vickycar

guys i noticed this 67 cutlass 442 convertible on ebay today and there is a numerous amount of pictures to look at. a side from the stripping being totally incorrect it looks pretty much like a 442 from under carriage up. but looking at pic of cowl tag, do not see 5v on tag just 5y. can the experts chime in on this ,i was lead to believe no v no 442. if that's the case someone did a lot of work cloning. THOUGHTS???

scottv442

i thought the 'V' stood for 4spd. trans only?
442 that year could be automatics too.

joe_padavano

All 1967 442s EXCEPT those built at Fremont got the 5V cowl tag code. Fremont for some reason did not use that code. Unfortunately, that means that there are now about ten times as many Fremont-built 442s as were actually made. Unfortunately, unless you post a link to the auction, it's difficult to give you thoughts on the car in question.

hurst68olds

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1967-442/26...7:pf:0&vxp=mtr

this one? "CLONE" was 330 4bbl automatic

vickycar

yes that's the one, good job clone

lemoldsnut

This tag clearly has the code for ST300 trans which did not come in 67 442 and to be a numbers matching car it has a 4 speed. and the wrong air cleaner. It is nice but, a clone.

joe_padavano

I'd like to know what numbers "match" on a 67 anyway...

hurst68olds

joe_padavano

If you're lucky...

edzolz

No matter how nice it is, someone is going to get screwed thinking they have bought a real 442 with "matching numbers".

66-3X2 442

I have a numbers matching 66 442 3x2. The vin matches the protecto plate,the protecto plate has the engine ID # that matches the engine/head in the car.

joe_padavano

I KNEW someone would post this...

You and I know that, but I guarantee this seller (and most people) have no idea what a P-O-P is. Do you really think the ebay car has a P-O-P?

66-3X2 442

That wasn't the question. You said what does numbers matching mean on a 67 and I just answered your question. Just havin a little fun.

joe_padavano

I know.

Here's another example. Per the P-O-P, my 67 Delta is "numbers matching", despite the fact that the engine is a 1969 455. The only engine part that's original to the car is the passenger side cylinder head.

66-3X2 442

Special order I guess.

68442

What does the 5Y represent?

joe_padavano

The 67-older cowl tags had five "groups" for Fisher Body accessory codes. The "5" represents Group 5 (note that the "1" for Group 1 accessories was left off on those). The V represents RPO W-29. The Y represents deluxe seat belts.

On that particular cowl tag, the "W" is really a Group 1 W, which represents tinted windshield.
The "2XG" represents Group 2 X - floor shifter for automatic trans and Group 2 - G for console.

Obviously this car is not a factory built four speed, nor is it a factory built 442.

Kennybill

Car did not meet the reserve.

joe_padavano

No, actually the seller ended the auction claiming that the listing was in error and relisted it with new info. The "matching numbers" claim is gone and the ad now says " *L78 442 PACKAGE(ADDED) ". Apparently the seller either reads CO or someone else called BS.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1967-442-/2...d=264157161954

ts71442

Car was purchased at Mecum Kissimmee a few weeks ago for $34,100 including buyers premium. Looks like a dealer did not pay enough attention to what he bought!

https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0119-35...2-convertible/

Kennybill

Hmmm "numbers matching 350hp 4-speed" says it right across the windshield. That must be an optical decal package.

joe_padavano

Well, someone's going to be sadly disappointed...

That "original drivetrain" should have had an open element air cleaner on a 4spd car. The aftermarket small diameter brake booster is also an issue. The dash pad has obviously been painted, since it doesn't match the glovebox in color or gloss. And a factory M21 car would have come with a 3.91 rear axle.

joe_padavano

Previously the auction title said "numbers matching". Now it doesn't. Obviously he just reused the same photos.