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Old August 29th, 2017, 08:36 PM   #1
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Daily driving a 68 Delta 88 455

Is a 455 reliable as a daily driver in my 68 Delta 88?
Also was wondering about a 1965 Stardfire I saw up for sale with a 425. Are they basically the same or is one better in some way or overall?
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They were sold new as daily drivers. If the car has been maintained why not? Collector car insurance may be an issue because they don't like them driven as daily drivers.
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Is a 455 reliable as a daily driver in my 68 Delta 88?
As with any vehicle that is nearly 50 years old, its condition is what dictates if it is reliable or not. Back in 1968 it was as completely reliable as a daily driver.
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As with any vehicle that is nearly 50 years old, its condition is what dictates if it is reliable or not. Back in 1968 it was as completely reliable as a daily driver.
Thank you very much I wanted to here from someone directly about it I plan on starting on a freshly built to daily drive I say even with the mpg it's worth it because it's paid off and insurance is cheap thanks again
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They were sold new as daily drivers. If the car has been maintained why not? Collector car insurance may be an issue because they don't like them driven as daily drivers.
Thank you I'm going to keep it stock but have it rebuilt 365 hp is enough for me
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Curious as to why a rebuild? If it runs well, compression is good etc., a timing chain, valve seals and gaskets may be all that is needed. Sometimes a "rebuild" can bring problems to an otherwise good engine.

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Curious as to why a rebuild? If it runs well, compression is good etc., a timing chain, valve seals and gaskets may be all that is needed. Sometimes a "rebuild" can bring problems to an otherwise good engine.

Good luck!!!
I blew the original engine flooring it on the freeway so I'm going to get it rebuilt with better heads and get a bigger oil pan so it doesn't burn up again. Or I might save it for another Oldsmobile in the future and buy a complete crate 455, are those worth any while? Are there any good companies that make them for a good price that can be daily driven? Just curious because id like to know the best option😁
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My first car was a 68 delta custom, daily drove it for two years(2010-2012) without issues.
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I'm just finishing up my 67 D88 to be a daily driver. I really like the idea of a daily driver that is half a century old.

In my case, this car needed a lot, and I wanted it to be dead stone reliable, so I completely rebuilt every single part of the steering, suspension, brakes, and exhaust. I also dropped in a rebuilt 455 that I had because the 425 was tired and blowing oil smoke.

There are three problems with using a car like this as a daily driver.

1) Normal maintenance parts will not be on the shelf at the local parts store. In many cases you will need to order them on line and face a week or more delay while the part is shipped. In my case, I stockpile a lot of stuff (hey, when you have a dozen Oldmobiles, you need that stuff), but be advised that the car might be down for a week or more at a time due to parts availability.

2) Certain normal wear items are nearly impossible to get for this specific car. The upper ball joints, center link, idler arm, and brake drums are not readily available. Kanter sells some Chinesium parts that are close, but not exactly like original. Rare Parts does sell a US-made center link, but it is spendy. Be aware of this.

3) Body and trim parts are nonexistent. If the car is damaged in an accident, you will pretty much have to buy another parts car to fix it.

These are not intended to stop you from daily driving this car (and they don't stop me), but be aware of these issues and do this with your eyes open. Bottom like is that this can't be your only vehicle if you absolutely MUST be able to drive somewhere.
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Shoot why not daily drive it my first daily driver was my 79 olds drove it no problems for a year and got 10mpg but the looks and everyone coming up to you is worth it
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I'm just finishing up my 67 D88 to be a daily driver. I really like the idea of a daily driver that is half a century old.

In my case, this car needed a lot, and I wanted it to be dead stone reliable, so I completely rebuilt every single part of the steering, suspension, brakes, and exhaust. I also dropped in a rebuilt 455 that I had because the 425 was tired and blowing oil smoke.

There are three problems with using a car like this as a daily driver.

1) Normal maintenance parts will not be on the shelf at the local parts store. In many cases you will need to order them on line and face a week or more delay while the part is shipped. In my case, I stockpile a lot of stuff (hey, when you have a dozen Oldmobiles, you need that stuff), but be advised that the car might be down for a week or more at a time due to parts availability.

