"Snakes Alive" Tubular Aujtomotiver Headers
May 28th, 2015, 08:57 AM
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"Snakes Alive" Tubular Aujtomotiver Headers
1st pictures I actually saw of the headers in detail.
Tubular Automotive style.
Tubular Automotive style.
Last edited by Oldsmaniac; May 28th, 2015 at 11:49 AM. Reason: spelling
May 28th, 2015, 11:04 AM
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when i was a kid..those where called 180 degree headers..the work by controlling the exhaust pulse
they where on high end race cars that could rev...if youve never heard them...those would make a Olds motor sound very distinct and very cool...
never saw them for an olds..usually just chevys like in a Chaparral cars and that type of all out racer and exotics..usually, they go over the engine because they have the room on mid engine
cant imagine what they cost back in the day
they where on high end race cars that could rev...if youve never heard them...those would make a Olds motor sound very distinct and very cool...
never saw them for an olds..usually just chevys like in a Chaparral cars and that type of all out racer and exotics..usually, they go over the engine because they have the room on mid engine
cant imagine what they cost back in the day
May 28th, 2015, 06:46 PM
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Yup, those are 180° headers, used to be the thing to do in stock cars in the 70's and 80's. They make a real hi pitch whine. Sounds like your turning 10,000 RPM when your about 7200. Don't know anything about drag cars, but some Smokey Yunick type guy has tried them. Pretty neat, think I'd have to see if they could be made to fit.
May 28th, 2015, 07:18 PM
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that incredible whine those race Ferrari's have are in part, due to the 180 headers...on N/A cars
ive heard them on chevies and they sound like a ferrari,...not exactly but really weird...and cool at the same time....can you imagine them on a 302 Z motor or a K-code 289 that would zing to the sky....
i want a set...but have nothing that could use them...
ive heard them on chevies and they sound like a ferrari,...not exactly but really weird...and cool at the same time....can you imagine them on a 302 Z motor or a K-code 289 that would zing to the sky....
i want a set...but have nothing that could use them...
May 29th, 2015, 10:44 AM
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Yep, but in my eyes they are wall art or necessary for someone restoring a vintage stocker and I do know a guy who probably needs these but the headers are too far away for me to get and have gotten no reply from seller. These require a car to be lifted as they will be extremely low and would not work well because of that on a street cruiser... they appear to be solid and not beat up!
May 29th, 2015, 12:45 PM
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Yup, those are 180° headers, used to be the thing to do in stock cars in the 70's and 80's. They make a real hi pitch whine. Sounds like your turning 10,000 RPM when your about 7200. Don't know anything about drag cars, but some Smokey Yunick type guy has tried them. Pretty neat, think I'd have to see if they could be made to fit.
The problem with normal headers is that with the 1-8-4-3-6-5-7-2 firing order, cylinders 8-4 and 5-7 put consecutive pulses into the same header. The concept behind the 180 deg headers is that every consecutive pulse fires into the other header to balance exhaust flow.
May 29th, 2015, 10:31 PM
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Yep, but in my eyes they are wall art or necessary for someone restoring a vintage stocker and I do know a guy who probably needs these but the headers are too far away for me to get and have gotten no reply from seller. These require a car to be lifted as they will be extremely low and would not work well because of that on a street cruiser... they appear to be solid and not beat up!
July 11th, 2015, 04:31 AM
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They could be the headers from the 66 Brainbeau Olds racecar. I sent a link to the current owner and I'm not sure if he did anything with it or not. If they are indeed the ones,they need to be on that car that's being restored right now.
July 11th, 2015, 09:54 AM
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There is no way of knowing who's car they came from!
There are pictures of 66,67,68,69 cars running these headers,the 68 442 W30 car that set the class record at the time ran this style of header.
Pete Kost's 68 and 69 ran this style of header as well.
Yes they are rare
This set is going on my period correct 69 442 post bench stick retro stocker.
The car you speak of may already have a set of these headers, have you asked them.
Headers by Ed's , Hooker are also period correct headers as well as others.
July 11th, 2015, 12:21 PM
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Told him all he had to do was drop them off at Fatenal next time he visited the store, they were very nice people to deal with.
The store strapped them to a pallet with tie downs that I bought from them.
Fastenal is a great way to ship I have used them 5 times this year there number one in my book.
The store strapped them to a pallet with tie downs that I bought from them.
Fastenal is a great way to ship I have used them 5 times this year there number one in my book.
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July 11th, 2015, 02:32 PM
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July 11th, 2015, 08:02 PM
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These headers were used on 66 to 72 big block NHRA stock class cars.
There is no way of knowing who's car they came from!
There are pictures of 66,67,68,69 cars running these headers,the 68 442 W30 car that set the class record at the time ran this style of header.
Pete Kost's 68 and 69 ran this style of header as well.
Yes they are rare
This set is going on my period correct 69 442 post bench stick retro stocker.
The car you speak of may already have a set of these headers, have you asked them.
Headers by Ed's , Hooker are also period correct headers as well as others.
There is no way of knowing who's car they came from!
There are pictures of 66,67,68,69 cars running these headers,the 68 442 W30 car that set the class record at the time ran this style of header.
Pete Kost's 68 and 69 ran this style of header as well.
Yes they are rare
This set is going on my period correct 69 442 post bench stick retro stocker.
The car you speak of may already have a set of these headers, have you asked them.
Headers by Ed's , Hooker are also period correct headers as well as others.
October 15th, 2016, 05:57 PM
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So I was thinking about this today for some reason, and I have a question.
Olds fires: 1-8-4-3-6-5-7-2, and, for traditional pipes, that's
L-R-R-L-R-L-L-R, so you have two times, 8/4, and 5/7, where it's firing twice into the same cylinder.
I look at the above headers, and see that the pipes are made by sending the back 4 cylinders of the engine to the opposite side, so, originally 1,3,5,7 were L, 2,4,6,8 were R, but now 1,3,6,8 are L, and 2,4,5,7 are R.
Olds still being 1-8-4-3-6-5-7-2, that makes us L-L-R-L-L-R-R-R
As I read up on scavenging, I think the idea is to make four pulses into one collector, then four into the other, so, that means that 1-8-4-3-6-5-7-2 would need to be L-L-L-L-R-R-R-R, which means that cylinders 4 and 8 should go to the left under the engine, and 5 and 7 should go to the right.
Am I correct in thinking that the above headers should not be symmetrical like they are and that cylinder 4 should be crossing over, not 6?
Olds fires: 1-8-4-3-6-5-7-2, and, for traditional pipes, that's
L-R-R-L-R-L-L-R, so you have two times, 8/4, and 5/7, where it's firing twice into the same cylinder.
I look at the above headers, and see that the pipes are made by sending the back 4 cylinders of the engine to the opposite side, so, originally 1,3,5,7 were L, 2,4,6,8 were R, but now 1,3,6,8 are L, and 2,4,5,7 are R.
Olds still being 1-8-4-3-6-5-7-2, that makes us L-L-R-L-L-R-R-R
As I read up on scavenging, I think the idea is to make four pulses into one collector, then four into the other, so, that means that 1-8-4-3-6-5-7-2 would need to be L-L-L-L-R-R-R-R, which means that cylinders 4 and 8 should go to the left under the engine, and 5 and 7 should go to the right.
Am I correct in thinking that the above headers should not be symmetrical like they are and that cylinder 4 should be crossing over, not 6?
