Barrett Jackson Gripe
#1
Barrett Jackson Gripe
Okay, it's time again for wall to wall coverage of Barrett Jackson on Speed.
And again I wonder, do they have anything else besides mid year Corvettes, early Camaros and Boss/Mach 1 Mustangs? I mean it's getting OLD seeing the same type of cars cross the block night after night. Please tell me there are other makes/models represented here? Gr-r-r-r-r!
And again I wonder, do they have anything else besides mid year Corvettes, early Camaros and Boss/Mach 1 Mustangs? I mean it's getting OLD seeing the same type of cars cross the block night after night. Please tell me there are other makes/models represented here? Gr-r-r-r-r!
#6
I've seen some nice Olds cross the block. Very few and far between. But I'm guessing they are either covering what they know is going to bring the big $$$ or they are showing the mainstream cars that mainstream America loves.
#7
IIRC, last year there was a very nice very low mi high optioned correct '69 W-31 that got my attention.
Its just getting started now. The cars get nicer toward Sat/Sun.
I kinda focus on the A bodies. There will be a ton of Chevelles and this year I think a bunch of GTOs with a few Olds & maybe a Buick or two.
One of the reasons there are so many Chevelles (& to some extent GTOs & Mustangs) is the repro/aftermarket for these. You can build an entire '70 Chevelle starting with nothing but a VIN plate using aftermarket...
Also, remember that BJ is the TV/play-to-the-masses auction. Therefore they show what the masses want to see. Chevys & Fords. There are many other higher end auctions that have the more esoteric Olds, Buick, etc...
I wish I had a bunch of cash to play with. I see some of those not-so-popular, yet beautiful, 40's/50's cars go really cheap...
Last edited by Indy_68_S; January 22nd, 2010 at 07:18 AM.
#8
I think you have that backwards. There is more aftermaket support for the Chevies because way more were built and therefore there is much more of a market for parts. In the 60s, there were roughly ten times as many SS Chevelles and GTOs built as there were 442s. Even looking at base models, there were MANY more Chevies built and many more surviving now, thus the market.
#9
I think you have that backwards. There is more aftermaket support for the Chevies because way more were built and therefore there is much more of a market for parts. In the 60s, there were roughly ten times as many SS Chevelles and GTOs built as there were 442s. Even looking at base models, there were MANY more Chevies built and many more surviving now, thus the market.
With the popularity of Chevies/Ponchos, and the exploding A/M for these, there may come a day when there are actually more on the road than were originally built !
#10
I get it... more Chevys and Fords mean more restorations and a bigger audience for those cars. I was watching 2 nights ago and they had 5 Camaros in a row and then 5 Vettes in a row the next night. It would really be interesting to see how the TV ratings break down according to which cars are on the block. (sorta like putting blonde reporters on the local news to boost ratings) I guess I'll just try another auction like Silver and see if there's a difference.
#11
Ahhh, I see your point that the original production numbers drive the aftermarket. I didn't know that the ratio of SSs/GTOs to 442s was 10-1 ! I thought it was lower than that. Still, as the aftermarket grows, the more of the 'popular' cars are rebuilt. It kinda feeds on itself.
With the popularity of Chevies/Ponchos, and the exploding A/M for these, there may come a day when there are actually more on the road than were originally built !
With the popularity of Chevies/Ponchos, and the exploding A/M for these, there may come a day when there are actually more on the road than were originally built !
I get it... more Chevys and Fords mean more restorations and a bigger audience for those cars. I was watching 2 nights ago and they had 5 Camaros in a row and then 5 Vettes in a row the next night. It would really be interesting to see how the TV ratings break down according to which cars are on the block. (sorta like putting blonde reporters on the local news to boost ratings) I guess I'll just try another auction like Silver and see if there's a difference.
