Racing engine build thread

Old July 21st, 2015, 10:04 AM
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Racing engine build thread

Post your purpose built SBO/BBO only racing engine build specs here. Builds in this thread are race engines only, street builds will be moved to their respective forum.
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Old July 21st, 2015, 11:27 AM
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SHORT BLOCK:
461 CID
Icon pistons 14.4cc dish .005 below deck
Total Seal file fit 1/16-1/16-3/16 rings
Eagle 6.735 rods
N crank turned 10/10
stock caps w/straps and ARP studs
BHJ damper
Mondello SFI flexplate
Engle JM 3-4 hyd. cam .522/.542 lift 230/238 @.050 110 LSA in at 106 ICL
Cometic .040 head gaskets
10.2:1 measured compression


HEADS:
A castings 78cc chambers
2.07 intakes 1.71 exhaust
"bracket" ported by Mondello back in the mid 90's
new valves, guides and valve job by Smitty at M&J Proformance
H&S 1.6:1 Ford style rockers
120lbs. seat pressure

INDUCTION:
Edelbrock Torker port matched to heads, stock plenum
Holley 850 double pumper model #4781 78/86 jets no secondary PV
K&N 14"x3" drop base air cleaner

EXHAUST:
ARH/M&J Proformance 1-7/8"x3" stainless headers
Torque Tech 3" dual exhaust all the way out the back
Dynomax Super Turbo mufflers (I like it quiet)

IGNITION:
Mallory Unilite distributor
22 initial @1100RPM 35 total @2200RPM
adjustable vacuum advance
MSD 6AL

CAR:
'65 4-4-2
3800lbs. w/driver and 1/2 tank of gas how I race it.
TH400 trans
Ultimate Converter Concepts 10" 3200 stall converter
Chevy 12 bolt w/3.73 gears
Moog 6204 springs with Competition Engineering shocks up front
UMI adj. rear suspension w/poly bushings, stock springs, stock sway bar
Air bags
M.T. 275/60-15 drag radials


BEST TO DATE:
1/4=11.60 @116
60ft.=1.60
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Short block
461 cid
Ross pistons .01 below deck
stock 455 rods
N crank 10/10
stock caps
stock flexplate
bullet cam 496 max lift will look for cam card
felpro blue head gasket
Heads
E Cast Iron
new valves
mild port gasket clean up
heat risers filled
H&S roller rockers
Induction
Ebrock Performer
lowered plenum divider
Street Demon 750 double pumper carb
Exhaust
2"x3 1/2 Hooker headers around the frame
Race dumps Dynomax turbomufflers
3"pipes to rear end turn downs
Ignition
MSD dist
6 al MSD box
MSD blaster coil
Car
1970 442
3750 lbs W/driver
turbo 400 tran stock
3600 stall converter
chevy 12 bolt W/390 gears posi
comp eng threeway adj shocks 90/10
trick springs in the front
boxed lower control arms, sway bar, stock rear springs
M/T 29x10.5x15 slicks
Best to date
1/4 =12.50 @108 mph street/race car with lots of time slips. Car is still active with new combo built last fall not track tested yet.
Picture is in my album. Click on complete album to view.

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70 442 3775lbs with me in it.455+.060 arias flat top's, strap's and stud's thru out, edelbrock's [old style] out of the box spring's to match cam. jm 44 solid engle cam, port o sonic 950 black diamond q fuel stock , 2" header's,3 inch x pipe exhaust walker ultra flow muffler's, turbo 400 manual valve body 10'' winter's converter, 12 bolt with 4.33 29.5x10.5 slick's. Car went a best of 11.21 at 119.98 1.54 60ft in humid hot air. [hoping for 10's in the cool air]
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Short block
468 cid
Keith Black hypereutectic pistons pontiac valve reliefs.
425 7" rods
N crank 10/10
stock caps
professional products balancer
sfi flexplate
Lunati cam 569 max lift flat tappet
E brock head gaskets
Heads
E brock heads mild port gasket clean up
H&S 1-6 roller rockers rockers
Induction
E brock torker intake
Mighty Demon 850 double pumper carb
Exhaust
1 3/4 hooker headers
Ignition
MSD dist
MSD 6 AL box
MSD blaster coil
Car
1967 CS full cage with double swing out bars
3440 W/driver
turbo 400 tran
2800 stall converter brand unknown
chevy 12 bolt 373 full spool
boxed upper and lower control arms
Stock springs 90/10 shocks front sway bar
air bags right at 10 lbs
M/T 29x10.5 x15 slicks
Best to date 1/4 11.20 @ 120 mph Topeka Kans car still active. Has new combo for this year. Pic are in my album.
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Old July 21st, 2015, 07:57 PM
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RR / Wenzler Headed 468

