Hurst/Olds 73/74

A few months ago, I found a black, Y-77 (350) 1974 Hurst/Olds in a scrapyard. The car had typical Ohio rust and was too far gone to make a decent resto project (the T-Bird sitting on it's roof didn't help). I bought the fairly complete H/O and parted it out because I didn't want to see the rare parts go to the shredder. I actually test-drove this same car almost 20 years ago from a used car lot. I ended up buying an identical, but nicer, '74 H/O from Missouri. Here's my questions:

1. The H/O 350 was rated at 200 hp, higher than the 350 in the Cutlasses the same year. I beleive they had their own VIN designation also. What are the differences in the H/O Y-77 350?

2. Both of the black '74 Hurst/Olds I have owned have had the Hurst logo-in-a-circle hood ornament instead of the more common Oldsmobile script-in-a-circle hood ornament. Both had the ornaments since at least 1995 when I first saw them and both were very weathered and pitted, and appeared original to the cars. I have read that these Hurst ornaments were never original equipment on the H/O, but I find that hard to believe when the only two H/O's I have ever owned both had them and appeared original. Does anyone have information on these Hurst logo hood ornaments?

3. I'm well versed on the Mopar hobby, but I've been out of the Oldsmobile loop for a long time. From the '74 H/O, I have the front bumper (needs rechromed), front facia (badly rusted), grilles, hood (rusty frame but decent skin, gills, and screen), full gauge pod and 120 mph speedo pod, H/O opera window plugs, 10 bolt posi with 2.76? gears, and the rear sway bar with brackets. Does anyone have an approximate value on these parts? I want to recoup my $$$ and am looking for a fair, not gold-plated value.

Hurst/Olds 73/74

Here's some more pics of the car how I found her:

1970cs

#2 go to Fusick part#se735ho $135.00.
http://www.fusick.com/catfile/Catalo...Layout%201.pdf

Pat

Hurst/Olds 73/74

Yes, that's the Oldsmobile script hood ornament that was supposed to be on the '73-'75 H/O. I'm looking for information on the "Hurst" logo one that was on both of my cars instead of the Oldsmobile script. Here's a pic of the one I'm talking about:

aretubj

ALLLLL of these issues and questions have been discussed in great detail at a site deticated to 73-77 olds.
www.73-77olds.com

Joe

1969Hurst

The 1974 Y77 H/O would have had the standard L-34 180hp motor, VIN wise you would see a '3G37V' for 455 cars or '3G37K' for 350 cars, but any G37 coupe could have had the same vin, the vin did not have anything Hurst/Olds specific in it. See the attached for differences between the W30 and Y77 packages.

The Hurst logo hood orni's were sold separately aftermarket by Hurst, sold at parts stores, individuals did replaced them, my current 74 H/O has one on it. I've seen a few that also had them on the cars from 73 to 75. I've heard a rumor that 'executives' got them on their cars but that is certainly unsubstantiated and I've never seen any documentation on that.

Hurst/Olds 73/74

1969Hurst, thanks for sharing the info! The '74 H/O I bought out of Missouri had a 5th digit of "M". The VIN is the following:

3G37M4M285109

The '74 H/O I scrapped recently had this VIN:

3G37K4M291310

Somewhere during the time I owned the first one, I ran across something (possibly a Chilton Repair Manual?) that stated "M" was a 200 hp 350. I'll check my Chilton to see if that's where I came across the info.

Here's the pics of the first '74 H/O I owned from 1995 to around 1999. It went to Cleveland, Ohio. I've lost track of it:

tru-blue 442

Welcome.
The one you owned in '95
was a beauty, wow, nice!
I owned a black and gold
rust bucket '73 with a 455.
But it was a hellava lot of fun!

rocketraider

Pretty sure the difference is K= 350-4V single exhaust, M= 350-4v dual exhaust- which was usually rated a little higher horsepower than single exhaust cars. The Y77 cars could have had either.

Hurst/Olds 73/74

OK, thanks! I noticed with the one I parted out that it had the crossover pipe for single exhaust but the one I owned back in '95 had dual exhaust. I never knew they were available with single exhaust....weird!

