61-70 Big Cars, "Darksiders" unite !
August 29th, 2014, 10:53 PM
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61-70 Big Cars, "Darksiders" unite !
This forum, of course, is dominated by the "A" bodied cars.
I'm starting this thread , and dedicating it to 88's, 98's, Starfires, Jetstars, and Fiesta's.
I borrowed the term " darksider " from a Pontiac forum.
What's a darksider ? Well, It's kinda like most of the hobby is concentrated on the "A" body cars, and the "B"& "C " bodies are on the darkside of the moon.
Life is a little tougher for a "darksider" because there is little support in the production of reproduction parts.
Still, us "darksiders" forge ahead with our restorations with used or NOS parts when we can find them.
I started this thread so that we can identify ourselves to each other, and share as much information as possible.
I would appreciate it if everyone who owns a 61-70 full size car would post a pic of it and tell us a little about it.
I will start it off by showing my 63 Dynamic 88 Holiday 2 door. I bought it 3 years ago out of NM . It's in 10,000 pieces right now. But I'm doing it Johnny Cash style. "One piece at a time".
I'm starting this thread , and dedicating it to 88's, 98's, Starfires, Jetstars, and Fiesta's.
I borrowed the term " darksider " from a Pontiac forum.
What's a darksider ? Well, It's kinda like most of the hobby is concentrated on the "A" body cars, and the "B"& "C " bodies are on the darkside of the moon.
Life is a little tougher for a "darksider" because there is little support in the production of reproduction parts.
Still, us "darksiders" forge ahead with our restorations with used or NOS parts when we can find them.
I started this thread so that we can identify ourselves to each other, and share as much information as possible.
I would appreciate it if everyone who owns a 61-70 full size car would post a pic of it and tell us a little about it.
I will start it off by showing my 63 Dynamic 88 Holiday 2 door. I bought it 3 years ago out of NM . It's in 10,000 pieces right now. But I'm doing it Johnny Cash style. "One piece at a time".
August 30th, 2014, 04:06 PM
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More pics.
The brake and clutch pedals are Pontiac. ( A "green spring" HD unit.)
They stack up pretty close to the stock unit. Plan is to graft part of the stock pedal hanger onto the Poncho unit , to make sure that the dash/column is supported.
The linkage and "Z" bar will have to be fabricated. Yes, , It's gonna be a 4 speed car!
The brake and clutch pedals are Pontiac. ( A "green spring" HD unit.)
They stack up pretty close to the stock unit. Plan is to graft part of the stock pedal hanger onto the Poncho unit , to make sure that the dash/column is supported.
The linkage and "Z" bar will have to be fabricated. Yes, , It's gonna be a 4 speed car!
August 31st, 2014, 10:17 AM
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Yep, it rained last night. I either have to knock some drywall out, or remove the bumpers, lol! I know I sure have had my share of Camaro's and Chevelles, but it's pretty nice to have something you don't see all the time, that you don't have to wrap up 50 grand in to be decent and different.
And, while I'll probably catch some flack for this, I don't really consider a car with 90% new sheetmetal restored. Somewhere the craftsmanship of restoration got replaced by a catalog.
And, while I'll probably catch some flack for this, I don't really consider a car with 90% new sheetmetal restored. Somewhere the craftsmanship of restoration got replaced by a catalog.
August 31st, 2014, 10:49 AM
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Well I guess I fit in here as I'm rebuilding a 62 super 88 wagon and using my 62 starfire as a parts car (frame and floors gone). I'm also rebuilding a 63 98 convertible (frame off ) and have a 63 98 custom sports coupe in antique rose that is finished and a 63 98 midnight mist convertible that we restored 24 years ago.
When I get the photos I'll post them up.
Steve
When I get the photos I'll post them up.
Steve
August 31st, 2014, 02:17 PM
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A picture of my 66 Delta with factory 4spd nd Sfire option engine. The car is pretty much all original, never restored and it is showing its age. I bought it in 1981 for 700 dollars. It is a great. driving car.
August 31st, 2014, 06:16 PM
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September 2nd, 2014, 05:46 PM
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Seriously, There probably are only maybe a couple of thousand of this model in existance in the world.
64 Chevys got saved. Olds, not so much.
Convertibles and 2 dr.hardtops got saved. Four doors not so much.
September 5th, 2014, 05:02 AM
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hi charlie
yep i think you are right , so there are only a few thousand about , gee well it sure beats being like everyone in oz and owner a 57 chev or 80's corvette and mustang, so this is why parts for this olds is bloody hard to find ...i thought gettin parts for my mid 60's ramblers was tuff ....this 64 olds is tuffer
, ...nobody in oz can every help , and even lookin on derbay is tuff , lucky my car is in great nic... ps my brother also owns a 66 olds coupe 98 , great car original and on the road..
yep i think you are right , so there are only a few thousand about , gee well it sure beats being like everyone in oz and owner a 57 chev or 80's corvette and mustang, so this is why parts for this olds is bloody hard to find ...i thought gettin parts for my mid 60's ramblers was tuff ....this 64 olds is tuffer
, ...nobody in oz can every help , and even lookin on derbay is tuff , lucky my car is in great nic... ps my brother also owns a 66 olds coupe 98 , great car original and on the road..