Home Ported RR/Wenzler Heads and Intake [67cc chambers] with PAC 1220X Beehive Springs, HS 5017 Rockers, 4.185" Bore Icon 886 Pistons [11.59cr] 0-decked, Custom Ring Pack [BTR], Cat Rods, 4.250" Stoke N-Crank [Nitrited and Omicron Polished], Coated Bearings, DMR Billet Caps / 5-Main Halo, ARP Hardware throughout, BTR Clearances [wide], HR Cam from Andy .590"Int x .580"Exh / 242deg at .050Int x 256deg at .050Exh, Bullet / Morel HR Lifters, Smith Bros 3/8 Pushrods, 950hp Pro Systems Carb, Custom 2" x 3 1/2" headers, Full 3"Pipes Exhaust System, RR 8.5" deep Oil Pan and 7/8" pick-up, Schuman's modified Melling's HV Oil Pump, Coan 10" Converter, Turbo 400 [manual VB], 3.73 12 Bolt Ch*** rear end. Car is a bit of an underachiever, but I've only been on the track twice, so I'm working on it. Going to Norwalk this weekend to try out a 1/4 mile run.
Car Weighs about 3850lbs with me
Best Run so far:
1/8 Mile 7.34et at 96.6mph with a 1.69 60ft
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Short Block
461 CI
Stock N crank with ARP studs/ straps
Stock rods notched/ pollished side beams, Nitrided, ARP fasteners
TRW 2323 forged pistons 583 grams w/ rings
West Coast Innovators viscous dampr
Mondello SFI innertia flexplate
Balanced rotating assembly 2342 grams bob weight
JM25-28 cam
Heads are "C" casting street/ strip port filled heat risers, welded dividers
HS 1.6:1 full roller rockers/ Jomar Girdle
Victor 4500 intake match ported with a bit of plenum work
Carb Holley 1050 Dominator
Headers have 2 1/8" primary tubes with 4" Dynomax collectors (home made)
BTR crank trigger/ original to car distributor (gutted/ pollished)
MSD Digital 7 ignition box
BG 400 fuel pump
Turbo 400 trans with reverse manual valve body/ brake
Fab 9" rear end with 433 gear/ 14x32-15 tire
Car:
Full Mild Steel tube chassis car built by Alston's Race Cars
All steel body except hood, deck lid, & bumpers 2950 lb with driver
Car went 11.53 @ 115 MPH, 1.572 60 Ft first time out
Best to date: 10.83 @ 123.55 MPH with 1.524 60 Ft spun a little.

Alstons built the chassis I put the rest together myself... took half my life
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Old July 22nd, 2015, 11:32 AM
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524 bbo & 470 sbo

If you have questions feel free to call Wayne Joss @ Joss Engines in Lethbridge AB 403-320-7272. Wayne has built Olds engines for other forum members & Olds racers in Alberta & he is happy to discuss the builds with you.


My engines are not the biggest, not the strongest, not the fastest. They simply are pump gas friendly big displacement engines.


Both engines run 11.2:1 compression with victor intakes and Wayne Joss ported Edelbrock heads. The 524 has a 1050 dominator with a solid lifter cam. The 470 has an 850 AED carb & uses a flat tappet cam. Both engines would make more power with more compression & roller cams but I enjoy using 94 octane pump gas.

The 524 is actually 523.7 cid & measures 4.280" x 4.550". The crank is a factory steel 455 in an irrigation block (Note not all 455 blocks are suited to this over bore; please sonic check your block prior to trying this).

It made 662hp @ 4900 & 704 TQ @ 4875 on the engine dyno when new.


The 470 is actually 469.4 cid & measures 4.168" x 4.300". The crank is a factory steel 425 in a diesel D block.

It made 555hp @ 5450 and 552TQ @ 5100 to the ground on the chassis dyno.


Some will be surprised by the long stroke of 4.30" in the 470 small block. If you need details on how to make that work talk to Wayne.


