razziz

Can anybody help me interpret the trim plate (69 Olds 442 made in Canada)? Seems to read:

ST 69 34477 OS 509730 BDY
TR 930 90 532350 PNT
M40

Know that the ST 69 34477 indicates a 69 Olds 442-V8, 2 dr Club coupe. No idea about the rest.

Include picture of trim plate. Thanks!

Rick

L69

well the 930 trim is black bucket seats and the M40 is the option code for the Turbo 400 tranny.

L69

Not sure about the paint codes. I have seen quite a few canada cars show the tranny option down below.

FYI 509730 BDY is the body number and has nothing to do with the vin. It is the number assigned to your actual body from fisher

razziz

Thanks! Will have to find out more on the Turbo 400. Am hoping the engine is original (has the last 6 VIN digits stamped on the side of the block along with what apears to be a 1 (for Oshawa) and then maybe a 3 in front, although hard to read the 3. The cast number also matches (396026G).

Still trying to figure out the what the OS is (maybe Oshawa?), the 90, and the paint color.

Octania

the engine is original (block is VIN stamped 31######)
Can you divulge the last 6 of the VIN? See below.


"FYI 509730 BDY is the body number and has nothing to do with the vin. It is the number assigned to your actual body from fisher "
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Actually I would be interested in seeing or learning the VIN, whether it matches the Body Tag Number. I swear once, ONCE, I saw a Canada '69 442, and first the "344xx" on the body tag caught my eye, then I could swear I noticed that the body # on the body tag matched the VIN last 6.

I would love to document that.

sammy

My 68 442 is also Made In Canada at the Oshawa plant.
Being a Canadian car, Vintage Vehicle Services will have all the Imfo pertaining to the build of your car. Contact person is George Zapora. They are located in Oshawa. Cost is around 120$, but well worth it!

Ted

sammy

I thought 940 was black buckets/ interior?

razziz

L69, many thanks. Ditto for Sammy, and will contact BVintage Vehicle Service

Octania, the VIN is 3447791103878. The last 6 digits of the VIN match the stamp on the engine (see attached photo), but does not match the Fisher Body number (509730) on trim plate. Sorry doesn't support what you saw.

Rick

Allan R

Hi Rick
Canadian Cars Rule!!
Here's the whole thing for you
ST 69 - 1969 Model Year
3 - Oldsmobile division of GM
44 - model 442
77 - body style: this is a post coupe (framed door glass and quarter glass)
OS - Build plant : Oshawa. This will also show up as a '1' in your VIN BTW
BDY - 509730 - Body number assigned by Fisher (body works)
TR 930 - Black vinyl with Strato Bucket Seats
PNT - 90 (Not 100% on this, but you may have a special order paint) According to GM color palette 90 is the code for Cadillac Sapphire Blue Firemist Metallic. This is lower body color
532350 - this should be the upper color. I thnk that tag is color is meant to represent the dupont color "Nassau Blue", which means the car would have been a 2 tone.
M41 - 3 spd HD floor shift trans. The OPTION for this car was either a TH400, M20 4sp wide ratio or M21 4sp close ratio trans. All 442's in 69 had a 400cid engine.

I don't see the build date code on the cowl tag. Usually it's in the bottom left side of the tag under the TR code

BTW, since that car is built in Canada the GM Heritage center will be able to provide you with documentation on pretty much all you need for provenance on it. When it was built, who it was delivered to, production numbers, and all the options that were on the car when it was built.

Allan R

The VIN and cowl body numbers never match.
34477 you already know
9 - model year : 69
1 - Oshawa production
103878 - VIN - assigned by Oshawa. All VINs started at 100001 for each model year, so your car was probably built before Jan 1970. Do you still have the production sticker on the door?

Does this look familiar?
Same idea for a Cutlass S Post in 1968

razziz

Allan:
Many thanks! Should have said that the car (at least now) has a vinyl top, which may explain the 532350 code for upper body paint.



Dont think I have a production sticker. Where on the door would it be?

And does the GM Heritage Center do the same thing as the Vintage Vehicle Service?


Another question is whether all 442s had the wide painted stripes on the hood? Mine does not have twin hood scoops (presume those are for the ram-air option only). See photo. Thanks!

