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Old March 20th, 2019, 11:20 PM
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TH350 to TH400, 72 Cutlass

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I'm swapping out my stock TH350 transmission for a TH400, for my 1972 Cutlass. Do I need any new brackets/linkage/cables/ etc.? So far besides the build I have a new tranny mount for it, but that's it.

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If you want the parking brake to work, you're going to need the correct cables for a TH400 car.

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Way back in high school, before I knew much about cars in general and Olds in particular, I swapped a 400 in place of the TH350 in my 69. I used a couple extra parking brake guides in strategic places to take up the couple extra inches in cable slack. It’s not technically the correct way to do it, but it will work and function fine. Later in life when I parted out a care that had the correct parts I swapped for the right parts. The cable that goes from the parking brake pedal on a 400 car is a little longer, the intermediate cable is a little shorter. The trans crossmember is moved back about an inch or so.
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In addition you'll need a new drive shaft yoke, and mod the driveshaft length.
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Old March 21st, 2019, 08:21 AM
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Don't waste money on cutting the existing driveshaft, have them make you a new solid tube driveshaft with new parts.

"2 piece" driveshaft came on (small block, low power) AT cars and it will separate at the isolation joint, especially with added power of the new engine.
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Old March 21st, 2019, 08:45 AM
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Yes, I'm going to have a new driveshaft made for the car, too.

Any links to companies that supply all the cables / parts needed for the swap?
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Old March 21st, 2019, 10:10 AM
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Food for thought... I don't know if it matters to you or if you are aware that a TH400 has a greater paracidic driveline loss vs a TH350. This means less HP/torque to the wheels. It is enough that you may not like the results? I did this swap on my first car 72 Biscayne with a 350/350 and noticed the loss right away. Couldn't kill that TH400 no matter how hard I beat on it.
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I still have the original TH350 that came out of my car. I would love to go to the track and do a back to back test.
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FYI you can easily build the TH 350 to handle the power your engine puts out. Mine was build with Jake's performance stage 2 kit and it's been putting up with the abuse from BBO for last 5 years.
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Originally Posted by 70cutty
FYI you can easily build the TH 350 to handle the power your engine puts out. Mine was build with Jake's performance stage 2 kit and it's been putting up with the abuse from BBO for last 5 years.
What about an Olds 350 block w/ almost 600ft/lbs of torque?

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Food for thought... I don't know if it matters to you or if you are aware that a TH400 has a greater paracidic driveline loss vs a TH350. This means less HP/torque to the wheels. It is enough that you may not like the results? I did this swap on my first car 72 Biscayne with a 350/350 and noticed the loss right away. Couldn't kill that TH400 no matter how hard I beat on it.

Well, the 350 is a 434ci stroker and just put down 530hp/580tq. I think the TH400 will suffice.
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Originally Posted by svnt442
If you want the parking brake to work, you're going to need the correct cables for a TH400 car.
Does any vendor sell them?
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Originally Posted by 72GoldOlds350
Does any vendor sell them?
This is a complete set of cables.

https://www.opgi.com/cutlass/1970/br...rakes/C990261/
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Originally Posted by svnt442
Awesome - thank you!

All other cables can be reused from my TH350? kick down cables, etc?
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Originally Posted by 72GoldOlds350
Awesome - thank you!

All other cables can be reused from my TH350? kick down cables, etc?
TH400 uses an electronic kickdown. There normally is a switch and bracket attached to the gas pedal, but you don't have that. Seeing as you're not going for originality you can use the same type of switch used for nitrous systems and just make sure it activates at WOT. All you'll need other than that is power to the switch when the ignition is on and then run the control wire to the solenoid on the drivers side of the trans. You can't miss it...it will be a spade terminal just hanging out doing nothing waiting to be plugged in.
EDIT: IF by chance you have a trans that was designed with the TCS system, there will be two terminals on the trans.
Looks like this: Connect the wire to the detent terminal of you have two terminals.

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Originally Posted by 72GoldOlds350
What about an Olds 350 block w/ almost 600ft/lbs of torque?
With ease, if built properly with right parts th 350 will put up with much more than that. When my new engine arrived from Mark I was debating on going with th400, after talking to my transmission guy and realizing that it might be more cost effective and less work for me, I decided to keep and build up my th350. The only thing I added was a big transmission cooler.
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Originally Posted by 70cutty
With ease, if built properly with right parts th 350 will put up with much more than that. When my new engine arrived from Mark I was debating on going with th400, after talking to my transmission guy and realizing that it might be more cost effective and less work for me, I decided to keep and build up my th350. The only thing I added was a big transmission cooler.
That's good to know - I'll run this by my transmission builder and see what he thinks, too.
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I have built a few 350 trans in low 10-high 9 second cars. The biggest weakness in the intermediate sprag. You can’t install a upgraded sprag like a 400, you have to buy a custom aftermarket drum with a bigger sprag (I thing the sprag used is from a C6 ford trans, or maybe a 4T80 trans). The drum is pretty expensive, plus when the factory part breaks it usually tears up other stuff. It if’s a light weight car, with a low RPM engine, the 350 will have a better chance of durable life. Heavy cars with a engine that really buzzes the tach, the sprag becomes a costly durability concern.
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Originally Posted by 72GoldOlds350
What about an Olds 350 block w/ almost 600ft/lbs of torque?




Well, the 350 is a 434ci stroker and just put down 530hp/580tq. I think the TH400 will suffice.
Ahh ya you left out that tiny detail.
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Originally Posted by droldsmorland
Ahh ya you left out that tiny detail.
Correct, I did. My apologies. I'm 99 percent sure I'll be sticking with a TH400.
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T400 hands down, built it usually will last through the most severe beatings.
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GM designed and built the TH400 at considerable expense to handle their big block torque monster engines. Modifying a 350 might be fine for someone who knows what they are doing and has a specific goal in mind, but for a motor putting out nearly 600 lb-ft I thing the extra losses incurred with a 400 don't really matter, nor do I thing fuel economy is a factor either. Starting with a transmission stronger from the factory seems the way to go to me.

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Originally Posted by svnt442
Rockauto or your local autoparts store carry parking brake cables
https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/...ake+cable,1696
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Originally Posted by oldcutlass
Rockauto or your local autoparts store carry parking brake cables
https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/...ake+cable,1696
I love rockauto! Thank you.
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Originally Posted by oldcutlass
Rockauto or your local autoparts store carry parking brake cables
https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/...ake+cable,1696
This is why I suggested this kit:
COMPLETE SET INCLUDES:
(1) Front cable
(1) Intermediate cable
(2) Rear cables
(1) Large S-hook
(2) Small S-hooks
(2) Connectors
(3) Clips
(1) Equalizer.
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Originally Posted by svnt442
This is why I suggested this kit:
COMPLETE SET INCLUDES:
(1) Front cable
(1) Intermediate cable
(2) Rear cables
(1) Large S-hook
(2) Small S-hooks
(2) Connectors
(3) Clips
(1) Equalizer.
That's the one I got.
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I Have built a few Th350's and currently running one that was behind a friends 455 running low 11's . The TH350 can handle the power and wont eat as much up as the TH400 and the Th400 has much bigger and heavier internals. To put some perspective to it guys in stock eliminator are running metric 200's because they are light . The th400 in stock form isn't as strong as many think. They still have their weak areas and need work to handle anything over a mild built 455. In stock form its stronger but has much more rotating mass but there is a fine point where it will need some work to live .

To all those saying the th400 can take a beating. I killed a th400 behind a mild 350 running low 13's 6 years ago and it wasn't the builder some hard parts failed.

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Originally Posted by 72goldolds350
that's the one i got.
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