Best Performance from these engines is


1972 442 524cid BBO 10.89 @ 122.5mph @ 3800' with a 1.47 60' 3600 lbs car & driver 30" slick

1987 442 470cid SBO 11.37 @ 119.4mph @ 5350' with a 1.60 60' 3975 lbs car & driver 26"drag radial. The car has gone 11.33 but at a much slower 116.4 mph on a 27" drag radial. Best 60' ever was a 1.52.


Both cars run T400 transmissions. 4200 stall in the 72 race car & a 3500 stall in the street 87 442.


If I had to choose between the two engines I would build the SBO. I have plans for a 500 cid version of my existing engine that will absolutely rock. Stay tuned.

I hope some of you find this information useful.


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My car isn't much but it runs good
Motor is a 455 built by Danny Lattimore-I don't know what is in it
850 Carb and Victor manifold
out of the box Edelbrocks
2in Hooker headers
MSD ignition w/crank trigger
ATI damper
ATI 9in converter
ATI T 400 w/trans brake
custom drive shaft
9in Ford rear end
Aluminum center section w/4.44 lightened gears
31X14 Hoosiers DO-5 compound 13lbs + or - of air

65 A body back halved
its hot here but last run was
60---1.350
330---4.0939
660---6.458
103.47 mph
Never ran 1/4 but has been as fast as 6.35

I bought this car from Jeff Smith in Iowa several years ago

I'll see if I can find out the engine particulars.

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Old July 22nd, 2015, 10:04 PM
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Bill Travato Performance Built
10.7:1
469 ci
93 octane
I drive this every where I can.

455 Block
425 Crank
4.185 Bore
4.254 stroke
7.1 Chevy H-beam rods
CP custom Pistons
RRP/Wenzler heads 2.15 intakes, 1.68 exhaust
1.7 Harland sharps
Roller cam 254/260- .575/.580 (108*)

TH400 w/Ultimate 3400 converter
Ford 9" 3.91
325R 15 Drag Radial
3689lbs

6.898
99.3mph
1.51 60ft

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Originally Posted by 67 Cutlass Freak View Post
Short Block
461 CI
Stock N crank with ARP studs/ straps
Stock rods notched/ pollished side beams, Nitrided, ARP fasteners
TRW 2323 forged pistons 583 grams w/ rings
West Coast Innovators viscous dampr
Mondello SFI innertia flexplate
Balanced rotating assembly 2342 grams bob weight
JM25-28 cam
Heads are "C" casting street/ strip port filled heat risers, welded dividers
HS 1.6:1 full roller rockers/ Jomar Girdle
Victor 4500 intake match ported with a bit of plenum work
Carb Holley 1050 Dominator
Headers have 2 1/8" primary tubes with 4" Dynomax collectors (home made)
BTR crank trigger/ original to car distributor (gutted/ pollished)
MSD Digital 7 ignition box
BG 400 fuel pump
Turbo 400 trans with reverse manual valve body/ brake
Fab 9" rear end with 433 gear/ 14x32-15 tire
Car:
Full Mild Steel tube chassis car built by Alston's Race Cars
All steel body except hood, deck lid, & bumpers 2950 lb with driver
Car went 11.53 @ 115 MPH, 1.572 60 Ft first time out

Alstons built the chassis I put the rest together myself... took half my life

Very nice!~
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Is this all we can get? Maybe everyone is at Norwalk
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This is my Personal build. It is pump gas but a little on the hot side for a "street" application.

