Caddy 472 in 67 Olds Cutlass ?
May 21st, 2012, 08:02 PM
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Caddy 472 in 67 Olds Cutlass ?
I own a 69 Caddy DeVille ragtop with a 472ci that runs like a raped ape. My 330 in my 67 Olds runs & runs pretty good but not no wheres near like my 472. Would it be a huge ordeal to put that Caddy 472 in my Olds ? I ask because huge ordeals are not my thing anymore. LOL...Semi retired & dont like sweating much anymore..If not the 69 Caddy will be for sale..Thanks.
May 21st, 2012, 08:22 PM
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May 21st, 2012, 09:04 PM
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There's a website for putting a Cad motor in anything! 500.com
They are torque monsters!
I operated a few Limo's out of O'Hare through the mid-70's, and tweeked them to 15-18 MPG, even with the rear air, under the package tray!
Even had one with a 'performance' rear axle - 3:23 Posi!
They're very close to a SBC, in weight, as they're all thin-wall castings.
All the compression changes were in the heads, as the pistons were dished a bunch.
Difference between 472 and 500 is stroke, and 472 + .030 pistons, cut down I believe .072 from the top, will increase compression 1+ point, over 500 + .030 pistons!
Nitrous will work!
Gas was a lot better then - re-curve, re-jet, and exhaust mods worked well!
They are torque monsters!
I operated a few Limo's out of O'Hare through the mid-70's, and tweeked them to 15-18 MPG, even with the rear air, under the package tray!
Even had one with a 'performance' rear axle - 3:23 Posi!
They're very close to a SBC, in weight, as they're all thin-wall castings.
All the compression changes were in the heads, as the pistons were dished a bunch.
Difference between 472 and 500 is stroke, and 472 + .030 pistons, cut down I believe .072 from the top, will increase compression 1+ point, over 500 + .030 pistons!
Nitrous will work!
Gas was a lot better then - re-curve, re-jet, and exhaust mods worked well!
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May 21st, 2012, 09:13 PM
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Yes MD it would & i could still prob ably get 2 K for the caddy. I would have to figure out motor mounts etc, Then trans & cross member etc..That 472 launches that Caddy out of the hole like a rocket. In that Cutlass it would be a decent street mild beast,,The torque in that 472 is insane,,,The olds 455 sounds easier..
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May 22nd, 2012, 02:53 AM
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May 22nd, 2012, 04:21 AM
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There's a website for putting a Cad motor in anything! 500.com
They are torque monsters!
I operated a few Limo's out of O'Hare through the mid-70's, and tweeked them to 15-18 MPG, even with the rear air, under the package tray!
Even had one with a 'performance' rear axle - 3:23 Posi!
They're very close to a SBC, in weight, as they're all thin-wall castings.
All the compression changes were in the heads, as the pistons were dished a bunch.
Difference between 472 and 500 is stroke, and 472 + .030 pistons, cut down I believe .072 from the top, will increase compression 1+ point, over 500 + .030 pistons!
Nitrous will work!
Gas was a lot better then - re-curve, re-jet, and exhaust mods worked well!
They are torque monsters!
I operated a few Limo's out of O'Hare through the mid-70's, and tweeked them to 15-18 MPG, even with the rear air, under the package tray!
Even had one with a 'performance' rear axle - 3:23 Posi!
They're very close to a SBC, in weight, as they're all thin-wall castings.
All the compression changes were in the heads, as the pistons were dished a bunch.
Difference between 472 and 500 is stroke, and 472 + .030 pistons, cut down I believe .072 from the top, will increase compression 1+ point, over 500 + .030 pistons!
Nitrous will work!
Gas was a lot better then - re-curve, re-jet, and exhaust mods worked well!
May 22nd, 2012, 04:23 AM
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This almost sounds like peer pressure & im glad it does, this way when the wife says, your doing what ! I can say but MD sais I should...LOL
May 22nd, 2012, 05:10 AM
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Deer pressure!
This company seems to have a lot of good information about Caddy swaps, they've got a whole page about it here.
According to them, it's actually a very good motor to make power.
I always wanted one of those late-sixties Cadillacs...
- Eric
May 22nd, 2012, 04:58 PM
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Right, 'cause it's not like they're in the business of selling PARTS for those motors or anything... 
And since no one apparently pointed this out, the Caddy motors were never factory installed in the A-body line, so some fabrication or custom motor mounts would be required. The Caddy motor specialists probably sell them.
And since no one apparently pointed this out, the Caddy motors were never factory installed in the A-body line, so some fabrication or custom motor mounts would be required. The Caddy motor specialists probably sell them.
