Timing chain???

Old May 27th, 2017, 07:11 PM
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Timing chain???

Is there a such thing of the timing chain being to tight
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Old May 27th, 2017, 07:21 PM
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Not under normal circumstances.

In at least one scenario, when a block is align honed the distance between the cam center line and crank center line changes or becomes shorter. In this case a custom timing chain is used to off set the machining. This is common in high performance builds, and many timing chain manufactures do offer shorter chains just for this.
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Old May 27th, 2017, 07:27 PM
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No, there is no such thing as being too tight.
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Old May 27th, 2017, 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Amarion58
Is there a such thing of the timing chain being to tight
Last year i have this scenario with CompCamp H.Energy Timing chain,no way to install it-
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Old May 28th, 2017, 04:58 AM
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Originally Posted by don71
Not under normal circumstances.

In at least one scenario, when a block is align honed the distance between the cam center line and crank center line changes or becomes shorter. In this case a custom timing chain is used to off set the machining. This is common in high performance builds, and many timing chain manufactures do offer shorter chains just for this.
Please explain to us how you would have a "shorter" chain. You still have to have the same number of links etc.
For the record there's no such thing as a "shorter" chain. The GEARS on a "shorter" chain set are slightly larger in diameter in order to take up any potential slack. It doesn't take much to make up the difference.
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If the set will go on then typically it'll be fine.

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Old May 28th, 2017, 06:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Tiha
Last year i have this scenario with CompCamp H.Energy Timing chain,no way to install it-
You need to slide both the cam and crank gears rearward simultaneously with the chain in place. If you put the crank gear on first, then install the chain, and THEN try to install the cam gear, a brand new chain may be too tight to allow that to go on easily. I can usually get it on by using the cam gear bolt to pull the gear into place over the pin, but it is often very tight. Be sure there are no burrs on the end of the pin or in the holes in the cam gear. Bottom line is that if you try to put one gear on first then the other, it WILL be very tight.
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Old May 28th, 2017, 05:18 PM
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I got the timing chain, cover and water pump back on even doe I got rtv everywhere but I hope it don't leak. A real mess lol

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Old May 28th, 2017, 05:42 PM
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Holy mother of god that's a lot of RTV.
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Old May 28th, 2017, 06:04 PM
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Yea i know. That timing cover ain't nothing nice to put back on and the rtv kept drying before I could get it back on
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Old May 28th, 2017, 06:56 PM
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You did install and align gears as per the instructions?
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Old May 29th, 2017, 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by joe_padavano
You need to slide both the cam and crank gears rearward simultaneously with the chain in place. If you put the crank gear on first, then install the chain, and THEN try to install the cam gear, a brand new chain may be too tight to allow that to go on easily. I can usually get it on by using the cam gear bolt to pull the gear into place over the pin, but it is often very tight. Be sure there are no burrs on the end of the pin or in the holes in the cam gear. Bottom line is that if you try to put one gear on first then the other, it WILL be very tight.
you can belive me, No way to install this T.Chain…this way the moment I know .. never ever!
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Old May 29th, 2017, 10:27 AM
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Old June 3rd, 2017, 01:48 PM
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Oil leak at the bottom of the timing cover. I have to break it back down
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Old June 3rd, 2017, 02:49 PM
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You have to loosen the bolts on the oil pan and drop it down. Install front cover and then install oil pan. The oil pan does not have to come out just drop down so the lower seal on the front cover does not catch on the oil pan. Be careful using to much sealant. It can get in your engine and possibly stop something up. Just make sure gasket surfaces are clean and spread a thin layer of sealant on. I wipe down the gasket surfaces with alcohol till the rag is clean. Keep at it you'll get it.

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I'm tired but I redid it and no leaks but now it got a ticking noise. I heard that it could be from the new fuel pump on I put on. Its coming from the front area. But it running perfect now except for this ticking.
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Old June 4th, 2017, 05:55 AM
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i know you hate that part. Get it all back together then having to redo something...or worse buy a new part. Stick with it, It'll be fine
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Old June 6th, 2017, 03:46 PM
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Exhaust

The car is running perfect now except this awful exhaust leak from a rust spot right behind the catalytic converter. Could I just cut the converter off without causing any problem from the emission system such as the o2 sensor, smog, etc.
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Some states still require cars that came with cats to have them.
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Old June 6th, 2017, 04:04 PM
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Well look like I'm spending this 250 for a new one because at the back of the car it sounds horrible until you come back under the hood. I barely can tell its running when I driving it done quiet down so much since I put a new timing set on it.
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Old June 6th, 2017, 04:19 PM
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Is the hole in the cat or the exhaust pipe? Bring the car to a local exhaust/muffler shop and see what they say.
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Old June 6th, 2017, 04:26 PM
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Were the back on the cat bolts to the rest of the pipe
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Old June 7th, 2017, 03:49 PM
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Can someone tell me the name of this part
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Old June 7th, 2017, 04:04 PM
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Its an idle stop, supposed to come on with the A/C.
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