463" SBO

403 Block - 4.375 bore, pistons .003 in the hole, square decked to 9.310, polished lifter valley, oil restrictors in lifter bores, lifter valley drains plugged except for front and rear (had to drill the rear), filled to 1.5" below deck
330 Crank - Stroked to 3.850, Lightened, Honda rod, IPN, 56lbs (stock was 64lbs)
RIF RAF's "THE CAGE" - set up for dry sump
Carrillo rods - Out of a Hendrick car, 6", Honda big end, .866 small end, 3/8" CARR bolts
Custom Wiseco pistons - all the extra features…in their words, a pro stock piston less the full billet, turbo pin
Total Seal rings - Tool steel top, AP second, std tension oil, .043/.043/3.0mm
ACL Bearings - .0032 main clearance/.0021 rod clearance
Innovators West harmonic balancer - BBC balancer on an Olds hub, internal balance
LSC/JMRE billet flexplate - internal balance
ARP fasteners - on everything
Cloyes timing set
JMRE thrust button
Comp Cams custom grind - Lift .776/.763, 285/296 @ .050, 112 lobe sep, 114 ICL, lashed at .018/.020
Comp Cams solid roller lifters
Manley pushrods - 3/8 .120 wall
Lunati voodoo roller rockers - 1.6 ratio, minor clearance cut for the lift was needed
Edelbrock cylinder head castings, CNC ported with RIF RAF's "OUTLAW" port package, custom chambers, 11.3:1 compression
Edelbrock guide plates
Manley rocker studs
Manley valves - stainless steel
PAC springs - dual coil
PAC Ti retainers
PAC locks
PAC spring seats
Cometic MLS head gaskets - .040 thick 4.400 bore
Edelbrock Victor intake - SBO, 3/4" spacers welded to flanges, lowered base plate, extended plenum - to help equalize runner length and add volume, converted to 4500 flange, ported
Cooling system - 4 corner on intake, custom set up for getting water to the exh side of block, fill drilled for connectivity between cylinders
MSD Ignition - Pro Billet Distributor, wires, 6A, Blaster 2 coil, 35 degrees of total timing
Stock timing cover - modified w/seal lip removed and 4 bolt holes drill for attaching to THE CAGE where lip seal used to be
Pro Fab SB2 Headers - Off a Hendrick car, modified to fit Olds flange, stepped, 1-7/8 primaries, 3-1/2" collector
Remflex exhaust gaskets
GM Perf. Prod. valve covers
Moroso dry sump pump - 4 stage (old sprint car design)
Moroso dry sump tank
Moroso remote oil filter mount
EARL's fittings and hose - dry sump lines & coolant lines, swivel seal style with Pro-lite 350 hose
Jones Racing Products - front drive system
JMRE/RIF RAF's brackets for front drive system
Stock high volume mechanical water pump
Holley carb - Gen 3 Dominator 1050, jetted 86/91
Rhere-Morrison anti-reversion kit
Torco oil - TBO 40w
Wix oil filter
NGK spark plugs - V power racing plug, .035 gap
55lbs of oil pressure cold. HOT idle 35, HOT full throttle pull 55-60lbs
Idle set at 1200rpm for dyno/cold start, It would idle as low as 750 when hot.
Countless hours in the fabrication, design, picking of parts.

691.9HP and 595Ftlbs
RPMs to 7500+

See More and Pics at http://www.mondello.com/page8.php

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EFI 474 stroker

Olds 455 block: Line bore with new Program Caps and ARP Studs. CNC Bored, Square Decked, and Torque Plate Honed.
Factory Forged 455 Crank: Stroked to 4.375 w/BBC Journal, Knife Edged, Pendelum Cut, Cryo'd and Omicron Polished
Oliver 7" Rods: Cryo'd and Omicron Polished
Balanced Rotating Assembly
Clevite H .010 Main Bearings
King XP Std Rod Bearings
King Cam Bearings
PEP SFI Flexplate
Professional Products SFI Balancer
Diamond Pistons: Custom for 11.5:1 Compression w/77cc head, Techline top and skirt Coatings
Total Seal Rings: (.043 .043 3.0mm) Tool Steel Top ring, Napier Second ring, Std Tension Oil ring
RIF RAF's "Outlaw" CNC Package Edelbrock heads
Edelbrock Victor Intake converted to EFI, Thermal Release Coating and port matched to heads/spacer plates
Custom Valley cover
JMRE DIS Oil Pump Drive w/Bronze Gear
Custom hold down for Oil Pump Drive
ARP Pro-Series Head Bolts
ARP Balancer Bolt
ARP Flexplate Bolts
JMRE/ARP Accessory Bolt Kit
Lunati Hyd Roller Cam
Harland Sharp 1.7 ratio Rocker Arms
Manley Pushrods 3/8 dia
Comp Cams Hyd Roller Lifters
Mr. Gasket MLS Head Gaskets
Milodon 7 QT Oil Pan and pickup
Milodon Oil Pump Shaft
Milodon Water Pump
Polished Olds Timing Cover
Holley DIS Igintion system
Holley Crank Trigger for DIS
Holley HP EFI System
Jones Drive Systems w/Alternator and Power Steering Pump also running the water pump
JMRE Custom Brackets for the Alternator and Power Steering Pump
4 Corner Cooling with EARL's AutoFit Fittings and Prolite 350 hose
Modified SB2 headers with 1-7/8 to 2" step primaries and Tri-Y design (worth 13HP over Kooks 2" chassis headers)

