GAOldsman

Come on down one way or the other Feel free to help get the word out. This track is NHRA approved and sanctioned also is co-sponsored by David Ragan of NASCAR. Mr. Ed Swearingen is nice enough to let us hold this event every year and it is always well prepped and manned. Most any flavor race gas is available and on site

Tech is fairly lax for our event but must have the basics such as seat belts, battery hold down provisions, etc. Unless you go quicker than 12.99 then you should know what you need

GAOldsman

Anyone recognize this '68?

380 Racer

Here is the flyer for the first race in Byron after Mondello bailed. We worked for a year to get it all set up, put a bunch of time and money into it. Had some very nice payouts. Also found some true colors of some venders. We at least showed just how much we loved our Oldsmobiles and our love of drag racing.


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GAOldsman

GAOldsman

Congrats to the owner of this beautiful '70 F-85 that went rounds at this past weekends Holley National Hot Rod Reunion. He made it to the last round where he was beat out by breaking out too fast of his dial in.

coppercutlass

GAoldsman I think that 68 was the garner goodyear grabber car re bodied if I read it correct. Hot rod had a nice story on it not too long ago when it was restored .

Dave Siltman

That same wagon was at the York US 30 Reunion a few years back and I had the pleasure of looking it over and meeting the current owner. Oldsmobile was the "theme car" that year and John Troxell had a Cutlass Convertible parked next to my "69 W-31. The "flat top"wagon appears as if it were brand new in these pictures and it was in "New" condition when I saw it. I'm thinking the fellow that had it at York is still the owner now, but I seem to remember it was for sale not long ago. I think the asking price was $50,000.00 or somewhere in that neighborhood. That may sound like a lot to sum, but considering the history, the amount of records and wins, PLUS the fact that I don't think it was ever registered for street use---I'm almost positive it has been a race car since new, that is a bargain. Old race cars are that have significant history are in demand, and I don't think that car is overpriced.

Octania

1911 Race Car

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1969w3155

The Autocrat (Yellow Peril) has been at the Gilmore Car Museum for the last year or two.

vistacruiser67

There's a gallery of most of these Olds race cars at this link. Not sure if you have to set up a login. All types of cars on the website as I understand it. Gallery is located in Gene Horns W cars.

http://wildaboutcarsonline.com/cgi-b...&9980448831166

Dave Siltman

That Autocrat looks like a 1911 version of a Rallye 350.

Dave Siltman

This past weekend I showed my '69 "Anderson Olds" W-31 at the Solid Lifter Showroom at the GM Nationals in Carlisle, PA. Parked right next to me was the former "Terry Thach" car pictured above. It has been restored back to original (brown/black) and has 1098 original miles. A very nice restoration was performed and the car looked and sounded great!

Dave Siltman

Does anyone here know the whereabouts of the "Doctor's Orders" '69 W-31 pictured above. I always liked that car and was wondering if it has been found. Anybody???

coppercutlass

From the looks of it this was a Chicago based car ? Grand automotive probably on grand ave. Chicago il. or suburbs . It also looks like one of the tracks picture before the lettering was great lakes dragaway.

GAOldsman

Not necessarily a race car per se but definitely a street freak of the '70's

TK-65

A friend came across a box with a dealer speaker system in it, you walked up pressed the button and this speaker box would tell you about the car. Inside the box was a hand written list (1965) of cars/VINs/body codes and where the cars went.

This car was on the list as the "Tiger Tamer 3427" and was shown to be an Olds division owned car.

Dave Siltman

Very cool TK. Thanks for sharing.

GAOldsman

Bernhard

Great picture do you have any info on this car? I love the way the car leaves square and with the back of the car down over the tires.

GAOldsman

This one is previously posted here, but worth another gander


Here is some info on the car in this ad Bernhard Also previously posted here pg 19
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Bernhard

Thanks for the reply. I stock car very cool, it would be nice to know how fast it ran back in the day. I think it is one of the best launching stocker's from that era of Olds race cars.
Thanks for posting and finding all these pictures

GAOldsman

My pleasure Bernhard

Dave Siltman

In the background of this 442 racing the Superbird you can make out another Olds racer---a white post model. For the car above to run in H/S and I/S it must have had extra weight or been a W-32 with a lower horsepower rating. It is hard to tell from the photos, but in '69 and '70, if that car was a "regular"442 or a W-30 it would have been in a much higher class if it ran in the NHRA. The AHRA and IHRA rules did differ---AND those headlight covers would have NEVER been allowed in a stock NHRA class.
I say it is later than 1970 for a couple of reasons. First is the class rating, second is the area code in the header maker's ad--- area codes weren't used in phone numbers in 1969 and 1970. And the dates on the photos (to me) look like 1976 or 1978. I could be wrong, but I DO know that car wouldn't have run in H or I Stock in NHRA in '69 or '70 unless it was a "heavy" (weight added) W-32. There appears (again what I think I see) to be some call-out decals near the front marker lights, but no OAI under-bumper scoops. Still, the car is "leaving" pretty good on 7" tires.

Dave Siltman

Looking back at that ad, the header listings show a date up until 1971, so maybe my date theory isn't perfect, but there is NO WAY those headlight covers would be allowed in an NHRA stock class. Those covers appear in the ad, but not on the track---were they on for grudge matches, or product testing? Hard to say, unless some one here knows more about that car than me. I know my '69 W-31 (350 cu.in.) ran in F and G in 1969 and 1970 in NHRA, so there is no way a 442 (again unless a heavy W-32) would be in a class that low during that time frame. There is no mention of ET that I can see.
Also, in the racing photos, the car displays a Cyclone Headers sticker and only in the ad does it display "Headers by Ed". Here is another good one...the car has M&H stickers and Goodyear stickers and is running Firestone Drag 500s in some shots.

