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Old July 14th, 2017, 10:47 PM   #41
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How about the full wheel covers and 225 75 x 15 tires are likely a better match for the car than the 215 size. I thought LR 78 x 15 converted to 235 75 x 15 tires from my Cadillac tires that were always L's. Regards, Trent in Los Angeles.
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Old July 15th, 2017, 04:33 AM   #42
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Your current tires look to be a bit small is why I asked. I'd go with white walls.
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Old July 15th, 2017, 06:23 AM   #43
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I recalled your wheels were rusty is why I suggested the full wheel covers. The chrome wheels were used on the first generation Toronados and don't think they were available for the later years. The set in your trunk are likely the correct caps anyway for your car. Good point about the sunroof being a part of the $2700 XS option which explains the high price tag. Great job fixing up this Toronado in a short period of time. I also have a set of Hercules Tires made by Cooper which are marketed at a lower cost point and also have many whitewalls available. Both brands are made in USA and I see Cooper starting to advertise that they are a long term USA company on TV commercials.
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Old July 15th, 2017, 11:02 AM   #44
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Your current tires look to be a bit small is why I asked. I'd go with white walls.
You're right. The conversion to metric showed three sizes, none of which were as thin as 215. Like I said, the seller just slapped on whatever he could find that would hold the car up. I'm leaning to whitewalls, and I'm sure I'll have a good discussion about tire size with whatever shop I buy them from.
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Old July 15th, 2017, 11:04 AM   #45
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I recalled your wheels were rusty is why I suggested the full wheel covers.
Yes the wheels do have rust, and I plan to use the full covers once the new tires are on. The other issue with the smaller covers is that they don't fit on all that tightly, and whenever I would go over a rut in the road, it sounded like I was dragging a coffee can full of nails. Took the small covers off, and everything is quiet.
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Old July 15th, 2017, 11:19 AM   #46
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We now have a hood ornament. I used the base that was on the car, the ornament gotten from ebay that Allan suggested a few posts back, and the guts (spring, clip, retainer ring) of the ornament acquired from oldspackrat. So two ornaments gave their lives so that a third could live.

The ebay ornament isn't perfect, but it is correct, and it doesn't look too bad, especially if you stand a couple hundred feet away when you're looking at it.

By the way, those spots on the car in the first photo? It actually started raining lightly when I backed the car out of the garage to take the photos in better light. My brand new paint job getting rained on!









These are what I have left and don't need. The generic Olds hood ornament and the base that goes with it (plus the two speed nuts that hold the base on). If anyone is interested in these, PM me your mailing address and I'll get them right out to you. No charge. I just want to see them go to a good home as I have no need for them but they're NOS and too nice to throw away. I am planning to be in Albuquerque late next week, and if I still have them by then, I'll bring them with me and hopefully get rid of them there.

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Old July 16th, 2017, 01:32 PM   #47
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Dan,
VIN sequence for all models has different start numbers, which I believe you know. I'm inclined to believe that in order to get the majority share of G body and B/C car bodies out to inventory, the Toro likely was not in the category of getting production runs going. Anyway, that's my theory, and I will concede to being wrong if someone has a solid confirmation about the Special Order concept of assigning VIN when the order was processed.
BTW, I think the WW tires with the full wheel discs looks classy. And with a car like that, classy is the ultimate goal.

EDIT: Nice job getting the hood ornament installed!

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Old July 17th, 2017, 07:11 AM   #48
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Blackwalls or whitewalls?
I'm definitely in the white wall camp. My new car had a set on it when I got it. Hankook Optimo H724 in 225/75R15s are still available in white wall. I recently ordered one from tirerack.com for a reasonable price to go on my spare. I don't know that they are the perfect size, but my speedo is pretty accurate.

Here's a few from my car with those tires to give you an idea of the white wall width:


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Thanks. Your car looks great! I'm pretty much sold on whitewalls.
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Here is a picture from last year's Olds Homecoming show in Lansing. The two cars closest have two different widths of white walls.

The '77 seems to have Hankooks on it. I can't make out the '78's, but it has a cursive script near the white stripe.

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Thought I'd post one more before/after photo set and more car history. Trent in Los Angeles (Visatcruiser71) found this at myclassiccar.com and brought it to my attention. The seller told a story about the car and its sale, and he posted a photo of the car being loaded onto a flatbed truck. This is a photo I had not seen before.

The car was in Hahira, Georgia, a small town about 20 miles north of Valdosta. It was first loaded onto a flatbed truck and transported to Valdosta, where it was transferred to the truck that would bring it to New Mexico.

Here's a photo of the car being dragged out of the dirt and loaded onto the flatbed. Below it is a photo of the car from the same angle as it currently looks.







Here's the seller's comments accompanying the photo. I actually learned some things about the car that I hadn't known before from these comments. Most significantly, I never could get a straight answer out of the seller as to precisely how long it had been since the engine was last started. The answer is here...2003, or 14 years ago. He did tell me that he had gone through it, replacing hoses, belts, fluids, etc. before storing it at his father's house and before the falling out.

I worked at Clark Oldsmobile in West Palm Beach, Florida, right after graduating high school in 1978. This (formerly) beautiful but still rare and unusual Oldsmobile Toronado came in for service and oil changes. I gave the owner my name and number and told him to call if he ever wanted to sell it. In 1980 he did, and my dad purchased it. They drove it very little. I purchased it in 1994 from them. In 2003, I went thru it as far as tune-up, tires, exhaust and other cosmetics. Other than that it was gorgeous and like new.

I made a move out of state and stored the car and other things at my parents. Unfortunately, my father and I had a “falling out” and he refused to let me get my cars (and four antique wood boats). After he passed away several months ago, I went to get the car and it was in pretty sad shape. Instead of being worth $8-10K, I have sold it for $2,450 to a man in New Mexico. It has surface rust on the whole top part of all the panels. It still is original paint but will have to be brought down to the metal and resprayed.

Here’s the wild part: I really never looked at the VIN until selling it to the new owner. The last five digits are: 00005. It was the fifth Toronado made that year. Incredible.
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I remember seeing your car on Craigslist (Yes, I know, it's a bad habit). There is no comparison to what you've brought her back to from those pics.
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I have all the craigslist photos, plus more he sent me when I was considering buying the car. The photo I just posted would not have been part of that as it was taken when the car was being loaded up for shipment. I had not seen it until Trent pointed it out to me, and I just think it's pretty cool. What I'd really like to see is photos of the car from back in the '80s and '90s, before it deteriorated. The seller has stayed in touch, and I've sent him photos of it after the repaint. (He's threatening to buy it back.) I'm sure if he ever comes across any other photos, he'll send them to me.

Thanks for the photos of the wide and narrow whitewalls. I think the narrows look a little better, but both look good.

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