September 7th, 2014, 08:47 AM
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September 7th, 2014, 11:00 AM
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Olds produced a total of 53,517 98 4-doors (Town Sedans, Holiday Sedans, and Luxury Sedans) in 1964. Of these, 11,380 were Town Sedans (pillared as opposed to hardtop) like the one aussie has. Typical survival rates are about 1% after 25 years, so, in 1989, it might have been reasonable to assume that maybe 100 or so of these were still in existence. After another 25 years? Who knows. Numbers tend to level off after 25 years as the examples still on the road are typically no longer being used as daily drivers but rather are being saved as collector cars. So maybe 50 to 100 1964 98 Town Sedans are still alive and running somewhere on the planet. But it's certainly not thousands. Heck, total survival numbers for 98 4-doors of all types is likely not more than a few hundred.
September 7th, 2014, 12:31 PM
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Mine is a couple of years older than what this thread is calling for, but maybe it qualifies on size alone, cause they don't come much larger than this at over 20.5 feet long on a 146" wb.
This '59 Dynamic 88 (with Super 88 trim) was converted by the Comet Coach Co. in Blytheville, AR from a stock 2 door sedan. I recently had it shipped to Rochester, MN for the annual Professional Car Society meet, where it took 1st in the funeral coach class, as well as funeral director's choice award and long distance trailered award.
This car is the only '59 Comet Olds landau funeral coach still known to exist.
This '59 Dynamic 88 (with Super 88 trim) was converted by the Comet Coach Co. in Blytheville, AR from a stock 2 door sedan. I recently had it shipped to Rochester, MN for the annual Professional Car Society meet, where it took 1st in the funeral coach class, as well as funeral director's choice award and long distance trailered award.
This car is the only '59 Comet Olds landau funeral coach still known to exist.
September 7th, 2014, 07:54 PM
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I'm in and would love to join the darkside club . I got my 63 Starfire, a couple of years ago, from the original owers, that are my next door neighbours. It was parked for 25 years before I got the car from them. They were saving it for their grandchildren, but they all declined and they all said that I would be a best caretaker of the car. I take the original owners for rides in the car and you cannot wipe the smiles from their faces for a week. Also, my wife and teenage daughters really enjoy cruising topless.
September 8th, 2014, 09:49 AM
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Charlie, sign me up. It seems most of my life I've had "Darkside" cars - either before they became popular (musclecars in the late 70s) or ones that were never that popular. The big Oldsmobiles have always been my favorite and I have owned many - Jetstars, 88s, 98s, Toronados, and now my 63 Starfire. We need to keep them on the road and educate the masses!
September 9th, 2014, 02:05 AM
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that little around
Unlikely that there are thousands. Probably more like a few hundred.
Olds produced a total of 53,517 98 4-doors (Town Sedans, Holiday Sedans, and Luxury Sedans) in 1964. Of these, 11,380 were Town Sedans (pillared as opposed to hardtop) like the one aussie has. Typical survival rates are about 1% after 25 years, so, in 1989, it might have been reasonable to assume that maybe 100 or so of these were still in existence. After another 25 years? Who knows. Numbers tend to level off after 25 years as the examples still on the road are typically no longer being used as daily drivers but rather are being saved as collector cars. So maybe 50 to 100 1964 98 Town Sedans are still alive and running somewhere on the planet. But it's certainly not thousands. Heck, total survival numbers for 98 4-doors of all types is likely not more than a few hundred.
Olds produced a total of 53,517 98 4-doors (Town Sedans, Holiday Sedans, and Luxury Sedans) in 1964. Of these, 11,380 were Town Sedans (pillared as opposed to hardtop) like the one aussie has. Typical survival rates are about 1% after 25 years, so, in 1989, it might have been reasonable to assume that maybe 100 or so of these were still in existence. After another 25 years? Who knows. Numbers tend to level off after 25 years as the examples still on the road are typically no longer being used as daily drivers but rather are being saved as collector cars. So maybe 50 to 100 1964 98 Town Sedans are still alive and running somewhere on the planet. But it's certainly not thousands. Heck, total survival numbers for 98 4-doors of all types is likely not more than a few hundred.
geeeeeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz so wot you are trying to say that there are bugger all of the 64 98 that survived!!! unbelivable
...i dont know if i should be happy cause my car is now "rare"
...or cry cause thier all been made into into small chinese/ korean/jap"lawn mowers" that now grace our highways....
September 9th, 2014, 06:24 AM
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There is some variation based on body style/brand/etc. For example, the survival rate for Chevrolet Corvettes is probably considerably higher than Olds 98 four-doors or your "typical" daily driver vehicle from back in the day, but that's because people generally regard Corvettes as collectible from the moment they come off the assembly line, and they save them. That's not the case for most cars.
Also, a greater percentage of convertibles has been saved over the years, again because people like convertibles.
September 9th, 2014, 08:07 AM
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Unfortunately Jaunty75 is probably right. The cars that sold the most back in the day - 4-doors and station wagons - were also the least wanted when they got older. The convertibles and two door hardtops were saved and restored and guess what the parts cars were? I've always loved old big car station wagons, try and find a mid 60s Olds 88 or 98 wagon today! And if you are lucky enough to have one good luck finding parts for it.
September 9th, 2014, 08:21 AM
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September 9th, 2014, 09:12 AM
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What is a "uk" mile per gallon? I thought miles were the same length everywhere. Except for nautical miles, but that's for travel on the seas.
According to Wikipedia, the "international mile," which is used in the U.S. and the U.K. among many other countries, is 1,609.344 meters. This comes out to be exactly 5280 feet, or 1 mile.
According to Wikipedia, the "international mile," which is used in the U.S. and the U.K. among many other countries, is 1,609.344 meters. This comes out to be exactly 5280 feet, or 1 mile.