May 22nd, 2012, 06:27 PM
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Well Joe, after some thought & research & not wanting to spend too many $$$$$ I think that i'll get the little 330 up to snuff & cruise old Rosie around as it is. I'll just be another all show no go.. Im too old to start that kind of project. I do have to say though the 330/320 does lack power, i would expect it to have a liitle more get up & go.. Maybe once I get the carb right she may get a little more performance..Thanks, Guys
May 22nd, 2012, 06:39 PM
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Personally, I really like the idea of putting a 500 in an A-body.
Those old Caddies could really move out, and they felt like greased oil doing it.
I think it'd be cool to have that in a smaller car.
I'm not saying it would be economical, or easy, or even a good idea, but some of the most fun things you can do with a car are neither economical, nor easy, nor good ideas.
Besides, if I can get 67 to do it to his car, it won't cost me anything
.- Eric
May 23rd, 2012, 04:38 AM
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I like Rickmans idea of the 50hp shot of nitrous, so much easier but a much larger bang when the tired 330 gets up to 15:1 instant compression, LOL...The 472 would be great & if I was the same guy I used to be, minus nad back, destroyed neck etc id be all over it...Not only would it scream but to pop the hood & see the Cadooo 472 staring back at ya would be awesome..That being said I think that I may be selling Esther, she is the black 69 ragtop Caddy so ask around. Loaded all PWR & cruise control, A/C comp & all parts are there but the A/C dont work, pwr steering leak & needs a new top. Goes down I-95 at 90-100mph all day & straight as an arrow. The trunk is full of the body trim, top motor, lines etc...Thanks
May 23rd, 2012, 09:38 AM
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[QUOTE=droptopron;409166]Its too bad caddy didn't get an A-Body back then... I have one, 09 Caddy blacked out & I love it. Then its little Brother is my 92 mazda Miata ragtop & believe it or not that Mazda is probably the longest lasting best all around car ive ever had. Comfortable no but never die & fun to drive yes.. Thanx for the input. LOve the pic of your ride.
May 23rd, 2012, 09:46 AM
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Wow, Love those pics & love that ride..That BB looks niiiiice tucked in there..Nice & simple & neat like the good ole days..I wish I still had my 67 G.S, the 400 in that even stock after the rebuild, mild cam & a little head work was a monster. The torque was outta control..The little boys in the newer Mustangs used to see the big lead sled & come up on me like they were gonna break bad & it never turned out to be fun for them. They would get me off the line but the minute that rear brabbed id walk them down, wave & go...LOL..No replacement for displacement..
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Wow, Love those pics & love that ride..That BB looks niiiiice tucked in there..Nice & simple & neat like the good ole days..I wish I still had my 67 G.S, the 400 in that even stock after the rebuild, mild cam & a little head work was a monster. The torque was outta control..The little boys in the newer Mustangs used to see the big lead sled & come up on me like they were gonna break bad & it never turned out to be fun for them. They would get me off the line but the minute that rear brabbed id walk them down, wave & go...LOL..No replacement for displacement..
May 26th, 2012, 06:56 AM
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If you decide to go this route, pick a good tranny builder like Jakes Performance, or CK performance.
May 26th, 2012, 08:54 AM
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+1 on goatwgn's post.
Compliment that with :
1) A good exhaust system.
2) A good quality rebuilt QJet.
3) Find someone that doesn't look at you like you have 3 heads when you use the words distributor machine & re-curve.
Fine tuning & maximizing the efficiency of what you already have will make it feel like a completely different beast.
Compliment that with :
1) A good exhaust system.
2) A good quality rebuilt QJet.
3) Find someone that doesn't look at you like you have 3 heads when you use the words distributor machine & re-curve.
Fine tuning & maximizing the efficiency of what you already have will make it feel like a completely different beast.
May 26th, 2012, 12:04 PM
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If you still have the original transmission in the Olds, it will be a 2 speed "Jetaway". The Jetaway would even kill some of the 472's performance. This 330 will really "wake up" if you simply change the tranny to a TH 350 with a mild stall in the torque convertor. The 1.78 or so 1st gear in the Jetaway is almost like starting out in second gear with a TH350. TH 350 ratios are 2.52 for first, 1.52 for second, 1 to 1 for 3rd. (TH 400s have 2.48/1.48/1), TH 2004rs have an even better 2.74/1.57/1/.67 gear spread. The 2004r would be an even better choice if you get one built with the upgraded components. This would allow an even deeper rear gear, and still have good cruising rpm. A good setup would be a 330 with the 2004r/ 3.73 rear gears. This would transform the whole car, without touching the engine.
If you decide to go this route, pick a good tranny builder like Jakes Performance, or CK performance.
If you decide to go this route, pick a good tranny builder like Jakes Performance, or CK performance.
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+1 on goatwgn's post.
Compliment that with :
1) A good exhaust system.
2) A good quality rebuilt QJet.
3) Find someone that doesn't look at you like you have 3 heads when you use the words distributor machine & re-curve.
Fine tuning & maximizing the efficiency of what you already have will make it feel like a completely different beast.