635.8HP and 672.9Ftlbs

See more and Pics at http://www.mondello.com/page37.php
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Rocket Racing built "385"

I am running Rocket racing heads.
Harland Sharp roller rockers 1.6 ratio. 2.150 X 5.030 int valve, and a 1.68 X 5.030 exh. valve. 59 CC chambers.
Rocket Racing rocker girdle.
"D" Block completely preped by Rocket Racing.
Four bolt main caps. Main bearing spacers for 2.5" mains.
Hard Blok fill to the water pump holes.
Lifter bore restrictors.
Wiseco custom pistons (gas ported for low tension rings) 4.185" bore, 6 cc piston dome. Cometic head gasket MLS 4.200 .040thick (14:1 compression)
I am running a 330 crank offset ground to 3.5 stroke.
Eagle "ESP" 6.125 long H-beam rods. 2.00" big end. (385 cu. in.)
The cam is a Lunati solid roller .683" int lift, .683 exh lift. Duration @ .050 is 267* int. 275* exh.
I run a Rocket Racing intake, port matched, and a 1" "Super Sucker" spacer.
My carb. is a Holley 1000 HP. that I sent to Pro-Systems, and Milan.
I run a Canton 6 qt. oil pan with a Rocket Racing, fabricated windage tray, and crank scraper.
I run a Star Machine vacuum pump system set at 10 in. hg @7000rpm.
TH/400 trans with an ATI converter (approx) stall 5-5200 rpm with a Griner (Pro-Start) transbrake...
Rear tire is Hoosier radial slick (#18211) 9.0/30.0R-15
The car at race weight with me in it is right around 3445 lb.
Best to date:
ET: 10.008
MPH: 131.82
60': 1.365

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Hey Rallye Bob can you insert a picture of that fine car of yours in your thread?Neeley

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I don't know how to make the pictures smaller?
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Bob's car is badass! It looks every bit as good in person as it does in pics. Actually it looks better.
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Thanks you Bob that is what i wanted everyone to see that you cleaned your oil pan.
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455 block. Hard blocked aluminum 4 bolt main caps 4.25 bore
425 crank 4.125 stroke 7" aluminum rods
Venolia pistons .25 dome final compression 13-1
Solid roller cam 278/[email protected] 318/328 advertised duration ground 106 installed 104
.760/.720 lift
Batten stage 1 heads 2.19/1.71 valves flowed 325/230
Home made step header (way less than ideal) 2-2.125-2.25 into 4" collector. 4" flowmaster race muffler
Out of box batten Victor intake. Barry Grant 1050 dominator flow 1120

Turbo 400 transmission. 8" ATI convertor 4500 stall with a trans brake
Back halved 1980 cutlass. 4 link suspension. 9" rear 4.30 gears. 32x14.5 slicks
Stock front suspension with moroso trick springs and 90-10 shocks
3350# with driver best pass [email protected] 1.40 sixty foot
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1. 4.185 x 4.200 , Billet crank , R&R aluminum rods , Diamond pistons , Jeff Smith girdle.
2. Bullet cam 269 - 275 lsa 112 in @ 110 .730 intake .712 exhaust.
titanium 2.20 intake valves 1.71 Ferrea exhaust. flow 339 intake 240 exhaust.
3. Custom John Marcella intake , 2 circuit custom 1250 Dominator
4. best time 9.35 et - 141.98 mph 1.26 60 ft
5. Stock type suspension , foot brake , no wheelie bars , 9 inch tire.

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1975 Cutlass Donutrun Engine

From what I can remember when I built the engine in Donutrun (that was almost 10 years ago) here are the specs.
1968 Olds 455 bored .030 over, TRW forged pistons, stock rods, ARP bolt kit, Oil restrictors, Toronado 6 qt pan, Milodon gear drive, Olds “big valve” C heads, Comp cams Xtreme Energy™ Hydraulic Flat Tappet Camshaft (284int 296exh duration), Comp Cams roller rockers, Edelbrock RPM Performer Intake, 850 Q-Jet modified by owner, Flowmaster 40 series mufflers. Olds 461 has around a 10.7:1 compression ratio and runs on 100 Sunoco.

TH-400 Trans with shift kit and heavy duty sprague, TCI streetfighter 3300 stall TC, B&M ratchet shifter, Hurst line lock.
GM 10 bolt posi with Moser axles, Richmond 4.10 gears, Driveshaft loop, Mickey Thompson ET Street P275 60R15, 8 gallon fuel cell filled with 100 octane Sunoco, Carter electric fuel pump.