#12
Like my friend with Cadillacs says to me jokingly: "Cadillacs are expensive to buy and expensive to repair. An Oldsmobile is a very practical car for you"
We can always look at the Chevs and nod our head knowingly, maybe a little wink of the eye, and say "Oldsmobiles are expensive to buy and expensive to repair. A Chevy must be a very practical car for you"
Ironically, the Chevys are more $$$ for a lesser (IMHO) car
Given the choice since I was I don't know maybe 5 years old, I would ALWAYS choose an Oldsmobile.
Always.
We can always look at the Chevs and nod our head knowingly, maybe a little wink of the eye, and say "Oldsmobiles are expensive to buy and expensive to repair. A Chevy must be a very practical car for you"
Ironically, the Chevys are more $$$ for a lesser (IMHO) car
Given the choice since I was I don't know maybe 5 years old, I would ALWAYS choose an Oldsmobile.
Always.
Last edited by jeffreyalman; January 22nd, 2010 at 12:29 PM.
#13
Now if Barrett-Jackson could only take a hint.
#14
I'm no huge fan of B-J, but a positive way to look at it is if you're not seeing much of a particular brand/car roll across, then they are most likely more rare. So when they do, hopefully the money follows. I believe Olds looked pretty good last night. A beautiful '71 442 convert went for $95k (and to Ron Pratt - so that's interesting) and a '66 tri power 442 went for $121K.
Mopars used to be few and far between too, then demand skyrocketed and so did prices...and that was done mostly by B-J and others.
Mopars used to be few and far between too, then demand skyrocketed and so did prices...and that was done mostly by B-J and others.
#15
Okay, it's time again for wall to wall coverage of Barrett Jackson on Speed.
And again I wonder, do they have anything else besides mid year Corvettes, early Camaros and Boss/Mach 1 Mustangs? I mean it's getting OLD seeing the same type of cars cross the block night after night. Please tell me there are other makes/models represented here? Gr-r-r-r-r!
And again I wonder, do they have anything else besides mid year Corvettes, early Camaros and Boss/Mach 1 Mustangs? I mean it's getting OLD seeing the same type of cars cross the block night after night. Please tell me there are other makes/models represented here? Gr-r-r-r-r!
#16
If you go to their web site, big reason there aren't any olds' being shown is because there just aren't many there....But like you said, the few that have been there, seem to be nice!
#17
Kurt, let me know what those mags are? Here in NY, NO mags for Olds...I didn't think they made anymore!
#18
Last time I checked, they auction the cars that people consign to them. It's not like 1,000 Oldsmobiles showed up and B-J turned them away at the door in favor of more Chevelles or something....
Terry
Terry
#19
There's a complete list of cars for the auction at www.barrett-jackson.com. I was pleasently surprised to see that three 57 Olds are up for sale - 2 convertables and a Fiesta station wagon.
#20
Well, this is not exactly precise. B-J picks/chooses which cars it will permit to cross the auction block. Yes, it picks/chooses from the available pool, but the mere fact you have a car, and the bucks to pay the requisite fees does not guarantee that your car will be selected to be in the auction.
#21
To put it in perspective, how does it sound if an AMC guy make similar remarks about lack of exposure? Seems pretty obvious that the lower production numbers pretty well explain that.
BJ is not there as a service to the car hobby (and they're not), and they have no interest or intention to be fair to any marque. Why should they? They are there to sell cars and make money. That should be quite obvious.
Joe P has already said they do more harm than good to the car hobby and again, I think that should be painfully obvious.
Contrary, it seems, to most peoples opinion here, I think the least exposure and lowest prices in BJ's automotive cesspool is the best thing possible for Oldsmobiles. I believe one needs to gets past the initial feelgood one gets when they see Oldsmobiles get high prices, and realize all the damage it does. "About time Oldsmobiles get some respect" is the comment I hear, but nothing could be farther from the truth.
#22
Contrary, it seems, to most peoples opinion here, I think the least exposure and lowest prices in BJ's automotive cesspool is the best thing possible for Oldsmobiles. I believe one needs to gets past the initial feelgood one gets when they see Oldsmobiles get high prices, and realize all the damage it does. "About time Oldsmobiles get some respect" is the comment I hear, but nothing could be farther from the truth.
engineering and design wise,those cars are the biggest pieces of junk made.
i don't believe there is one hemi Cuda out there with the original motor,these cars were made to blow up.
