61 Starfire - what do i have?
December 9th, 2016, 01:25 PM
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How are they different? I have a hood molding that I thought was off a 62 and when I hold it up next to my 61 moldings they look the same.
The black rims then on a 61 starfire were gloss black then I would assume.
Under hood black? gloss?
I believe oldsfan I sent you my data plate info. I think I read on your site that some plants used different coding, 3 digits vs 2 on the 1962 cars. Since my 61 starfire has power antenna and A/C I was curious why my ACC area would be blank.
The black rims then on a 61 starfire were gloss black then I would assume.
Under hood black? gloss?
I believe oldsfan I sent you my data plate info. I think I read on your site that some plants used different coding, 3 digits vs 2 on the 1962 cars. Since my 61 starfire has power antenna and A/C I was curious why my ACC area would be blank.
December 9th, 2016, 10:54 PM
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'62 Starfire hood mouldings
Two types of '62 hood mldgs, one for Starfire and the other type looks a little like '61 Starfire. I hope with this all said that what you're referring too is the Wind Splits on the Hood. 1961 Starfire has Two and 1962 Starfires have only one.
Under hood and with Deluxe wheel covers, wheels were painted satin black.
If you want to see what year motor you have to crawl to the rear of the engine beside where the Distributor is, and on that flat surface beside the Distributor you'll see a Clock face embossment, and it will either have a number "1" in it for 1961 or a number "2" if it's a 1962 engine.
I know where there is '61 Starfire missing part of the front clip, but it's an Air Car in really nice shape, in a Salvage yard. You can't buy any parts from the Car but He's willing to sell the car complete. Not many left to get as a builder or for parts. He also has (Three) '62 Starfires as well, two of them are Convertibles. Same condition applies.....
Under hood and with Deluxe wheel covers, wheels were painted satin black.
If you want to see what year motor you have to crawl to the rear of the engine beside where the Distributor is, and on that flat surface beside the Distributor you'll see a Clock face embossment, and it will either have a number "1" in it for 1961 or a number "2" if it's a 1962 engine.
I know where there is '61 Starfire missing part of the front clip, but it's an Air Car in really nice shape, in a Salvage yard. You can't buy any parts from the Car but He's willing to sell the car complete. Not many left to get as a builder or for parts. He also has (Three) '62 Starfires as well, two of them are Convertibles. Same condition applies.....
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December 10th, 2016, 05:58 PM
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December 10th, 2016, 06:21 PM
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I had a set years ago and have since sold them and didn't recall valve stem holes. The '62, and '63 deluxe Cover do not have holes and I have a set right here. I've checked my books and the holes are correct for the set you have.
December 10th, 2016, 06:24 PM
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December 11th, 2016, 07:24 AM
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How do you identify a Starfire engine? I have the stamp on the driver side head but not on the pax side, see photo.
It appears that the '61 98 has the same hood chrome piece and "oldsmobile" letters as the Starfire.
Satin black on the rims but underside of hood and black painted parts in engine compartment are what sheen?
It appears that the '61 98 has the same hood chrome piece and "oldsmobile" letters as the Starfire.
Satin black on the rims but underside of hood and black painted parts in engine compartment are what sheen?
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December 11th, 2016, 09:33 PM
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well, it would seem after doing some research I have a '62 engine in my '61 Starfire....bummer. block is 577476 4 1/8, intake 580677, and head G169207S. It was suggested in an earlier post that the clock stamp by the block casting number would indicate the year and I have a 2 stamped next to it. I've include a photo if someone could verify all of this. How hard is it to find a '61 Starfire engine? I bet not easy.
December 12th, 2016, 03:11 AM
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Regarding 61 Starfires;
Is the hood chrome piece on a 62 the same as the hood chrome pieces on a 61?
Were the rims painted anything other than black?
Was the underside of the hood painted black or body color? If black, gloss or semi gloss?
Anyone with a 61 or 62 for that matter have a data plate with the ACC area blank?
Looking for a 61 Starfire hood and trunk lid.
Is the hood chrome piece on a 62 the same as the hood chrome pieces on a 61?
Were the rims painted anything other than black?
