Help Decoding 65 Trim Tag

[Rdrokit]

I have checked other threads but could not decode this tag completely. So far I have 65 Cutlass Holiday coupe made 3rd week in September (probably 1964), trim blue vinyl, made in Lansing, exterior paint blue lower, white upper and that's as far as I can go. The car was made for export as it has a kilometer speedo, bucket seats, power windows, driver seat and antenna plus a/c. Thanks.
P.S. Anyone how many gallons the gas tank holds? I left a thread in the Tech section asking but no one answered it.

[Rdrokit]

My humble apologies for putting this in the wrong forum. I could have sworn I hit the Cutlass Forum. God getting old sucks.

[Jamesbo]

20 gal.

[Rdrokit]

Originally Posted by Jamesbo

20 gal.

Thanks Jamesbo

[joe_padavano]

[quote=Rdrokit;86476]...made 3rd week in September (probably 1964).../quote]

Actually, definitely 1964. A Sept 1965 build would be a 1966 model year car.

[wmachine]

You, my friend, have one of the most extensive collection of accessory codes I've every seen. Might as well just recite the alphabet!
Here we go:
Column 1
E Tinted windows (not just windshield)
X Power windows
T Power seat
S Power trunk
O Pillar molding for two-tone paint
Column 2
K AC
X Auto floor shift trans
C Console
P Got me. This one has not been determined, best I know. *
T Power antenna
R Rear shelf speaker
Column 4
C Chrome side window sill moldings
Column 5
O Not sure on this one. Seat belt delete?

* You can help me here with this one. Column 2P. What option do you have that hasn't been covered? I don't think it would have to do with it being an export, but it may. It would have to some kind of modification to the body that is required for an option. (Like AC requires certain firewall piercings)

[TK-65]

Bro speculates 2P as the parking brake light on the dash. But its not a proven fact.

[wmachine]

Originally Posted by TK-65

Bro speculates 2P as the parking brake light on the dash. But its not a proven fact.

I think that is a good stab at it Jason, as this has the light. But I'd have to say not. It is not a body modification. Dash options don't qualify. I also know of '66s with the light with no code. I'm pretty confident that can't be it. I'm e-mailing this thread to Glenn.

[Rdrokit]

Kurt thanks for all that decoding. It is hard to tell on the car what is original and what is added or deleted after 40 odd years in Thailand. Take a look to the right of the wiper control as there is a red indicator light. Might be for the parking brake (inop at the moment). There is an odd thing on the body as the back up lights have amber lenses and they look original. At the moment they are the rear turn signal indicator lights. Besides the 200 kilometer spedo I can't find any other accessories. Oh there is a button on the wiper switch, is this for a washer??

[wmachine]

Originally Posted by Rdrokit

Kurt thanks for all that decoding. It is hard to tell on the car what is original and what is added or deleted after 40 odd years in Thailand. Take a look to the right of the wiper control as there is a red indicator light. Might be for the parking brake (inop at the moment). There is an odd thing on the body as the back up lights have amber lenses and they look original. At the moment they are the rear turn signal indicator lights. Besides the 200 kilometer spedo I can't find any other accessories. Oh there is a button on the wiper switch, is this for a washer??

Thanks for the info, Byron. The button is for the washer. Red dash light should be for emergency brake. Both that and the 200 kilo shouldn't require an accessory code.
I wonder if the amber b/u lights converted to turn signals were due to a foreign country requirement for amber (and not red) turn signals. I don't recall ever seeing this in any export date. I have my doubts that it is a factory export setup. Even if it is, I don't see where that either would get a body accessory code.
The 2P *could* have to do with export, but I haven't figured out how yet, I need to go over what all is part of the export options. If it is, that would explain why it is so rare!

[TK-65]

We need more pics of this car, specifically the export changes. Id like to document this stuff for my site.

[Rdrokit]

Kurt,
The car has a vinyl roof. Which option code would that be?
Byron

[Rdrokit]

Originally Posted by TK-65

We need more pics of this car, specifically the export changes. Id like to document this stuff for my site.

TK -65 what site would that be? You can view and download pics of the car off my website. http://picasaweb.google.com/rdrokit

[wmachine]

Originally Posted by Rdrokit

Kurt,
The car has a vinyl roof. Which option code would that be?
Byron

Its the Column 1 "O" on your tag. The vinyl had to be added, as the F85 vinyl roofs didn't start until '66. Specifically, the O isn;t for the two tone paint or vinyl top, it is for the holes required in the body to mount the stainless trim that separates the top from the body on cars with those options.

[TK-65]

His car has the special simulated wood steering wheel, option code 5Y, or so we think. His tag doesnt have 5Y. Another mystery?