#24
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#25
HMM is a joke. Everyone thinks they give Olds equal time but I have every issue and theres not been a 65, 67, 68, or 69 442 featured in the 7 years they have been in circulation. They used to try to give equal coverage, now its all Hemi this and BOSS that.
Just a few issues ago the cover tag was Living With HEMI, whats it really like. WHO GIVES A ****! We all know whats its like since every magazine has told us the same story for the last 20 years. My senile grandmother knows what a Hemi is and its detailed history, how many in the know car guys have any idea what a 65-67 442 is? Besides the "fact" that it has a 442 ci engine.
#26
Contrary, it seems, to most peoples opinion here, I think the least exposure and lowest prices in BJ's automotive cesspool is the best thing possible for Oldsmobiles. I believe one needs to gets past the initial feelgood one gets when they see Oldsmobiles get high prices, and realize all the damage it does. "About time Oldsmobiles get some respect" is the comment I hear, but nothing could be farther from the truth.
DING DING DING. We do not want our cars to get popular, then prices go up, parts get even harder to find, and guys that dont truey love Oldsmobiles buy them because its the cool thing to do. I love my car, its a part of who I am. How many 69 Camaro owners truely feel this way. It cant be many because there is 200 of them for sale in Arizona right now.
#27
Hey, all I'm asking for is a little variety here. I've walked the grounds at Westworld and know what cars B-J has. I just dont want to see 5 of anything in a row, it's boring coverage and bad TV. C'mon Speed mIx it up!
p.s. It's okay to cheer for the occasional Olds too! Not all restorations are created equal and the market will bear that out. If a W-30 or H/O commands big bucks, then they must be done right and worth every penny. Everyone here has dreamed of a big payoff for their project car.
After all, it's why our wives let us spend $$$ on parts and restoration.
p.s. It's okay to cheer for the occasional Olds too! Not all restorations are created equal and the market will bear that out. If a W-30 or H/O commands big bucks, then they must be done right and worth every penny. Everyone here has dreamed of a big payoff for their project car.
After all, it's why our wives let us spend $$$ on parts and restoration.
#28
I don't watch those auctions. Haven't in a few years. Those who participate can do their thing and I will do mine. Even though I don't watch, I did hear about a couple cars that sold at Scottsdale; a friend sent me the following auction link:
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/appli...&aid=304&pop=1
I happen to appreciate these cars, since I own a Buick Lesabre T-type. But 20K?!
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/appli...&aid=304&pop=1
I happen to appreciate these cars, since I own a Buick Lesabre T-type. But 20K?!
#29
hey now don't go trashing Mopars.. as an avid Mopar guy i can say that there motors are some of the best built. I own a 426 Hemi roadrunner and the engine is ALL original. I have seen many with original engines in Cudas. this is an Olds forum i know but mopars were some of the best cars built and revolusionazed the racing field, engine, and body styles. But besides from the point you are all right about the good things of no Oldsmobiles on Barett Jackson. Do not let the rich get ahold of these cars or they will be ruined just as the Mopars were!!!
#32
I DVR the BJ show. I think I watched 6 hours worth in about half an hour. Lots of fluff. Good to see that 442 go for over 200k. A friend of mine has 4 of these w-30 4 speed converts. (Musclecar Enthusiast July, 2008) I bet he's happy.
Last edited by z11375ss; January 24th, 2010 at 10:37 AM.
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#35
Yes their engines were revolutionary and made history but the wrappers around them were pure junk. So much so Chrysler went bankrupt because everyone knew what piles they were.
#36
sorry but all these things like barret-jackson, hot rod power tour, and good guys, etc will always only have a limited number of Oldsmobiles. It is just a fact that being an olds person will always have to deal with. Does it suck.......yes. but it's a fact.