This setup is in a 1975 Cutlass 4dr. Weight is 3490 without driver. Best 1/4 mile ET is 12.70 @ 105.3 mph. 60 ft times 1.77 sec
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BTR 506 Stroker 13:1
Bryant billet crank 4.600 stroke
BTR main girdle
GRP connecting rods
C.P. pistons -12 c.c
Bore: 4.180, deck 10.600
˝” head bolts
ATI balancer and flexplate
Cometic head gaskets
Melling H.V. oil pump
Edelbrock victor intake
Comp Cams solid roller
T&D shaft rockers
MSD pro billet distributor and crank trigger
BTR Edelbrock heads
CFM dominator carb
CSR water pump
2” primary headers
Turbo 400 tranny with manual valve body built by Hutch
4500 stall converter built by Competition Transmission
9.3 Olds diff. with 4.56 gears, 35 spline axles and spool
10.5 inch slicks
1/8 mile 6.35 at 108 mph with a 1.40 60ft.
Car is a 62 Starfire with a 2x3 mild steel frame and chrome moly cage (Suncoast). Ladder bar with Strange Engineering double adjustable coil overs front and back. Mustang II front suspension and steering rack. Race weight 3600lbs.
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355 Olds in my 72 cutlass

10 to 1 compression speed pro flat tops
lunati voodoo cam 522/539 lift 233/241 duration @ .050 lift
Prw roller tip rocker (7) and one comp cams roller tip rocker
Pro gear timing chain
#6 heads done by rocket racing just bowl work 2.07 in. 1.63 ex.
full length headers ,x pipe
34 degrees of timing on 93 octane
edelbrock performer rpm intake
holley 3310 750 cfm carb box stock
proform hei dist

Engine built by me


backed by a th350 Built by me and 3.73 gears out back

Best time so far 12.91 @ 103 W/ a 1.86 60 ft. with minimal tuning No carb tweaks , what so ever.

*update* went 12.80 @ 104.63mph with a 1.82 60ft. time.

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Twin J Racing's 461

My motor is nothing to crazy.


The short Block the normal work done to block .030 over line hone pistons .010 down in the hole ARP main studs, and rod bolts and line hone. A stock crank, stock rods, Sealed Power L2323F30, BHJ harmonic balancer. and a WJ the wheel all balanced up. Running a Lunati solid roller cam #51805 lift at valve .563 duration at .050 244 avertised duration 304 lobe separation 110, and a Hex adjust Roller timming chain. Melling HV oil pump Bilet oil pump shaft, Moroso oil pan and A custom two peace timming cover.


First set of heads J (I know now Junk) fully ported and cleaned up with Mildon valves cut down .060 I think comp cams full roller rockers 1.6 with these heads and the felpro head gaskets I get 10.1.


Second Set of heads Edelbrock new style cleaned up porting good valve job cut down .080 same rockers cometic .027 head gaskets gets me 11.1


Torker intake on both set up with speed demon 850 msd Digital 6-Plus box with msd distribtor, hvc coil, and Taylor wires E3 plugs on both.


the Heavy car.
75 Lemans 3825# with me. Ultimate Converter TH350 w/manual valve body 373 gear 29.5X10.5X15 slicks


Iron heads Low 11.90 high 11.80


Edelbrock heads low 11.60 high 11.50 best of 11.48


Now as some of you know I've had a few problems with my short block so Ive changed it to a fresh one. The same thing only hasn't been abused for 11 plus years fresh everything (fresh used parts). the only things different are the oil pan Milodon and ATI flexplate. Some day Im making a coffee table out of my old one.


Thats about it have a new motor in the works but thats top secrect for now.