69442C

The wide painted stripes on the hood was an option for 442's in 1969. 442's this year also could have had a pinstripe that outlined the raised areas as shown in the attached photo. The photo you included shows the raised center style hood which is correct for a 442 in '69. There were no Ram Air hoods (OAI) for 1969 and the ram air feature was done via an under the bumper mounted scoop with hoses that ran up to the air cleaner.

Brian

sammy

GM heritage as Allan quoted is the same VVS ....it is the co that runs it for GM

razziz

Thanks Brian and Sammy. Was able to download (all 252 pages in PDF) the Vehicle Identification Kit for the 69 Olds 442 from the GM Heritage Center site. Chock full of data.

GAOldsman

Hmm sounds like you are right on the Special Order Caddy paint. Close to the color of the roof of my car

1969 GM Cadillac Sapphire Blue 90
C WA3938
2070 5059L 5656
L11-L2876G

If it is, I wonder why the code wasn't left off or - -

Allan R

I still think your car was originally a 2 tone paint car with special paint - they also had the trim that separates the vinyl top from lower body color. Right now as your car sits it would likely have been tagged as 11 B (Cameo white/black vinyl top). I'm almost postivie the 532350 is a paint code for Dupont for the original upper color.

The production door sticker would look like this on the door.


Yes, Sammy and I were talking about the same thing. The center is run by a gentleman named George Zapora. Here's the link for ordering the info specific to your car: http://vintagevehicleservices.com/fo...tion_73.45.pdf

razziz - Brian is pretty much an expert on the features of 69 442s. That car in the pic is some of his handiwork. Although the OAI hood we are most familiar with didn't arrive on scene till 1970, a 1970 hood WILL fit a 69. The only mod I'm aware of is what's posted here
IMO it really enhances the car and makes it look even sportier.

It's actually a part of GM

Allan R

That thought crossed my mind too Scot. Keep in mind we don't have any actual documentation so far on the car, so this is still speculation on my part. It would be really nice to see the documentation that the GM VVS could provide. I'm sure they will have the proper color breakdown of the car as it left the factory.

GAOldsman

One way to check is to pull the sill plates and see if it is blue under there.

sammy

Vintage Vehicle Services Inc is a private company established in 1993, and runs the Heritage division for GM. .....

Ted
...sometimes, well, it is just nice to clarify

razziz

Thanks guys! Very helpful. Ordering my VSS heritage info now. Lets see what they say. Good idea on the sill plates, at least to find out what lower body color was.

I may need quarter panels, etc. Whats a good source for sheet metal replacements and other parts?

GAOldsman

New Old Stock (NOS) or from a donor car would fit best, but there are some mediocre repops out there.

Allan R

Not necessarily Scot. If the car was repainted the sill plates could easily have been removed. What I'd do is look in the trunk openings, behind the kick panels or door panel weather shields to see if there's any original color there. Most good resprays will do the door jambs and rocker areas and tape off the other areas. Check the hard to get to areas where you'll likely see the original color. That assumes of course that the car has original sheet metal.

My apologies Ted. My comment was based on the info I received from George. Like yours it probably has the GM Canada logo at the top of the letter head. I appreciate the clarification; it was an honest error on my part.

According to the info I have, my car is 1 of 8,161 of the same model imported for sale here. And it's likely 1 of less than 400 (best guess) still surviving. Every day I see another one being parted out makes my car more rare in my mind. It will never be for sale - too much sentimental attachment.

Octania

" There were no Ram Air hoods (OAI) for 1969 "

sammy

No worries Allan......
So you figure 5% still around....first time I have seen a stat on that.
This in mind, only 50 are left of the 68 Canadian built 442's and 202 are left of my 1970 C/S that were imported into Canada.
I hear you, I will never sell my Western 455 C/S!

it will be interesting the #'s that razziz car be, when George sends the imfo

Ted

razziz

Will let everybody know as soon as I get report. Thanks

GAOldsman

Correct but with a sill plate removed you can peek under the carpet for factory overspray But you are correct in the other places all being good places to look and hopefully confirm the original color is in fact Caddy Blue.

Rick how long have you lived in Augusta?

razziz

Been here for about 30 months. Was in Los Angeles and Birmingham before that. Grew up in Pittsburgh.

Allan R

LOL - good one! I think Brian was referring to the more popular versions of the OAI that came out in 70-72? We all know that HO's had that special hood, but it wasn't factory was it? Wasn't it a Demer special hood?