2) Certain normal wear items are nearly impossible to get for this specific car. The upper ball joints, center link, idler arm, and brake drums are not readily available. Kanter sells some Chinesium parts that are close, but not exactly like original. Rare Parts does sell a US-made center link, but it is spendy. Be aware of this.

3) Body and trim parts are nonexistent. If the car is damaged in an accident, you will pretty much have to buy another parts car to fix it.

These are not intended to stop you from daily driving this car (and they don't stop me), but be aware of these issues and do this with your eyes open. Bottom like is that this can't be your only vehicle if you absolutely MUST be able to drive somewhere.
Thanks for the info I will be buying a cheap reliable car off of Craigslist here soon while my car is getting ready to daily drive and thankfully all it needs is an engine because before the old one burned up I replaced a lot of parts already on the car. I think smiles per gallon definitely outway miles per gallon with a car like this and having a back up car will make up for any difference.
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Shoot why not daily drive it my first daily driver was my 79 olds drove it no problems for a year and got 10mpg but the looks and everyone coming up to you is worth it
Exactly, what you get out of it outweighs all the negatives and since it's paid off the extra gas is just like a car payment I just wanted to here it from some real Oldsmobile enthusiasts thank you!
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I'm just finishing up my 67 D88 to be a daily driver. I really like the idea of a daily driver that is half a century old.

In my case, this car needed a lot, and I wanted it to be dead stone reliable, so I completely rebuilt every single part of the steering, suspension, brakes, and exhaust. I also dropped in a rebuilt 455 that I had because the 425 was tired and blowing oil smoke.

There are three problems with using a car like this as a daily driver.

1) Normal maintenance parts will not be on the shelf at the local parts store. In many cases you will need to order them on line and face a week or more delay while the part is shipped. In my case, I stockpile a lot of stuff (hey, when you have a dozen Oldmobiles, you need that stuff), but be advised that the car might be down for a week or more at a time due to parts availability.

2) Certain normal wear items are nearly impossible to get for this specific car. The upper ball joints, center link, idler arm, and brake drums are not readily available. Kanter sells some Chinesium parts that are close, but not exactly like original. Rare Parts does sell a US-made center link, but it is spendy. Be aware of this.

3) Body and trim parts are nonexistent. If the car is damaged in an accident, you will pretty much have to buy another parts car to fix it.

These are not intended to stop you from daily driving this car (and they don't stop me), but be aware of these issues and do this with your eyes open. Bottom like is that this can't be your only vehicle if you absolutely MUST be able to drive somewhere.
I also hope to have as many Oldsmobiles as you one day. A garage full of pristine Oldsmobiles that's my dream right there
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Is a 455 reliable as a daily driver in my 68 Delta 88?
Also was wondering about a 1965 Stardfire I saw up for sale with a 425. Are they basically the same or is one better in some way or overall?
68 Delta has dual master brake cylinder over the 65 Starfire, unless someone updated it.
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68 Delta has dual master brake cylinder over the 65 Starfire, unless someone updated it.
Mechanically, the 65-70 full size cars are pretty much the same. Same frame, same suspension, same brakes (at least for the standard drums), same drivetrain (BBO and TH400). Same steering linkage. There were a number of federally-madated safety items that weren't incorporated until the 1967 or 68 model years and thus are not on the 65 - collapsible steering column, dual circuit brake system, shoulder belts (1968-up), side marker lights (1968-up), park lights on with the headlights, etc. Of course the BBO was the 425 for 1965-67 and the 455 for 68-up. The 65-67 cars have the switch pitch converter in the trans, the 68-up do not. The 1965 cars have the 8.875" Pontiac rear axle. The 66-up BBO cars have the 9.3" Type O axle.
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Mechanically, the 65-70 full size cars are pretty much the same. Same frame, same suspension, same brakes (at least for the standard drums), same drivetrain (BBO and TH400). Same steering linkage. There were a number of federally-madated safety items that weren't incorporated until the 1967 or 68 model years and thus are not on the 65 - collapsible steering column, dual circuit brake system, shoulder belts (1968-up), side marker lights (1968-up), park lights on with the headlights, etc. Of course the BBO was the 425 for 1965-67 and the 455 for 68-up. The 65-67 cars have the switch pitch converter in the trans, the 68-up do not. The 1965 cars have the 8.875" Pontiac rear axle. The 66-up BBO cars have the 9.3" Type O axle.
Thanks for the information that's good to know because I want to change the gears maybe to 3.08 or something and get new axles but I don't know what would be good for my car that would have the right gear ratio overall drivability is there somme place I can get a complete rear end for these cars like that?
sorry for the loaded question
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Thanks for the information that's good to know because I want to change the gears maybe to 3.08 or something and get new axles but I don't know what would be good for my car that would have the right gear ratio overall drivability is there somme place I can get a complete rear end for these cars like that?
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Virtually no one sells parts for the 9.3" Type O axle in your car. Good used parts are few and very far between.
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. Or I might save it for another Oldsmobile in the future and buy a complete crate 455, are those worth any while? 😁

