Why so many different A-Body Export KPH speedometers?
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Why so many different A-Body Export KPH speedometers?
Let me just throw this out here and see what anyone knows about this. I have pictures here of three different A-body speedometers, all export cars destined for different areas.
The first picture is a car destined for Canada with a speedometer that reads up to 200 KPH which roughly equates to about 120 MPH.
The second picture is a car in Germany (that I imagine was shipped through the Bienne GM Facility in Switzerland) which has a 240 KPM speedometer which roughly equates to about 150 MPH.
The third picture is a car that was definitely shipped through the Bienne GM Facility in Switzerland, for a customer in France, which has a 270 KPH speedometer, which roughly equates to 165 MPH.
Does anybody have any input on why there are so many variables?
The first picture is a car destined for Canada with a speedometer that reads up to 200 KPH which roughly equates to about 120 MPH.
The second picture is a car in Germany (that I imagine was shipped through the Bienne GM Facility in Switzerland) which has a 240 KPM speedometer which roughly equates to about 150 MPH.
The third picture is a car that was definitely shipped through the Bienne GM Facility in Switzerland, for a customer in France, which has a 270 KPH speedometer, which roughly equates to 165 MPH.
Does anybody have any input on why there are so many variables?
#4
Well the first pic looks to be in a 1970 due to the burlwood dash. The second I would guess is a 73-75. And the third is a 71-72.
My question is why is the 60 orange on the last one? That's roughly 37 MPH or so...an odd speed to highlight.
My question is why is the 60 orange on the last one? That's roughly 37 MPH or so...an odd speed to highlight.
#6
Of course, the bigger question is, why? To impress the uneducated? Kind of worthless to have a gauge where you can only use half the sweep. All that means is that the resolution is worse at the speeds that you drive at. This is Instrumentation 101. I frankly have this problem with aftermarket tachs. Why should I buy a tach with 0-9000 or 0-10000 sweep when I rarely need more than 5000 RPM? I wanted a nice tach for my engine run stand, but I'm not running the engine over 2500 RPM during cam break-in. A nine grand tach is worthless, especially since many new ones now have a non-linear scale that has less resolution at lower RPMs.
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The third one is an early built 71 442 with a date of 9A on the data plate. Still has some 70 parts like flat top fenders and water neck.
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Just an Olds Guy
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I remember this one. Canada road speeds didn't go metric till around 1976\7 and when the highway speed signs changed from 60 mph to 100 km/hr (which is actually faster) etc GM put a big push onto the dealers to sell the speedometer conversions. They basically were a vinyl overlay that went over top of the existing speedometer. To see one here now is relatively rare, and obviously not as issued by the factory. I remember my Dad buying a 76 Malibu Classic and the speedo was still MPH but had KM/HR in blue numbers under the MPH
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I remember this one. Canada road speeds didn't go metric till around 1976\7 and when the highway speed signs changed from 60 mph to 100 km/hr (which is actually faster) etc GM put a big push onto the dealers to sell the speedometer conversions. They basically were a vinyl overlay that went over top of the existing speedometer. To see one here now is relatively rare, and obviously not as issued by the factory. I remember my Dad buying a 76 Malibu Classic and the speedo was still MPH but had KM/HR in blue numbers under the MPH
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I can see the German speedo being what it is likely due to legislation for a metric speedo. Since their autobahn allows for insane speeds in some sections but on average it only allows 130 km/hr, but the one for 270 doesn't make any sense. It looks to me more like someone created a sticker and colored in that 60 KM/HR.
I googled French speed limits and they mimic Germany very closely so the need for 270 isn't practical. Another thing to ponder is how would anyone expect a 1970-72 Cutlass to ever achieve those speed limits??? BTW, I find that 1970 speedo with the speedminder set at 155 kind of ridiculous. If you're going that fast, you'd know it because you'd be doing close to 100 mph and the engine would definitely be telling you that and the fuel gauge would likely be easy to see as a steady movement towards empty.
I googled French speed limits and they mimic Germany very closely so the need for 270 isn't practical. Another thing to ponder is how would anyone expect a 1970-72 Cutlass to ever achieve those speed limits??? BTW, I find that 1970 speedo with the speedminder set at 155 kind of ridiculous. If you're going that fast, you'd know it because you'd be doing close to 100 mph and the engine would definitely be telling you that and the fuel gauge would likely be easy to see as a steady movement towards empty.
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Looks good but still speeds are over rated IMO. 240 Km/hr = 150 mph which I seriously doubt any stock Cutlass will do.
Nice job on the restoration Scott. What would be really cool is to find the stickers for the 1/10's mph and make them crisp and white again.
Nice job on the restoration Scott. What would be really cool is to find the stickers for the 1/10's mph and make them crisp and white again.
