM
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