1969Hurst

Good point by rocketraider... I made the incorrect assumption on the Y77's in the other direction that they were all singles.

rhurstolds74

The proposal car had the Hurst logo, which they were starting to sell in the auto stores at the time. I actually have a prototype packaging box that Hurst maketing was designing before they went to their blister card. Olds had them modify in the Olds inserts for the production run. A company called A Little Different sold the Hurst versions for years, and were the only source for H/O items at the time. Many cars were swapped over at the time. Sad to see one reduced to this state, and this fate. Keep the VIN tag for any H/O registry out there.

rocketraider

Yah, the 1974 350 cars were a little strange in a lot of ways. Mine was a single exhaust car when I got it, though I did change it to duals. A single exhaust Hurst/Olds just didn't seem right...

All the stuff that came with the W30 cars could be had on the Y77, just at extra cost. What you got with a 350 H/O was a Cutlass S with the Hurst/Olds appearance package and not much else. They were produced solely to be able to sell them in California, as the 455 was not California emissions-certified in A-body cars. Turned out they were more popular than the W30 version, probably due to their lower cost and smaller engines (they hit the market right in the middle of the first manufactured oil crisis).

At one time mine, with no extra-cost stuff except A/C and AM/FM mono radio, was one of the lowest-optioned Hurst/Oldses known to the H/OCA. I think a 74 with AM-only and no air has surfaced since then.

I added a tilt column (for my own comfort more than anything, it's hard for a six-footer like me to slide under a low steering wheel), map/underdash courtesy lights and an upgraded radio.

But yeah, a lot of these cars have met the fate this black one has. At least someone found it and tried to save some of the good stuff for somebody who might need it.

rhurstolds74

'74 is the only year you could buy a Hurst/Olds without a Hurst shifter. But, being as it was the first car I actually paid for at the time, It is still my favorite. A clean black version is very nice looking. I like the striping as well. 73 is nice, but 75 is understated in my opinion.

Hurst/Olds 73/74

Is the front facia/header panel unique to the '74 H/O and 442, or is it just a carryover piece from the '73 Cutlass-442-H/O?

red rag top

Header for the 74 H/O was unique to the 74 model but also to the Cutlass S. The Cutlass Supreme in 74 had a different header than the S model.

rocketraider

Nope. 1974 Hurst/Olds and 442 shared their header panel and lower bumper with the AF base Cutlass. S cars except Hurst/442 used the same header panel as the Supreme/Salon. Neither has anything in common with the 1973 header except headlight bezels and nose Rocket, and even then there are differences depending on carline.

Just some lessons learned while gathering parts for me 74 Hurst.

red rag top

Sorry rocketraider. I guess I used the wrong model description. What I was calling the "S" you referred to as the AF base Cutlass. We are both describing the same thing but I mistakenly referred to the base model as an S. Another thing that should be noted is that the bumpers are different because the Hurst/442/base has the turn signals in the bumper where as the other models have the turn signals next to the grille in the header.

red rag top

Pics of both

cutlassjim

I bought mine from a salvage yard in Lansing. It turned out to be track car #71. Still trying to find someone to install the new vinyl top.

32lincoln

Hurst/Olds 73/74, does this car have the plastic headlight inserts intact? I am looking for a pair of nice ones for my 74 hurst. Also, the pasenger side vinyl right front bumper filler, is it damaged or cracked? I need one of those as well.
Thanks
32lincoln

rhurstolds74

By headlight inserts, do you mean the buckets they set in to? I can help you with that, as well as the pass side piece. ebayalias@aol.com

32lincoln

I have the steel buckets that the headlights sit in. I was looking for the 2 plastic inserts that are attached to the inner fender and the front grille surround. The LH part number is 410757 and the RH part is 410756. The numbers can be seen on the back of them after they are removed fron the car. Since I emailed you, I have made 2 decent ones out of 4 that I had. They are typically cracked in many places and the headlight adjustment screw threads are broken away. I'd still be interested if yours are nice but I'd need to see pictures.
Thanks

32lincoln

Also, forgot to mention that I am still interested in the passenger side bumper filler, I'd be inetersetd in both sides if they are nice and also the dip stick tube and dip stick from the 455 engine.
Thanks
32lincoln

steverw

Question:
What is a 74 H/O W30 worth. Its a matching number 455 Pretty clean unrestored car. Its for sale here in Texas. The only rust i saw was at the bottom of the vinyl top trim behind the side windows. It runs, interion is not bad. But in my opinion the car would need most of a full resto.
Im just curious what these cars are worth, the owner did not give me a price but if anyone is interested i can give the info where the car is. Its near Abilene, Tx.
Steve

steverw

I wasnt interested in buying the car so i didnt take much time looking at it. However it did look nice and very restorable.

Mr Shifty Sidney

I have a hood for sale/trade if anyone is interested. I am in south central Ky. Just off I-65.

Don W