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So if you had a cutlass with a 455 and 2.56 gears, I think it would easily do 150 mph. Would it be stable? Most likely not, but it could do it.
#16
Well....I had a 1980 cutlass up to roughly 142 mph (calculated). That was with a completely stock 1975 350 and a 2.28 rear end. The engine was turning about 4250 rpm. At 100 mph it was turning 3000 rpm.
So if you had a cutlass with a 455 and 2.56 gears, I think it would easily do 150 mph. Would it be stable? Most likely not, but it could do it.
So if you had a cutlass with a 455 and 2.56 gears, I think it would easily do 150 mph. Would it be stable? Most likely not, but it could do it.
Roger.
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Roger.
#18
Yes, that is the Safety Sentinel Speedometer, U15, I think. Set the white needle where you want, and there is a spring contact on it that follows along. When the speedo needle sweeps by, the spring will get rotated and send power to a buzzer on the printed circuit which will sound until you either drop speed or adjust it higher.
#19
I had a 455 in a 70 with 2.56 gears an I have no doubt that it would have done 150. I never tried because the suspension needed a ton of work to be safe at high speeds.
#20
So your estimate of 150 is based on what, exactly? Your butt dyno?
Sorry, but not very compelling proof.
I had a 68 Vista with a transplanted 425 and 2.73 gears. It maxed out at 121 indicated. The aerodynamic drag force is about 50% greater at 150.
Sorry, but not very compelling proof.
I had a 68 Vista with a transplanted 425 and 2.73 gears. It maxed out at 121 indicated. The aerodynamic drag force is about 50% greater at 150.
#21
Thanks Allan,
The numbers & letters are silk screened? or lightly painted on the face of the speedo, Any vigorous attempts to wipe dirt or rub dust off of them will remove the white paint. This one had small rust specks all over the face & I had to do some thinkin' to get it clean but it did turn out as nice as it could be.
#23
I would bet that it was actually more aerodynamic than my 80 was due to the rear glass design and I was able to reach about 142 with the 80.
I would be very shocked if the 70 wouldn't do that with 250+ more horsepower and gobs more torque.
#24
I hear what you're saying but that is not the case here. That speedometer clearly has that # "60" and its "marker" marked in Red for a reason. Whatever the reason is, is beyond my guessing ability. I still don't understand why there are three different ones in almost the same year.
#25
A 1971 W-30 supposedly purchased new by someone at U.S. Embassy in England. It has a 200 KPH speedometer.
https://classicoldsmobile.com/forums/general-discussion/34434-1971-442-w30-export-model-england-uk.html#&gid=1&pid=2
https://classicoldsmobile.com/forums/general-discussion/34434-1971-442-w30-export-model-england-uk.html#&gid=1&pid=2
#26
I have the same 200 KPH speedo as the thread starter has in the first picture, and as the US embassy car has in the post above mine. The speedo came out of a 71 Supreme from Holland. I have the import tag from the inner fender somewhere.
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A 1971 W-30 supposedly purchased new by someone at U.S. Embassy in England. It has a 200 KPH speedometer.
https://classicoldsmobile.com/forums...l#&gid=1&pid=2
https://classicoldsmobile.com/forums...l#&gid=1&pid=2
Roger.
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I hear what you're saying but that is not the case here. That speedometer clearly has that # "60" and its "marker" marked in Red for a reason. Whatever the reason is, is beyond my guessing ability. I still don't understand why there are three different ones in almost the same year.
It was reduced to 50 km/h somewhere in the 80´s.
#31
That tag is a VIN / Body Tag, affixed to the vehicle indicating it's overseas life originated from the Suisse S.A. General Motors Assembly Plant in Switzerland. I am unaware of the actual level of processing (if any), it has gone through in that assembly plant due to the fact that the car was manufactured in Lansing for export. It may have well been just a safety inspection to check for conformance with foreign safety requirements. I would like to see a picture of the cowl tag on the car that has this VIN plate affixed to it.
#32
Here's a few pictures. '71 350/350 Supreme non-AC car, rear defog (the wires in the rear window, not the blower motor), power windows and four-way electric seat. FE-2 suspension.
Last edited by Seff; October 10th, 2018 at 11:17 AM.
#33
Is it possible for you to show a picture of the body tag located on the firewall near the windshield? The tag I showed was very similarly optioned, Non AC, wired rear defroster, power windows and 4 way bucket seat.
Last edited by asx455; October 10th, 2018 at 01:12 PM.
#35
Interesting to know the conversion speedometer exists. As said 76/77 is when we switched, our old 75 Cutlass growing up was mph, as is my 70S. Most of the cars we owned were dual, usually Km/hr on top and mph on the bottom. I have to remind the kids my car is in mph, a speedo conversion would be handy.
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