69442C

Thanks Allan and yes, my comment was directed at 442's since that is the question that was asked. The scoops installed on the 69 HO were Demmer pieces added to a stock Olds hood.

Brian

razziz

Received an advance print out from George Zapora decoding trim plate and other ino. Looks like the PNT number on the trim plate actually was 53 2B 50. Still no idea what the 90 indicates:

Trim: 930 – Black
Paint: 53 – Nassau Blue
top: 2B – Black
Stripe: 50 – Cameo White
Production Plant: Oshawa, Ontario, Canada
Production Date: September 18, 1968
Shipping Date: September 25, 1968
Model Number: 34477 – 442 – 2dr pillar coupe
Engine: 400 CID 325 HP 4bbl Rocket V8
Engine Number: 9028782
Dealer: Jenkins Motors Inc., 9th & East Streets
Frederick, MD 21701
Number Produced
For U.S. Sale In Canada
(Same Model Number Only) 509

RPO Code Description
a02 glass: tinted windshield
a82 head restraint - SEATBACK
b32 MATS: frONt floor
b33 MATS: rEAR floor
B93 MOLDING: CHROME DOOR EDGE
c08 exterior soft trim roof cover
d33 outside rear view mirror - lh - remote control
j50 BRAKES: vacuum power
m40 TRANSMISSION: 3-speed autoMATIC (THM 400)
n40 POWER steering
N42 STEERING FAST RATIO
n95 simulated wire wheel trim cover
p26 TIRE: G78 x 14
uf1 map lamp on rear view mirror
u35 electric clock
u63 radio: AM pushbutton
Y60 CONVENIENCE GROUP

Thanks all for your help and Merry Christmas!

razziz

BTW. Does anybody know what "Stripe: 50-Cameo White" refers to? Are these the wide strips on the hood? Or are there other stripes? Thanks

sammy

Unless things changed in the 69 model, I learned from this forum that unless your car came with the vertical fender stripe option,W36, then it came standard with a pin stripe that ran just below the side chrome moulding......I am having trouble copying and pasting.......the forum helped me with my 68 442 ....refer to" 68 442 saved" if you want to find out more

Ted and
Merry
Christmas

sammy

Pretty low production numbers too! Only 509 cars produced for the American market.....excellent!

wmachine

[QUOTE=Allan R;488024]

Okay let's really clarify then. There is no "Heritage division" to GM. VVS is contracted to GM *Canade*. Not connected nor part of the GM Heritage Center which is run by Allied Vaughn who is contracted by GM to run the GMHC.

wmachine

The rest of that partial information from the GMHC package (and much more) is available in *clean* downloadable PDF format free of charge on Wild About Cars.
Wild About Cars. http://wildaboutcars.com. An information supersource, especially Oldsmobile. More Olds content than anywhere else on the internet and continuing to grow.
You'll find Chassis Service Manuals, Product Information Manuals (AKA Assembly Manuals), Inspector's Manuals, and other documents that will contain this and much much more.
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Free to join, free to learn.

wmachine

He did say "ram air option" not "ram air hood".
The wide W42 hood stripes are indeed part of the the Force-Air (OAI) options (W30, W31, and W32). But they are also optional on any other 442.
The narrow outline stripes (Y73) were standard on 442s and optional on the Cutlass S.

wmachine

That would be the standard Y73 narrow pinstripes on your hood. And trunk. You do not have the W42 wide hood stripes.

Things did change for '69, and what you are saying is not applicable for '69.

But a lot more were produced *in* the US.

sammy

[QUOTE=wmachine;489287]Okay, let's really,really clarify...
The building which VVS is located in Oshawa is referred to locally as the heritage centre...I was not explicit enough, for I was referring only to that building. I realize there is no Heritage division per say.

Yes, I was not sure about that imfo on the 69 442...thanks for correcting......

razziz

Thanks everybody. Did sign up for 'WildAboutCars.Com". Good info. Saw an Ad and the sales brochure for the 69 Olds 442. Apparently comes with rally stripes as option (thin strips on hood and trunk) and apparently also with wide strips on hoods (at least in the ad I saw - See attached - although its in B&W and hard to see if its only a pinstripe).

As mine states a 'stripe' was there, assume its the pinstripe option. Thanks

razziz

See attached. Only ad for a 69 442 (not W options) I could find.