Hell we can't get a lot of olds in hot rod or even musclecar mag.
Its a shame being such a great car, the best in my book, it gets over looked soooooo much.
Hell we can't get a lot of olds in hot rod or even musclecar mag.
Its a shame being such a great car, the best in my book, it gets over looked soooooo much.
#37
Allan, my car is appraised for $100,000.....if it has $75,000 in the trunk. My friend has a 1970 442 W30 Conv Auto, a 1969 442 W30 Conv. 4spd,coming off a ground up, a 1969 Hurst/Olds and has a luxury condo looking over a man made lake in Scottsdale, so he's there now. Last time he was there he bought a 1962 Corvette 4 spd roadster. He just bought a 1969 Camaro Rs SS 302 4 spd. Who knows what he'll come home with this time. I'm trying to see if I see him on TV.
#38
[. Hate to see our northern neighbors have good cars or empty VIN's exported in the name of high-value, sounds familiar. Best - CW[/quote]
I think this requires a little more explanation. I know that GM Canada kept records that the U.S. division did not but what does that have to do with having good cars. Do you consider them better if they can be documented?
maybe it's that they are of higher value? To me a car that has the same options and in the same condition would be equal no matter where it came from.
I think this requires a little more explanation. I know that GM Canada kept records that the U.S. division did not but what does that have to do with having good cars. Do you consider them better if they can be documented?
maybe it's that they are of higher value? To me a car that has the same options and in the same condition would be equal no matter where it came from.
#39
I really would like to know how horrible my cars are, really...
Tell me about how bad the rust is on my ALL original 72 Satellite wagon, that mind you was a work horse... How many here have original 72 oldses with this little rust? (Not an attack on anyone, please don't take it that way)
How about the horrible original 318 that has no issues, the torquefilght that not only is all original but is so after all the miles driven with the car loaded down with people and luggage, toy trains, and a 4000 lbs camper loaded with MORE trains and luggage, and the entire rest of the tin can vehicle?
How about my dad's 60 Plymouth? With the indestructible slant 6 and a torqueflight backing that up... By far, the most enjoyable car we own to drive. I truthfully enjoy driving that more than my olds, or my wagon. With the /6 it isn't the fastest but it moves enough to make it an enjoyable easy to drive cruiser... That's apparently a piece of crap with horrible engineering...
Bens1960PlymouthAtQuickChekCruiseNi.jpg
I understand this is an olds forum, and not everyone likes all brands. I personally am not a ford guy, I think many of their designs are not the greatest but they still have stood the test of time. I'd like you to ask the same question about the # of 57-59 mopars around on this site.
www.forwardlook.net/forums
Now here's a question for you, how many 57-59 ANYTHING have you seen at a show lately, aside from tri5 chevies which they made about 9 bazillion of?
Tell me about how bad the rust is on my ALL original 72 Satellite wagon, that mind you was a work horse... How many here have original 72 oldses with this little rust? (Not an attack on anyone, please don't take it that way)
How about the horrible original 318 that has no issues, the torquefilght that not only is all original but is so after all the miles driven with the car loaded down with people and luggage, toy trains, and a 4000 lbs camper loaded with MORE trains and luggage, and the entire rest of the tin can vehicle?
How about my dad's 60 Plymouth? With the indestructible slant 6 and a torqueflight backing that up... By far, the most enjoyable car we own to drive. I truthfully enjoy driving that more than my olds, or my wagon. With the /6 it isn't the fastest but it moves enough to make it an enjoyable easy to drive cruiser... That's apparently a piece of crap with horrible engineering...
Bens1960PlymouthAtQuickChekCruiseNi.jpg
I understand this is an olds forum, and not everyone likes all brands. I personally am not a ford guy, I think many of their designs are not the greatest but they still have stood the test of time. I'd like you to ask the same question about the # of 57-59 mopars around on this site.
www.forwardlook.net/forums
Now here's a question for you, how many 57-59 ANYTHING have you seen at a show lately, aside from tri5 chevies which they made about 9 bazillion of?