Was the underside of the hood painted black or body color? If black, gloss or semi gloss?
Anyone with a 61 or 62 for that matter have a data plate with the ACC area blank?
Looking for a 61 Starfire hood and trunk lid.
Some other trim pieces, too.
December 12th, 2016, 09:02 AM
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Do you have the Protect-O-Plate that came with the car? It should be in the Owner Warranty/Protection Plan booklet. What does it say, if anything, re: engine numbers?
Is it possible your 61 was built very late in the model year and the factory was already stocking and using 1962 engines?
Is it possible your 61 was built very late in the model year and the factory was already stocking and using 1962 engines?
December 12th, 2016, 09:31 PM
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well, it would seem after doing some research I have a '62 engine in my '61 Starfire....bummer. block is 577476 4 1/8, intake 580677, and head G169207S. It was suggested in an earlier post that the clock stamp by the block casting number would indicate the year and I have a 2 stamped next to it. I've include a photo if someone could verify all of this. How hard is it to find a '61 Starfire engine? I bet not easy.
On the previous pic you showed here that had a very bright flash from your camera, I couldn't really see what you were trying to show but this latest picture shows a "2" quite clearly and that would identify your Engine Block as a '62 production. It's the Camshaft and Type of Pistons that make the Starfire Engine with the Higher H.P. The 1962 Starfire Engines were 345 H.P. I think the '61 Starfire engines were a little less H.P. if I'm not mistaken.
February 26th, 2017, 08:24 AM
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My 61 Starfire interior pieces are being painted. Bothe cars have the red interior, trim 935. There are two shades of red. The red on the console and dash was determined to be garnet mist which I've seen referred to as an exterior color but not as an interior color. My painter believes this is the correct color for the dash and console. The dark red, almost purple, is on the dash end caps, dash metal along windshield, heater box, brake and park brake pedals. Anyone have paint names or codes for either of these reds.
February 26th, 2017, 09:20 AM
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February 26th, 2017, 04:36 PM
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The 1963 Olds master parts book shows two part numbers for blocks , one with flat top pistons part # 582165 . And one with dished pistons part #582164 .
For all 1961's except F-85.
I would imagine that all 1961 blocks are the same , and that the difference in part numbers was due to the design of the pistons furnished with each block .
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February 26th, 2017, 08:07 PM
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My 61 Starfire interior pieces are being painted. Bothe cars have the red interior, trim 935. There are two shades of red. The red on the console and dash was determined to be garnet mist which I've seen referred to as an exterior color but not as an interior color. My painter believes this is the correct color for the dash and console. The dark red, almost purple, is on the dash end caps, dash metal along windshield, heater box, brake and park brake pedals. Anyone have paint names or codes for either of these reds.
This company can mix these colors in several kinds of paint.
I recommend them as I have bought from them before.
Yes, the lighter red is the same as the exterior color .
http://www.autocolorlibrary.com/aclc...obile-pg01.jpg
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February 27th, 2017, 10:01 AM
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first read this thread today & when I saw the first pic thought it was my old "unrestored" Starfire - finally restored (I was the second owner & sold it 4 years ago) - but it is not.
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February 27th, 2017, 10:24 AM
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the '61 Starfire (all convertible for 1961) was introduced around Christmas 1960
the majority were built in Lansing 3915 - mine was 616M01835 (body # 843) produced last few days of Dec. '60 (12E) - it was sold new in CA
South Gate added the Starfire in December but only 567 built for model year 1961 ** 317 total by the end of March, 434 total by the end of April
the majority were built in Lansing 3915 - mine was 616M01835 (body # 843) produced last few days of Dec. '60 (12E) - it was sold new in CA
South Gate added the Starfire in December but only 567 built for model year 1961 ** 317 total by the end of March, 434 total by the end of April
February 27th, 2017, 10:31 AM
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I read the following somewhere ....
high end cars with their wide white wall tires was the norm for 1961, when the Starfire debuted in December of 1960 with its 1" white wall - ALL other cars looked like last year's model
high end cars with their wide white wall tires was the norm for 1961, when the Starfire debuted in December of 1960 with its 1" white wall - ALL other cars looked like last year's model