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Thanks for posting your combo.How about a picture of your Pontiac with your olds engine in it?Neeley
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No problem sorry i took so long i will picture soon
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SHORT BLOCK:
461 CID
Ross "Ultra Lite" Pistons
Eagle Rods
"N" crank
Stock caps w/straps, ARP Studs
Fluidampr Harmonic Balancer
Stock Flexplate
Comp Cams Solid Roller Cam #42-000-8. I=0.600, E=0.585. Duration at 0.050”: I=252, E=262, 108 degree lobe separation.
Comp Cams Roller Lifters
Felpro Head Gaskets
ARP Studs used everywhere
Milodon “Cheater" Gear Drive
10.5:1 measured compression

HEADS:
Edelbrock, Series 1
Ported by Angelluci's Performance in Macomb Twp, MI
Harland Sharp #S5003 Roller Rockers
3/8” Pushrods
Jomar Stud Girdle

INDUCTION:
Edelbrock Torker port matched to heads, stock plenum
Holley 950 Ultra HP Carb (4150)
Jomar 1" Carb Spacer
Drop base air cleaner
Ram Air Intake system

EXHAUST:
Dynomax 1-3/4" x 3” Headers, ceramic coated
Torque Tubes 3", 20" long

IGNITION:
MSD Distributor
MSD 6AL Ignition
MSD Blaster II Coil

TRANS:
TH-400 transmission
Coan 10" 3500 stall converter
HD Sprag and B&M TransPak
Cast drop pan with cooling ribs

REAR:
Corporate 10 bolt w/4:11 gears
Moroso "Brute Strength" Posi
Moser Axles
Jegs Cover with main bearing cap support
Coming in 2015: C-clip eliminators
Coming in 2015: Tubes welded

SUSPENSION:
Stock springs (frt/rr)
Front sway bar removed
Metco billet lower control arms
Hotchkis 1.5” rear sway bar
Air bags (dual)

TIRES/WHEELS:
Weld Racing Pro Star Wheels
BFG 275/60-15 drag radials

CAR:
'87 Custom Cruiser Wagon
3925 lbs. w/driver and 5 gal of gas in race trim

BEST TO DATE:
1/4 = 11.70 @ 112.6 mph (July 2015 at Norwalk)
60' = 1.57 seconds
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Originally Posted by oldsmike1972 View Post
SHORT BLOCK:
461 CID
Ross "Ultra Lite" Pistons
Eagle Rods
"N" crank
Stock caps w/straps, ARP Studs
Fluidampr Harminic Balancer
Stock Flexplate
Comp Cams Solid Roller Cam #42-000-8. I=0.600, E=0.585. Duration at 0.050”: I=252, E=262, 108 degree lobe separation.
Comp Cams Roller Lifters
Felpro Head Gaskets
ARP Studs used everywhere
Milodon “Cheater" Gear Drive
10.5:1 measured compression

HEADS:
Edelbrock, Series 1
Ported by Angelluci's Performance in Macomb Twp, MI
Harland Sharp #S5003 Roller Rockers
3/8” Pushrods
Jomar Stud Girdle

INDUCTION:
Edelbrock Torker port matched to heads, stock plenum
Holley 950 Ultra HP Carb (4150)
Jomar 1" Carb Spacer
Drop base air cleaner
Ram Air Intake system

EXHAUST:
Dynomax 1-3/4" x 3” Headers, ceramic coated
Torque Tubes 3", 20" long

IGNITION:
MSD Distributor
MSD 6AL Ignition
MSD Blaster II Coil

TRANS:
TH-400 transmission
Coan 10" 3500 stall converter
HD Sprag and B&M TransPak
Cast drop pan with cooling ribs

REAR:
Corporate 10 bolt w/4:11 gears
Moroso "Brute Strength" Posi
Moser Axles
Jegs Cover with main bearing cap support
Coming in 2015: C-clip eliminators
Coming in 2015: Tubes welded

SUSPENSION:
Stock springs (frt/rr)
Front sway bar removed
Metco billet lower control arms
Hotchkis 1.5” rear sway bar
Air bags (dual)

TIRES/WHEELS:
Weld Racing Pro Star Wheels
BFG 275/60-15 drag radials

CAR:
'87 Custom Cruiser Wagon
3925 lbs. w/driver and 5 gal of gas in race trim

BEST TO DATE:
1/4 = 11.70 @ 112.6 mph (July 2015 at Norwalk)
60' = 1.57 seconds
That is one bad *** car. I likely wagons are cool
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Love the 75 lemans and the wagon is bad *** aswell.

Here is my junk

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I remember seeing your Lemans at Norwalk this year JJ. I got a kick out of the "Overweight" sticker in the rear window.
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Love the 75 lemans and the wagon is bad *** aswell.

Here is my junk

The Lemans had definitely grown on me but i cant wait to get my cutlass back together. You going to the Byron race? I'm thinking about it not sure yet.


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I remember seeing your Lemans at Norwalk this year JJ. I got a kick out of the "Overweight" sticker in the rear window.