[wmachine]

No. Steering wheel type and/or column (tilt, etc) are not in the body tag accessory codes. There are no body modifications needed for those options.
Column 5 Y is definitely deluxe front & rear seat belts in '66 and '67. I think they *may* be for '65 too, but I'm not certain. The codes are definitely not all the same for all years.

[TK-65]

In 65 5W was deluxe seat belts, front only. No factory rears in 65, dealer only.

[wmachine]

Originally Posted by TK-65

In 65 5W was deluxe seat belts, front only. No factory rears in 65, dealer only.

No, Option A39 was Deluxe front and rear belts with front re-tractors.
Option A49 was Deluxe front only, with re-tractors.
Was that way from the beginning of the model year to the end.

Possibly 5W was A49, and 5Y was A39?

[Rdrokit]

Guys, Here is a better picture of the steering wheel and column. It is a tilt column but the wheel has a white leathe/vinyl trim.

[442scotty]

You will probably have a nice woodgrain under the leather on the wheel...

What I really want to know is how you put a toyota engine in that thing... maybe you can post some swap info on that one

[Rdrokit]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

You will probably have a nice woodgrain under the leather on the wheel...

What I really want to know is how you put a toyota engine in that thing... maybe you can post some swap info on that one

442scotty, There was much fabrication done to make the engine and transmission fit. It would be cost prohibited to do it in the States but in Thailand..........first you need to know that the minimum wage here is about $5.00 a DAY not an hour.....yes you read that correct $5.00 per day. Which means you can get a good mechanic for about $30.00 a day.(It really doesn't pay to work on your own car, just supervise a good mechanic) When I got the car alot of the fab had been done as it had a 6 cylinder 2.5 liter turbocharged Toyota engine. The Lexus V-8 bolted up to the same transmission so my mechanic just did the new engine fab work which took him a week or about $200.00. Jap engines are cheap here as they come in used from Japan with little or no import tax so I paid $1200 for the engine. The BEST killer paint job will cost about $1500 and they still use good paint here, no government restrictions. The previous owner put that blue & white tuck and roll interior (which I will live with cause it's new) for $300 which included the door panels and package tray. I'm retired and living on a pension so Thailand fits right into my budget.

[442scotty]

Your car is kinda cool...a hybrid I suppose...

[Rdrokit]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

Your car is kinda cool...a hybrid I suppose...

Yes definitely a hybrid. But I really like it as the engine runs like a bat out of hell and sounds just like an American V-8. I even think it looks good under the hood.

[TK-65]

Originally Posted by wmachine

No, Option A39 was Deluxe front and rear belts with front re-tractors.
Option A49 was Deluxe front only, with re-tractors.
Was that way from the beginning of the model year to the end.

Possibly 5W was A49, and 5Y was A39?

Shouldve known that, I have the dealer check sheet posted on my site.

[German442]

Originally Posted by Rdrokit

TK -65 what site would that be? You can view and download pics of the car off my website. http://picasaweb.google.com/rdrokit

Since Jasen is apparently too bashful, here's the URL to his site:
http://www.ultra-high-compression.com/

Ralph

[Rdrokit]

Originally Posted by wmachine

I wonder if the amber b/u lights converted to turn signals were due to a foreign country requirement for amber (and not red) turn signals. I don't recall ever seeing this in any export date. I have my doubts that it is a factory export setup. Even if it is, I don't see where that either would get a body accessory code.
The 2P *could* have to do with export, but I haven't figured out how yet, I need to go over what all is part of the export options. If it is, that would explain why it is so rare!

Just to let you guys know Kurt was correct about the amber b/u lights. It is a law here that front and rear turn signals must be amber. Also, the front parking/turn signal lights have a clear lens with an amber lens behind it. I wonder if these front lens are the same all all 65s?

[mox-ct]

Originally Posted by Rdrokit

TK -65 what site would that be? You can view and download pics of the car off my website. http://picasaweb.google.com/rdrokit

I never would have expected a Toyota engine. I have a 330 4bbl engine good for a core that belongs in that car.

[Rdrokit]

Originally Posted by mox-ct

I never would have expected a Toyota engine. I have a 330 4bbl engine good for a core that belongs in that car.

moc-ct, thanks for the offer on the block but being in Thailand I have many problems not had in the States. Mainly there are no machine shops here set up to work on V-8 engines, and second, any part I import with a value over $34.00 is subject to a 35% import/customs tax. Since I am retired on a fixed income (and the US dollar keeps getting devalued) I do not have the funds needed to restore an original engine. When I retired here, 4 years ago, I got 42 baht (Thai currency) for every US dollar, now I get 34. That is a loss of almost 20% of my income. Thank you MR. Bush and MR. Obama.