FWIW

1]No such animal as an Oldsmobile "crate engine"

2]Hope you get plenty of "Smiles per gallon" because a 455 can be hard on MPG
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No such animal as an Oldsmobile "crate engine"
^^^THIS!

Like "numbers matching" the term "crate engine" has become so misused as to be meaningless. The term was created to describe BRAND NEW engines from the OEMs delivered IN CRATES (get it?). These were originally service replacement motors available through the parts counter, but GM Performance Parts started selling brand new motors that were never installed in production vehicles, like the 383 SBC. Naturally the other manufacturers followed suit (347 small block Fords, for example). The key factor in these crate motors is that they are built from 100% new parts, including all new castings. Some aftermarket companies (like Dart, for example) now sell crate motors from their own brand new castings.

Any motor that uses old casting is just a rebuilt motor. I don't care if you get it from ATK Engines, Jasper, or Mondello, it's not a "crate motor", it's a rebuilt. Until the release of the Rocket Racing block recently, there were no brand new Oldsmobile castings to even let someone sell a crate motor. That may change now, but as of today there are no totally new Olds motors being made.

By the way, there are some who think a used block is preferred for a performance build, as the heat cycling from use effectively stress relieves the castings. In his drag racing days, Jack Roush used to take brand new blocks from Ford and bury the in the ground for a year before remachining all surfaces. Apparently this also stress relieved the block (or so he claimed).
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1]No such animal as an Oldsmobile "crate engine"

2]Hope you get plenty of "Smiles per gallon" because a 455 can be hard on MPG

Okay that would be awesome though but probably really expensive. I daily drive it for a while before and even on the old engine that had been sitting for years I didn't mind mpg too much and seemed to get better then I'd expect sometimes
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Virtually no one sells parts for the 9.3" Type O axle in your car. Good used parts are few and very far between.

Dang are there any other rear ends from other cars that can be swapped into mine or will it have to be custom?
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My $.02 - if the car isn't equipped think about some enhancements to bring it closer to today's standards for handling & stopping. If not already equipped, think about a rear sway bar, radial tires and power disc brakes.

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/a...model/delta-88
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My $.02 - if the car isn't equipped think about some enhancements to bring it closer to today's standards for handling & stopping. If not already equipped, think about a rear sway bar, radial tires and power disc brakes.

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/a...model/delta-88
Why? While I agree with the modern tires, it isn't clear the other things are necessary. In any case, I'm skeptical of that Scummit rear sway bar. The Chevy and D88 rear suspensions are completely different in 1968, so the fact that they claim it fits both screams "Danger Will Robinson". Of course the photo in the ad is marked " Image is a representation of this item. Actual item may vary."

I'd be amazed if they sell much of anything that fits a 65-70 Olds full size (other than the common engine and trans parts).
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My $.02 - if the car isn't equipped think about some enhancements to bring it closer to today's standards for handling & stopping. If not already equipped, think about a rear sway bar, radial tires and power disc brakes.

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/a...model/delta-88
i have updated the front sway bar, but not the rear and I still have all drum brakes and standard suspension for the car that I plan to update I was just wondering about the gears because I feel shorter gears would add some noticeable acceleration because the car is so heavy and I should have it gone through anyways
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