GAOldsman

Dave here is where I found most of the pics

http://northwoodsimages.com/gallery3...php/Drag-Strip

And what is said about them

"These are photographs I took in 1969 and 1970 at Minnesota Dragways in Coon Rapids, MN while I was their photographer and ambulance attendant. Back in those days I used a Minolta SRT-101 camera body with various lenses and print films.

I was honored that Tom Erickson used some of these images in his multi-media presentation at a Gopher State Timing Association (GSTA) event in Minneapolis, MN back in about 1980.

If anyone knows the identity of these vehicles or people or notices corrections or additions needed, please let me know via email - Any information is appreciated - I thank you!"

GAOldsman

Also his one of "Compulsion" is in there



Stated.... "Was owned by Denny Knight of Brookings, SD. It was a "factory ride" and a NHRA record holder in 1970."

Dave Siltman

Scot, do you what sanctioning body governed that Minnesota track?

GAOldsman

Looks like the track car has a '70's era IHRA decal on the fender



Kind of like this one but wider

olzman

I believe this photo was taken at Corn Husker Dragway in Omaha Ne here is a link to a bunch of other photos taken there not many Oldsmobiles by them self's but there are a ton in the staging lanes and pits.

http://public.fotki.com/mastermodele...acing-in-omah/

davebw31

ah, it is a 310HP SBO so fits in H. 68' ram rod was - E, 69' and 70' W-31- F

Bernhard

What would the 68/69 400 G 325hp 442 fit into naturally? And if you put weight in and took weight out ?
I think the hard launching 69 442 may have been a base model 442 non W car.

Dave Siltman

Bernhard, Dave B. may know for sure because he raced then (I think) but your 442 400 question is that it would have been E/S and F/S in '69 and '70 depending on weight. Those cars were dogs, hence the reason for many switching to W-31s or 310hp 350s like Dave B. is suggesting. The bore and stroke was changed from the '65-'66-'67 configuration and many blew up. The '70-'71-'72 bore and stroke were definitely more favorable for making horsepower and longevity. I would not at all be surprised if the white '69 442 pictured above was in fact running a 310-350. I have a very good friend who ordered a '70 f85 4-speed with the 310 version of the 350 and put well over 4000 documented and charted runs on the engine and still has it and it has yet to have the bottom end apart. 4000 runs is one helluva beating---the car left the dealership and went directly to the drag strip to establish a baseline.

davebw31

It seems possible the 325 HP 68/69 400 C. I. could fit in to in G or H based on how heavy the 442 s were. Back then in the 60/70/80 s you could not remove or add weight to go up or down a class. Whatever the factory shipping weight was (for model and HP) divided by the sanctioning body factored HP (or factory rating if not bogus like Ch**y, F**d, and M**ar rated their engines HP) that was what the car was classified in. I.E. my 68' 325 HP weighted min. 3258#s divided by 325 HP = 10.02 which is the bottom of E. My 70' F-85 W-31 325 HP at 3450#s fit in the bottom of F. My 71/72' Cutlass post coupe W25 ram air with a 4 speed rated at 270 HP SBO fit in M. My 72' Cutlass hardtop with a 310 HP small valve 455 and W25 hood fit in H. By changing valve size and cam I could also fit in to F and G at the same weight!

Bernhard

Thanks for the reply's
I don't think the 400 G is as much of a dog as some say, I found one pic were a 68 442 ran into the 12's. I will be building mine as close to original stocker spec's as it would have been back in the day. I could see that it would have been hard to make them hook as they spun up real quick and produced a good amount of TQ. They spun rod bearings at will I had one that spun the rod bearings twice. I know they are not as quick as a 455 cars or W31 cars.

Bernhard

Thanks for the reply Dave.

How fast were your cars back in the Golden era of stock before all the rule bending.

Dave Siltman

Dave are you using "rated" or "advertised" HP? I ask because I think all sticks were rated at 350HP---as far as I know 325s were automatic only and I think the car above is a stick. I could be wrong (I am getting old), but I think the only way to get more HP in an auto. was a "W" car--- be it W-30, W-31, or W-32. Believe me buddy, I am certainly not doubting you, just asking---please don't take my question the wrong way. I know my '69 W-31 Cutlass S post was a "natural" F/S.

davebw31

dave: you be correct. I was just using that HP as an example on how it was determined what class it would fit in for the combo!

mmurphy77

Don't forget, NHRA devised their own (more realistic) horsepower ratings for Stock Eliminator and did not rely on what the factory horsepower ratings were. So, for example, when Chevrolet rated their ZL1 427 at 430 horsepower (about 100 less than actual) they weren't fooling NHRA.

Bernhard

I just looked through the paper work GM Canada sent me and it only listed the 350hp engine for the stick cars. So Dave you still have it and look to be right that stick cars were 350hp rated.

Dave Siltman

Bernhard, there is a little known option called "W-32" that was a 400 cubic inch engine with 350 horsepower with an automatic trans. for 1969. Very rare and not many knew it even existed. I don't know the build numbers and would guess it was enough that NHRA would recognize it as being "legal". The racers look for all kinds of ways to make that "magic combo".