[mox-ct]

Originally Posted by Rdrokit

moc-ct, thanks for the offer on the block but being in Thailand I have many problems not had in the States. Mainly there are no machine shops here set up to work on V-8 engines, and second, any part I import with a value over $34.00 is subject to a 35% import/customs tax. Since I am retired on a fixed income (and the US dollar keeps getting devalued) I do not have the funds needed to restore an original engine. When I retired here, 4 years ago, I got 42 baht (Thai currency) for every US dollar, now I get 34. That is a loss of almost 20% of my income. Thank you MR. Bush and MR. Obama.

Completely understandable, I just thought I would throw that on the table for you if interested. I still like the car, and have found this site and the others referenced here to be a lot of fun. If you ever come to CT, look me up, I'll show you my 442 which is in mothballs in the garage.

[ent72olds]

Originally Posted by Rdrokit

Just to let you guys know Kurt was correct about the amber b/u lights. It is a law here that front and rear turn signals must be amber. Also, the front parking/turn signal lights have a clear lens with an amber lens behind it. I wonder if these front lens are the same all all 65s?

Byron, yes on the amber lens behind the clear lense on the front, at least on my '65 VC. But while we're here, not to hijack, but maybe Kurt or Jason could tell me what the "G" means on my plate....it's the only letter on my low option Vista? Thanks!

[wmachine]

Originally Posted by ent72olds

But while we're here, not to hijack, but maybe Kurt or Jason could tell me what the "G" means on my plate....it's the only letter on my low option Vista? Thanks!

Presume you mean Accessory code G? Need to know what the "column" number is. Meaning:
All letters before the first number (usually a "2") are column 1 code letters. All codes between numbers are for the column code number preceding the letters.

Bear in mind these codes only apply to Lansing and Framingham plants (for the most part) and not Fremont and some others.

Always best just to post a pic of the data plate!

[ent72olds]

Originally Posted by wmachine

Presume you mean Accessory code G? Need to know what the "column" number is. Meaning:
All letters before the first number (usually a "2") are column 1 code letters. All codes between numbers are for the column code number preceding the letters.

Bear in mind these codes only apply to Lansing and Framingham plants (for the most part) and not Fremont and some others.

Always best just to post a pic of the data plate!

Thanks Kurt, will do right now!

[Rdrokit]

Originally Posted by ent72olds

Byron, yes on the amber lens behind the clear lense on the front, at least on my '65 VC. But while we're here, not to hijack, but maybe Kurt or Jason could tell me what the "G" means on my plate....it's the only letter on my low option Vista? Thanks!

Erik,
Thanks for the answer on the front lenes. No problem hijacking my thread as we are all one family here. Post a photo of your data plate here. It's OK.

[ent72olds]

Originally Posted by Rdrokit

Erik,
Thanks for the answer on the front lenes. No problem hijacking my thread as we are all one family here. Post a photo of your data plate here. It's OK.

Thanks Byron....here it is! Thanks in advance for the decode Kurt!

[wmachine]

Originally Posted by ent72olds

Thanks Byron....here it is! Thanks in advance for the decode Kurt!

Sorry, I'm not going to be able to help you out with that one. That is a "column 1" G, and I don't know what that is.

99% of the codes gathered and documented apply to F85 coupes, sedans, and converts. A "column 1" G hasn't shown up yet.
Same body option code should be the same regardless of model, so most likely it is an option exclusive to the wagons. Could be something like a roof-rack.

[ent72olds]

Thanks, wonder if it could be third seat or block heater...only options I know of, of course, those are not body options....

[wmachine]

Originally Posted by ent72olds

Thanks, wonder if it could be third seat or block heater...only options I know of, of course, those are not body options....

Third seat is body related, but isn't that standard in a Vista?

[ent72olds]

Originally Posted by wmachine

Third seat is body related, but isn't that standard in a Vista?

Everything I've heard, no it isn't. I even met 2 guys at the Nats with '65's w/o the third seat...

[wmachine]

Originally Posted by ent72olds

Everything I've heard, no it isn't. I even met 2 guys at the Nats with '65's w/o the third seat...

Okay, I checked the books. In '65, the model determined the third seat. There were 4 models; Standard 2 seat, Standard 3 seat, Custom 2 seat, and Custom 3 seat.
Since the third seat determination is in the model number, it wouldn't be part of the Accessory Codes.
We're back to something like the roof rack. Does yours have it?

[ent72olds]

Originally Posted by wmachine

Okay, I checked the books. In '65, the model determined the third seat. There were 4 models; Standard 2 seat, Standard 3 seat, Custom 2 seat, and Custom 3 seat.
Since the third seat determination is in the model number, it wouldn't be part of the Accessory Codes.
We're back to something like the roof rack. Does yours have it?

Kurt, from what I understand, mine is a Custom 3 seat...it didn't have a rack on it when I got it although I have since added it. The roof has been re-painted at one time, so it is possible there may have been one. I have the protecto-plate with the orig owners info. Conn car, I'm on LI. I guess I could do some research to find out if he still exists 45 years later and ask questions!