It all ready had the name when I got it so i left it since it fit. Yeah norwalk was fun i always enjoy it.
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I like the pictures of the Pontiac,wagon,and coppers car in racing action.I still am trying to get pictures loaded but no luck.Getting pictures to my album was difficult for me but this is a new can of worms.I think i am to old to understand all this technology stuff.I hope more guys start posting pictures combos and up date their et as they improve.Many thanks guys for your pictures and taking the time to post your combos.
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JJ we will be at byron. Saturday they have the hunert heads up or some event so I'm not sure about time runs but we are camping out Saturday night. I don't know if you have been to byron but its about an hour directly west of my place. First time in 3 years racing the bop event.
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Never been there try every year but something always comes up. I will be just heading up Sunday mouring. (Have plans Saturday). That's my plans as of now. save me a spot. I was on the web sight it said gates at 8 am on page then 9 am on another. Its about 3 hour drive missing the toll roads
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avoid I-90 its torn up from chicago to elgin. You should probably let folks know on rop to avoid i-90. at night its down to one lane for night work. traffic jams occur on a sunday morning sometimes lol. IM not on ROP but pass that info allong. I88 is a better alternative . Or rt 20 to rt72 ehich is the away i take. dave "Cutlassfreak" and i are camping out so we will set some spots aside.
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avoid I-90 its torn up from chicago to elgin. You should probably let folks know on rop to avoid i-90. at night its down to one lane for night work. traffic jams occur on a sunday morning sometimes lol. IM not on ROP but pass that info allong. I88 is a better alternative . Or rt 20 to rt72 ehich is the away i take. dave "Cutlassfreak" and i are camping out so we will set some spots aside.
Thanks for the info. I'm thinking i290 to i88
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Pump Gas 468- 10.8:1

Neeley asked me to post this. It is a street/ strip car, and the engine build is pretty hardcore as Olds go. Move the entry if you want, that's why I don't post here.
Big thanks to Frank at TR Performance in Beltsville, MD. They're a new shop, and I got the 1st piece out. Frank is a great guy, a professional machinist, and has been building serious Olds engines most of his life.
Rewind to January of this year. I had had enough of my car sitting broken in the garage. It's a father/son project that I wanted to get back on the road before the old man kicks the bucket, so I could get a picture of the car with 3 generations (me, my dad, and my daughter). I approached Frank with my goal of a pump gas 468. I had a block, stick crank, 1st gen E-brock heads, an old Torker, a 750 Demon, and all the tin-work. That's when he started. "Well, let's see what I've got around here" and "How do you feel about aluminum rods?" I knew things were about to get serious. He pulled a crank out from under the bench, and some rods off the shelf. "we could.....", and here's what I got:
F block shot peened, punched .060 over, align honed/bored, 4.185
425 steel crank, 4.25" stroke offset ground to Chevy pin, internally balanced
BME 7.2" forged aluminum rods, Chevy big end, .990 little
CP Bullet pistons, BO-8070, 1.25" compression height, .990 floating pin, low tension rings
J&S 5 main Halo (I know, I know)
.060 Cometic MLS head gaskets
1st gen E-brock heads cut to 69.4cc, 5 angle valve job, stock valves and springs
BTR cam, .491/.510 236/242 110 LSA
Erson/Morel hyd. roller lifters
Purple Modildo roller rockers
9.3" pushrods
Moroso deep pan
Melling HV pump (60 psi cold, haven't had it warm yet)
the old Torker
HEI gutted to work with MSD
Speed Demon 750, mech. secondaries
ATI neutral balance 7" damper
American Powertrain custom neutral balance flywheel
10.8:1 compression
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Frank Trimble at TR Performance (overall build, crank,rods, and front plate)
Bill Travato at BTR Performance (pistons, cam, head gaskets, timing pointer)
Mark Remmel (lifters)
Jim at J&S Machine (halo girdle)
Todd at Guy Mancini's Machine (head work)
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Fleming the nut don't fall far from the tree---Frankie's Father got him started in the right direction when he was in diapers......I have known the whole family most of my (their) life and you will never find any better people. Everything they ever had was always done perfect and never a corner cut........I would have never bought my first 66 Olds 442 new if it had not been for the influence of Frankie's father. These are good people.
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Completely hand built 1957 371 J2 Olds..... Not one piece of this engine came from GM other than the valve covers in first shot..... They have since been changed to a CNC'd replica in billet alum

6.90's 197 mph
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