Compliment that with :
1) A good exhaust system.
2) A good quality rebuilt QJet.
3) Find someone that doesn't look at you like you have 3 heads when you use the words distributor machine & re-curve.
Fine tuning & maximizing the efficiency of what you already have will make it feel like a completely different beast.
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If you go ahead with this, both trannys are basic bolt ins. The are both the same length as a Jetaway, and both use same yoke and driveshaft. You can leave crossmember position the same for a th350, move it back to th400 position for a th2004r. I would use a non lockup 2004r if you go that route. I have one in my Pontiac 455 equiped '66 Tempest wagon with a 3.42 rear and it "acts like" 2.29 rear gearing on the highway. You will have to hook up a downshift cable to the carb on a TH350, or a TV (Throttle Valve) cable on a th2004r. The Jetaway uses a downshift switch. Good luck and keep us posted.
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Just for the record on the potential of the 330, my stepdad had a '65 F-85 back in the '60's, and early '70's that ran 12.90s in the quarter mile. Different cam and carburetor, 4.11 gears, not much else. It did have a transplanted TH400, however, and not the Jetaway.
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Wow ! Now thats impressive for sure. Gives me hope & saves me tons of work....And in the 70's high 12's were more impressive then they are now..Thanx
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The Jetaway is really not a bad trans as long as the electrics are working properly. The variable vane torque converter has 2 stall speeds, so it can be set up for performance and acts like an overdrive. Here read this.
http://www.442.com/oldsfaq/oftsp.htm
http://www.442.com/oldsfaq/oftsp.htm
May 30th, 2012, 10:42 AM
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IMO keep the Olds in it and do the improvements previously suggested. Hate it when engines are transplanted into another brand of car. Halfbreed comes to mind. I get this bad taste in my mouth and an urge to spit wells up when I look under the hood.
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The Jetaway is really not a bad trans as long as the electrics are working properly. The variable vane torque converter has 2 stall speeds, so it can be set up for performance and acts like an overdrive. Here read this.
I have to have the electrics looked at. I found that the fuse was blown & was hopeful that it was the problem..Well it wasn't...They previous owner/owners kept everything in tact, every wire, plug etc so hopefully its nothhing big. I love the bone stock OEM look on older cars anyway so all of it just may stay..
http://www.442.com/oldsfaq/oftsp.htm
I have to have the electrics looked at. I found that the fuse was blown & was hopeful that it was the problem..Well it wasn't...They previous owner/owners kept everything in tact, every wire, plug etc so hopefully its nothhing big. I love the bone stock OEM look on older cars anyway so all of it just may stay..
http://www.442.com/oldsfaq/oftsp.htm
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Ive thought about the swap or maybe a crate & my heart just wont let me. I'm with u on this one, I love seeing stock equipment on old rides, nothing like seeing a straight 8 in the old classic that it belongs in. My buddy has the original Nail head in his Merc & it looks awesone. My 330 mechanically runs incredible other then a rough idle, the carb rebuild is coming soon. No smoke & dont burn a drop of oil. If I could get the trans right id probably just leave it all right where its at. For strictly cruising it is perfect as is. Drop the top & go, slow yes but it still gets tons of thumbs up.. Thanks
June 4th, 2012, 08:52 AM
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67 Cutlass with 330
My brother had a 67 Oldsmobile Cutlass with a 330 Ultra High Compression engine in it and it was pretty impressive for a stock engine. We but a B&M shift kit in the transmission and the car used to kick out to the side when it would pull 2nd gear, it moved pretty good to. My wife had a 65 with a low compression 330 and it would not get out of its own way, but it was one of the smoothest running v8 engines I have ever seen, turn key every time.
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My brother had a 67 Oldsmobile Cutlass with a 330 Ultra High Compression engine in it and it was pretty impressive for a stock engine. We but a B&M shift kit in the transmission and the car used to kick out to the side when it would pull 2nd gear, it moved pretty good to. My wife had a 65 with a low compression 330 and it would not get out of its own way, but it was one of the smoothest running v8 engines I have ever seen, turn key every time.
June 6th, 2012, 06:31 PM
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Here's a 500 in a 73 Cutlass, not too shabby:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37Npf0QflOs
Apparently its harder to squeeze one into the earlier A-bodies:
http://www.carcraft.com/featuredvehi...k/viewall.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37Npf0QflOs
Apparently its harder to squeeze one into the earlier A-bodies:
http://www.carcraft.com/featuredvehi...k/viewall.html
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June 21st, 2012, 07:13 PM
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A couple of the best improvements for the 330 would be a nice T-350 trans w/shift kit. An easy swap, same drive shaft.
The other as mention, would be a rear gear swap. A nice 3.23 would improve all around town and freeway driving.
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The other as mention, would be a rear gear swap. A nice 3.23 would improve all around town and freeway driving.
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